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carguy2244
11-09-2010, 21:26
I've seen some 1911 manufacturers selling "hard ball" models. They say they're made for DCM competition, but both will shoot the same ammo. Some have solid triggers, some have triggers with 3 holes, and I can't tell the difference in the grip safeties, but they say they're different.
Can someone please explain the difference, and how do they compare to the same maker's "tactical" models? Any help here?

samuse
11-10-2010, 13:00
DCM guns are can't have beavertails or extended safeties (among other things). I prefer the standard grip safety, because I think it looks better and I don't suffer from hammer bite. I have a Hardball Baer and Springfield Custom in the works right now.

Jason D
11-10-2010, 18:02
A gun that is CMP legal must look exactly like a USGI service pistol on the outside.
The only allowance is for the addition of Target sights. It can be a full on custom gun on the inside.

There aren't really that many companies that make a CMP hardball gun, and none of them are reasonably priced. Stay away from the High Standard Camp Perry model.
Mine took a lot of work to get it to even function reliably.

MajorD
11-12-2010, 09:24
the "national match hardball" guns are as noted above designed to fit within the guidelines for DCM/CMP competition for service pistol matches-with the exception of trigger style variances and the allowance for adjustable sights they need to look exactly like a 1911a1- inside they are full blown hand fit guns with a goal of 3 inch or less accuracy with 230gr hardball at 50 yards.A "good" gun ready to compete at this level out of the box would be the les baer NM hardball that runs about 1800 bucks.

MajorD
11-12-2010, 09:25
also the market for this type gun is very limited- pretty much guys/gals that go to camp perry and shoot bullseye. Many f the top level shooters are now moving to the match tuned Beretta m9. It is the current service pistol after all. The match tuned beretas are as much if not more expensive than the 1911's

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2010, 10:33
A "good" gun ready to compete at this level out of the box would be the les baer NM hardball that runs about 1800 bucks.

I make 'great' ones for about $1000 less.

Jerry
11-12-2010, 10:50
I make 'great' ones for about $1000 less.

Iím not a bulls eye shooter so donít need one of these pistols but I have to ask. You are supplying a pistol and custom work for around $800.00?

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2010, 11:12
the parts are about $800 and my time is free as it is a hobby

Jerry
11-12-2010, 12:47
the parts are about $800 and my time is free as it is a hobby

Got ya! :)

Tactical black
11-12-2010, 13:27
the parts are about $800 and my time is free as it is a hobby

Can you post some pics of your work. :cool:

pistolwrench
11-12-2010, 15:09
Im in!!!
:cool:
Where do I send the $$$$?
:rofl:

P.S. Is cash OK?

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2010, 15:41
sorry, I only sell to my friends


Can you post some pics of your work. :cool:



I'm no photog but here is a shot of one.

new- EGW, Fusion guts & springs & bushing & grip safety Brown slide release and thumb safety
used- Colt trigger & barrel

pistolwrench
11-12-2010, 15:43
Great work!
It looks just like a stock RIA 1911!
:wow:

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2010, 15:48
thanks, I like the Magnum PI look for all mu 1911s. The tiny sights are a must.

Here is another with a WW1 era upper that I picked up at a garage sale of all places, pretty much the same guts/parts set up.

Jason D
11-12-2010, 15:51
also the market for this type gun is very limited- pretty much guys/gals that go to camp perry and shoot bullseye. Many f the top level shooters are now moving to the match tuned Beretta m9. It is the current service pistol after all. The match tuned beretas are as much if not more expensive than the 1911's

A match tuned Beretta is quite an involved process. In many cases it means milling out the factory frame rails and installing steel rails.

A match grate Beretta 92 will run about 2500 from the big companies that do it.

You can on other other hand still compete with a stock 92.

Hoser
11-12-2010, 15:54
The tiny sights are a must.

Not for a ball gun they arent.

They are as far away from what you want as you can get.

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2010, 15:56
I like the tiny sights and my 1911s have only ever shot ball. I've never done the competition but I'd like to try with one of my pistols. I did have a slide with Novaks adjustable installed but did not prefer them over the tiny GIs.

pistolwrench
11-12-2010, 16:14
Pistols set up for 'hardball' matches must shoot under 3" at 50yds. to be
minimally competitive.
It takes a REALLY good man/sights/pistol combo to achieve.

Jason D
11-12-2010, 16:47
Pistols set up for 'hardball' matches must shoot under 3" at 50yds. to be
minimally competitive.
It takes a REALLY good man/sights/pistol combo to achieve.

My gun will do just under that rested.
I just don't think I will ever achieve that off hand.

Hoser
11-12-2010, 21:43
My gun will do just under that rested.
I just don't think I will ever achieve that off hand.

Not just offhand, but one handed...

Jason D
11-13-2010, 16:03
Yes, one handed.

You do get better but it takes a lot of time and ammo.