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woodrowNC
11-13-2010, 21:49
colt or springfield? and will either work on the others gun. what sa describes as a polished blue, is that the same as colts royal blue? hate to sound dumb but i've never used either. gonna send my gi to sa for the defense package and a few other things and i've never sent my original series 70 to colt for the lower and flare and refinish. if sa's looks like royal blue i'll send them both there.

also, visually whats the difference between hand and machine cut checkering.

Quack
11-13-2010, 21:58
don't know on the bluing, but the difference in checkering is one is done by machine, while the other is done by hand. Springfield does great machine checkering, so IMO, no need to pay extra for hand cut.

woodrowNC
11-13-2010, 22:04
right, i understand the machining part, but what i'm asking is could you look and tell which was which?

Quack
11-13-2010, 22:08
not really, unless you look really hard, and you still might not be able to notice the difference.

here's a machine checkered and hand checkered
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1049006164_YxpGx-X2.jpg

samuse
11-14-2010, 06:50
The the Colt need the port lowered and flared? If you want the Colt to be a Colt and not just another 1911, send it back to Colt. I really like the way Colt does their dehorn.

This gun is all Colt, except for the front sight and trigger. The dehorn and serrations were done at Colt's shop.
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/001.jpg?t=1289744035

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/003.jpg?t=1289744065

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/002.jpg?t=1289744093

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/004.jpg?t=1289744123

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 06:59
not really, unless you look really hard, and you still might not be able to notice the difference.

here's a machine checkered and hand checkered
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1049006164_YxpGx-X2.jpg
you're right. i've been a machinist for 30 yrs and i can't tell from the pic. thanks. you just saved me another 60 bucks.
but if i had to guess, i'd say machined is the middle?

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 07:06
The the Colt need the port lowered and flared? If you want the Colt to be a Colt and not just another 1911, send it back to Colt. I really like the way Colt does their dehorn. I'll post some pics here in a minute.

yeah, it needs it. i don't carry it, but i love to shoot it. and of course it stovepipes. it's not really a big deal, but i'm a colt fan, and i don't like some crackhead with his glock, kimber, hk whatever saying "hey look at that dumbazz and his pos jamming colt". plus the finish is about 90% so it's going to get the royal blue. it's my fav pistol at the moment, so it might get the works.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
11-14-2010, 07:41
you're right. i've been a machinist for 30 yrs and i can't tell from the pic. thanks. you just saved me another 60 bucks.
but if i had to guess, i'd say machined is the middle?

Yes, the hand checkered on e on the right - the machine one is in the middle.

I can tell because with the magwell, I know what the one on the right is :supergrin:

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 07:54
The the Colt need the port lowered and flared? If you want the Colt to be a Colt and not just another 1911, send it back to Colt. I really like the way Colt does their dehorn.

This gun is all Colt, except for the front sight and trigger. The dehorn and serrations were done at Colt's shop.
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/001.jpg?t=1289744035

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/003.jpg?t=1289744065

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/002.jpg?t=1289744093

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/O1918/004.jpg?t=1289744123

you're right. that's a beautiful 1911. god i love spurred hammers and original beavertails. i don't suffer from hammerbite. small thumb safety. vertical ss's. starting to think i'm a dinosaur.

samuse
11-14-2010, 08:18
you're right. that's a beautiful 1911. god i love spurred hammers and original beavertails. i don't suffer from hammerbite. small thumb safety. vertical ss's. starting to think i'm a dinosaur.

Thank you.

I don't get hammerbite either.

Your not a dinosaur, you just have impeccable good taste:supergrin: I had that gun put together last year for my 29th birthday. The parkerized Springfield was for my 30th birthday.

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 09:55
Thank you.

I don't get hammerbite either.

Your not a dinosaur, you just have impeccable good taste:supergrin: I had that gun put together last year for my 29th birthday. The parkerized Springfield was for my 30th birthday.

quite a coincidence. nov 3 was my birthday, 49, and i ordered a parked sa gi. i think i'll do the same next year. happy belated birthday!

knedrgr
11-14-2010, 11:48
Yes, the hand checkered on e on the right - the machine one is in the middle.

I can tell because with the magwell, I know what the one on the right is :supergrin:

the grip kind of gave that one away.

samuse
11-14-2010, 12:18
happy belated birthday!


Thanks. This may constitute an excuse to buy another b-day gun:supergrin:

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:44
Thanks. This may constitute an excuse to buy another b-day gun:supergrin:

:thumbsup:

MajorD
11-14-2010, 13:36
stovepiping type malfunctions are NOT related to the size of the ejection port- the original reason for opening up the port was to minimize dinged brass that was collected for reloading. if you are having stove pipe issues, opening up the port may or may not help. a good smith to do a reliability tune on the gun will be more useful

MD357
11-14-2010, 15:13
You can definately feel a difference between machine and hand checkering. To me, it's worth it to pay for hand.

samuse
11-14-2010, 16:57
stovepiping type malfunctions are NOT related to the size of the ejection port- the original reason for opening up the port was to minimize dinged brass that was collected for reloading. if you are having stove pipe issues, opening up the port may or may not help. a good smith to do a reliability tune on the gun will be more useful


More than likely the extractor needs more tension and/or the hook needs to be tuned. A loose ejector can contribute to stovepipes too.

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 17:35
More than likely the extractor needs more tension and/or the hook needs to be tuned. A loose ejector can contribute to stovepipes too.

i just checked it. the ejectors not loose. looks like i'm gonna have to read up on tuning an extractor. but i do reload, so i guess i've still gotta get it lowered and flared.

Quack
11-14-2010, 17:40
i just checked it. the ejectors not loose. looks like i'm gonna have to read up on tuning an extractor. but i do reload, so i guess i've still gotta get it lowered and flared.

http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 17:55
http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

outstanding! you, my friend, are a veritable wealth of extractor tuning knowledge. :cool: will do it tomorrow.

Quack
11-14-2010, 18:04
No Problem. i just read up a lot on the hobbies that i have.

another good reference is the Jerry Kuhnhausen 1911 workshop manuals.