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B_RAD
11-06-2010, 17:45
I went to my local gun store today to buy some reloading supplies but didn't, 'cause they were high on their prices! $35 for 1k Fed small pistol primers and $20 for 1lb jug of titegroup, as well as $110 for 1k for Berry's 147gr RN. I didn't buy anything, thinking I could get better prices online. So, I look at Midway and they say that there's a $25 hazmat fee and it'll ship in two weeks and will cost an additional $9.99 shipping. WTF? Why would anyone buy from them? Their prices were better but once you figure the extra feesit's over double the price.

XDRoX
11-06-2010, 17:52
I went to my local gun store today to buy some reloading supplies but didn't, 'cause they were high on their prices! $35 for 1k Fed small pistol primers and $20 for 1lb jug of titegroup, as well as $110 for 1k for Berry's 147gr RN. I didn't buy anything, thinking I could get better prices online. So, I look at Midway and they say that there's a $25 hazmat fee and it'll ship in two weeks and will cost an additional $9.99 shipping. WTF? Why would anyone buy from them? Their prices were better but once you figure the extra feesit's over double the price.

Midway is OK for some stuff, but not for powders and primers.
Check Graf's , Powder Valey, and Wideners.

Uncle Don
11-06-2010, 17:54
To each their own, but I haven't bought anything from Midway in at least 10 years. When they became fee and shipping happy, they lost me for good, no matter how much they may improve in the future.

XDRoX
11-06-2010, 17:57
BTW, in case you don't know you are going to have to pay a hazmat fee from where ever you're going to buy from. But midway will charge you two fees. One for the primers and one for the powder. The sites I just mentioned above will only charge you one.
In order to offset the hazmat fee you must order in bulk. Buy powder by the 8lb min and primers by the 5k.

PCJim
11-06-2010, 18:01
Brad, you will want to order both your powder and primers at the same time, and request a combined shipment. Otherwise, if one if out of stock, they will ship the in-stock and the out-of-stock when it finally arrives, and you'll pay for two hazmat fees.

dudel
11-06-2010, 18:18
That's because Midway drop ships from the powder maker. They had powder (albeit at a higher price) when others who keep a stock of powder did not. The separate hazmat fee due to one from the powder mfg to you; then another for the primers to you.

Places like Grafs, Midsouth, Powder Valley, etc who stock both powder and primer can combine the orders (unline Midway). They have better prices; but they don't always have the stuff you want in stock (Midway get's early picks). It's a tradeoff.

I can still get my powder locally for a good enough price, so I don't get involved in hazmat fees. Shop around locally, you might be in for a pleasant surprise.

RLDS45S
11-06-2010, 18:21
The reason that Midway has two haz mat fees is that they only stock primers and powder is drop shipped from another vendor. So there WILL BE NO combining of Haz Mat items via Midway.

B_RAD
11-06-2010, 18:25
Thanks everyone. I didn't know that. I'll just buy powder and primers locally. Even at $5-10 more than Midway I'm still saving $ because of no hazmat fee. Bullets are a different story. Thanks!

glock-n-roll
11-06-2010, 19:13
You could always get your stuff at a gun show too. I bought Winchester primers today for $27.00 for 1K. Powder were a different story, I passed on it because the only vendor with powder (very small show) wanted about $9 more for a lb. than I was willing to pay. WSF was $26.95, Natchez has it for $17 and Midway has it for $19 (before hazmat fees of course). I might have even bought it for $21 or 22, but dang!

IndyGunFreak
11-06-2010, 19:18
Thanks everyone. I didn't know that. I'll just buy powder and primers locally. Even at $5-10 more than Midway I'm still saving $ because of no hazmat fee. Bullets are a different story. Thanks!

Or...

Buy them local until you know what you like and are comfortable with...

Then place a large order w/ Powder Valley, Grafs, etc.. and buy enough that the shipping/hazmat, is cheaper than the local price + sales tax.

Really, it's not that hard to do. That price on primers is ridiculous, and the powders aren't that much better. I'm pretty fortunate and a local place has some pretty good prices on powder, so even w/ Tax, while I do pay a little more, it's not a big deal. Primers always get bought online.

IGF

mboylan
11-06-2010, 19:28
Thanks everyone. I didn't know that. I'll just buy powder and primers locally. Even at $5-10 more than Midway I'm still saving $ because of no hazmat fee. Bullets are a different story. Thanks!

When you buy from Powder Valley, hazmat is a single fee. Buying locally will not save you money.

You need to buy in bulk to save money. That $25 is next to nothing when you buy 10,000 primers and 8 lbs of powder.

ron59
11-06-2010, 20:54
I buy primers from Powder Valley. They're 25.50 or so per 1000, and even with hazmat, when you buy 10,000 come out to around $300 which makes it be $30 per 1000. Add 8lb of powder in, and it's even a better deal.

You do have to have quite a bit of money *right then*, but it will save you in the long run if you can do that.

robin303
11-06-2010, 21:02
I'm glad I live 11 miles from Cabela's. The only wait I have is for my MG boolits. :supergrin:

RustyFN
11-06-2010, 21:23
When you buy from Powder Valley, hazmat is a single fee. Buying locally will not save you money.

You need to buy in bulk to save money. That $25 is next to nothing when you buy 10,000 primers and 8 lbs of powder.

And even better when you buy 50,000 primers and 48 pounds of powder at a time. I know it's two hazmat fees but it works out good for me.

RustyFN
11-06-2010, 21:24
I'm glad I live 11 miles from Cabela's. The only wait I have is for my MG boolits. :supergrin:

If I lived 11 miles from Cabela's I would never have any money. :rofl:

fredj338
11-06-2010, 23:03
Primers locally here, almost $40/K +9.5% ST! I just got my order form Graf's for CCI SP; $24.80/K on 10K. That included HM & their handling fee. So throw in any size powder & it's like shipping for free. At $43.80/K for pirmers, that saves me $19/K. Yeah, I don't buy much locally.

Maine1
11-06-2010, 23:23
IGF and others said it. Anticipate your reloading needs for 5 years, add about 1/3, and place a big order with powder valley. You will not notice the haz mat and shipping when it is spread out on 25K primers, and many pounds of powder.

Is it foolish to order 1K primers, and 2# powder and pay the hazmat and shipping? Sure is! Is it foolish to pay $60 or so haz mat and shipping 0n a $1000 order that would cost you 1200-1500 at retail prices? No, its just wise.

BUY IN BULK...it what makes reloading cheaper for the ammo you get out of it.Think of ammo in quantities of 10K-even if that is a decades worth for you. Components wil NOT be any cheaper than they are now, so buying now fro the next 10 years is a wise and money saving investment.Say nothing about future availability.

fredj338
11-07-2010, 00:02
IGF and others said it. Anticipate your reloading needs for 5 years, add about 1/3, and place a big order with powder valley. You will not notice the haz mat and shipping when it is spread out on 25K primers, and many pounds of powder.

Is it foolish to order 1K primers, and 2# powder and pay the hazmat and shipping? Sure is! Is it foolish to pay $60 or so haz mat and shipping 0n a $1000 order that would cost you 1200-1500 at retail prices? No, its just wise.

BUY IN BULK...it what makes reloading cheaper for the ammo you get out of it.Think of ammo in quantities of 10K-even if that is a decades worth for you. Components wil NOT be any cheaper than they are now, so buying now fro the next 10 years is a wise and money saving investment.Say nothing about future availability.

COrrect! At a minimum, think of ordering on line in 10 unit minimums. A unit being 1K primer or 1# of powder. That adds only $2.50/unit in HM & shipping varies from free to pretty cheap.:supergrin: Buy your first powder in 1# jugs for testing. Cost a bit more/# but I hate having 7# of powder I hate to sue up. Primers, always buy in 5K min, 10K is better. They don't go bad. You can always sell them if you get too many. I keep 5K of each size in surplus, order a min of 5K when I get to my 5K min. You can't reload without em.:crying:

kilroy2721
11-07-2010, 00:28
I order at least 40K of primers and 24-30lbs of powder. It makes the extra fee's easier to deal with.

Aquagear
11-07-2010, 15:57
Find some other shooters in your area, get a good size order together and split the hasmat fee. Before I moved to another state the members of my shooting club used to do that for rimfire ammo and components, when you split that hasmat fee between several people it really helps.

IndyGunFreak
11-07-2010, 16:20
I order at least 40K of primers and 24-30lbs of powder. It makes the extra fee's easier to deal with.

I imagine you have to pay more than 1 Hazmat?

32dgrz
11-07-2010, 16:21
I have been having good luck at the local shows. Picked up 5K of Win SSP for 130.00 Saturday

dudel
11-07-2010, 16:30
I order at least 40K of primers and 24-30lbs of powder. It makes the extra fee's easier to deal with.

Since that violates most fire codes (SAMMI specs), I wonder if the shipper notifies the fire department? Government can be really intrusive. For example, the bank will notify the IRS is you transfer $5k at a time (even if you do it as 5 1K transactions). A casino will also notify the IRS should your winning exceed a threshold (funny they don't seem to factor in any losings). It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

That's also quite an outlay of cash. ( 40K primers @ $20/k = $800 and 30$ of powder at $20/pound = $600. $1400 total plus shipping). I can see how a $25 hazmat fee is in the noise! How long does 30 pounds of powder last you?

This approach though, might be just the ticket for a shooting group to get into. It would take me a long time to go through 30# of BE (at about 5gr/round)! Several reloading friends might well be able to make this work.

kilroy2721
11-07-2010, 16:40
Since that violates most fire codes (SAMMI specs), I wonder if the shipper notifies the fire department? Government can be really intrusive. For example, the bank will notify the IRS is you transfer $5k at a time (even if you do it as 5 1K transactions). A casino will also notify the IRS should your winning exceed a threshold (funny they don't seem to factor in any losings). It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

That's also quite an outlay of cash. ( 40K primers @ $20/k = $800 and 30$ of powder at $20/pound = $600. $1400 total plus shipping). I can see how a $25 hazmat fee is in the noise! How long does 30 pounds of powder last you?

This approach though, might be just the ticket for a shooting group to get into. It would take me a long time to go through 30# of BE (at about 5gr/round)! Several reloading friends might well be able to make this work.

It's not just for me. I have a lot of friends and we will order our supplies together to save on the charges. I don't think that I will ever be able to load that much powder by myself.

IndyGunFreak
11-07-2010, 18:09
I have been having good luck at the local shows. Picked up 5K of Win SSP for 130.00 Saturday

That's not bad, did you have sales tax added on to that?

IGF

AJE
11-07-2010, 18:13
That's why I like my local gunshows. Usually the stuff there is about the same as the online prices, cash prices, and I get to walk out the door with it. (Gunshops are usually online prices + shipping + tax )

Today I got 3K primers for $75, 2lbs of Power Pistol for $38, and a box of 100 .40cal 180gr XTP's for $19.

Gun store prices are about $30/k for primers, $25/lb for Power Pistol if I can find it, and $24.99 for the same box of XTP's.

AJE
11-07-2010, 18:16
Find some other shooters in your area, get a good size order together and split the hasmat fee. Before I moved to another state the members of my shooting club used to do that for rimfire ammo and components, when you split that hasmat fee between several people it really helps.

That's a great way to do it, too.

32dgrz
11-07-2010, 18:38
That's not bad, did you have sales tax added on to that?

IGF
I gave 130.00 in cash.
What is this tax thing you speak of?:supergrin:

ron59
11-08-2010, 09:34
Gun store prices are about $30/k for primers, $25/lb for Power Pistol if I can find it, and $24.99 for the same box of XTP's.

All the stores around here charge $39.99 per 1000 for primers. PLUS tax.

I can get them online for $28 or so per 1000. Delivered.

JUST TODAY found a store that sells them for $30 (plus tax) if you buy a brick, that's not *too* bad. It's a HARDWARE STORE that sells reloading supplies. They have Dillon presses, powders, primers... their prices beat the socks off the two gun stores in town. I'll try to support them whenever possible.

Dogue
11-08-2010, 13:40
I gave 130.00 in cash.
What is this tax thing you speak of?:supergrin:
I was getting most of my stuff at the shows too but with parking and door charges the Hazmat fee doesn't seem too bad now.

32dgrz
11-08-2010, 15:02
I was getting most of my stuff at the shows too but with parking and door charges the Hazmat fee doesn't seem too bad now.
Pretty lucky around here. Free parking and 5 bucks to get in. Got a good deal on WSF and WST at the show before this one .
Darn you Fred for the powder advise.:supergrin: Shoots as well and loads great compared to Unique.

Now looking at the "Red one" to speed things up. Got the green light from Mrs. 32dgrz.
You guys are hard on my wallet. Sure I'd save money reloading but that goes to heck when you end up shooting twice as much.
I guess I should be thankful that I can get my stuff locally for the price I do.

lethal tupperwa
11-08-2010, 15:25
when you kick at the local prices remember they have hazmat fees also.

XDRoX
11-08-2010, 15:32
when you kick at the local prices remember they have hazmat fees also.

What do you mean?

ron59
11-08-2010, 15:37
when you kick at the local prices remember they have hazmat fees also.


Yeah... but when **I** can pay Hazmat and shipping and get CCI for under $28 per 1000, and they're charging $40.00? When they could be getting an even BETTER discount as they oughta be buying 100,000 (or something like that) at a time?

For the stores charging $30.00 or so... hey that's reasonable. But the 2 big stores around here, it's $3.99 per 100 (== $39.99 per 1000), no discount if you buy more. That's exorbitant to me.

Only today I found out there's a hardware store that sells them for $30.00 (if you buy a brick). That's more than reasonable.

And they have VIHTAVOURI powders as well! Gonna get some N320 and load up some 9mm.

RustyFN
11-08-2010, 15:53
when you kick at the local prices remember they have hazmat fees also.

Only if it is sent UPS or Fed-Ex. You can buy primers and powder in a large order and have it shipped LTL to a business and there is no hazmat fee.

ColdShot
11-08-2010, 16:04
powdervalley even with a 25 dollar charge is cheaper than
local for me and everyone is cheaper than midway

Maine1
11-08-2010, 19:22
not trying to be critical, but you are penalized financialy when you think small- it terms of a "brick". I assume that means 1K primers. I asked at one place for a sleeve price (5K the way they are deliverd from PV and other places) "we do not sell them like that, a sleeve is 1k primers". You pay more for a smaller lot...might as well have a larger amount
I have bought primers 1K at a time when i found them at a good price. But i also think that such small scale thining is why many people were caught with their pants down during the recent ammo/component crisis.