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snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 08:41
Good morning gents. I posted here and in the Glock forum just a few days ago as to which style .45 I should pick up. After heading to the range and firing a Springfield Mil-Spec and a Glock 21, and after watching Ronin for the 99th time, I can say that I am hopelessly obsessed on picking up a 1911! Now I have done more than a few searches here as I know that "which 1911 to buy" threads are waaay too common, but I am still having trouble deciding which gun to buy.

I have about $600.00 to work with, but I would drop another Ben-G or two for a pistol that was just spectacular. I just want a solid performing 1911 that I can use and become familiar with. I don't want to go near any safe queens...yet. The qualities I am looking for in my 1911 are durability and reliability right out of the box; looks are a secondary priority. I am a very inexperienced shooter, and any other accessories (holster, customizations, ect.) are unnecessary at this point. I want to be able to open the box, put 100 rounds through her, clean her spotless, and have her eat another 100 rounds without a hiccup. Here are my initial considerations:

1. Springfield Mil-Spec

2. STI Spartan

3. RIA GI 1911

4. Taurus pt 1911

5. Colt XSE Government (this one's a stretch)

Considering my priorities mentioned above, which pistol would be ideal? If you gentlemen have any other recommendations I would be more than willing to listen and consider.

As a final question, is there any benefit to having a stainless finish, nickel matte finish, or any of the finishes where the frame & slide has had a satin finish put on? I LOVE the look of RIA's nickel 1911, but being new to the maintenence of a 1911...I sure don't want to jump the gun :rofl:

Thanks very much for any help fellas! This seems like a great forum and I have learned a lot already.

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 09:02
you're gonna get a lot more knowledgable suggestions than mine as i'm mostly a colt guy, and not an xse at that. but the one thing i can say is FOR HEAVENS SAKE, DROP THE PT 1911. and bac1023 has a super buyers guide stickied at the top of the forum. for someone like you, it will prove invaluable. good luck.

anyplainjoe
11-14-2010, 09:04
First, ask yourself what features you want.

Any GI gun has teeny sights which can be difficult to see, and the ejector/ejection port can toss brass into your forehead.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 10:12
Out of those, I'd go with the STI Spartan. Its a quality gun and has all the features you could want.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3749.jpg

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 10:14
Out of those, I'd go with the STI Spartan. Its a quality gun and has all the features you could want.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3749.jpg

Brian doesn't know much about 1911s, but I have to agree with him on this one. :rofl:

Quack
11-14-2010, 10:24
fill us in on what you are looking for?
fixed sights or adjustable
std grip safety or enhanced (beavertail)
usage
finish

STI Spartan
RIA Tactical

the Springfield Range Officer also looks promising.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 10:45
Brian doesn't know much about 1911s, but I have to agree with him on this one. :rofl:

:thumbsup:

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 10:48
Brian doesn't know much about 1911s, but I have to agree with him on this one. :rofl:

:rofl:
yeah, he's pretty much a beginner.

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 10:50
:thumbsup:

Just sayin'. :tongueout:

According to that one clown... you can't shoot, don't build your own, and just post pics of your fancy collection. :rofl:

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 11:36
fill us in on what you are looking for?
fixed sights or adjustable
std grip safety or enhanced (beavertail)
usage
finish

STI Spartan
RIA Tactical

the Springfield Range Officer also looks promising.

To be honest, I don't know that much about 1911's to have a true preferance! Fixed or adjustable, standard or beavertail, I truly don't know which I would prefer. I just want a gun that I can fall in love with and rely upon to fire every time I pull the trigger. That being said, I take obessive compulsively good care of my weaponry.

As for finish, I would LOVE to get a stainless finish....but I hear that they are hard to get clean once you have shot a few. Is this true? Does having a stainless finish enhance performance at all..or is it strictly cosmetic?

Quack
11-14-2010, 11:44
IMO SS doesn't stay as tight and can't be fit as tight as carbon steel guns.
my SS Loaded slide/frame fit was decent, but after ~5000rounds it's loosened up quite a bit. SS is also prone to galling if fit too tight.

they are not hard to clean at all, no different than a coated gun.

here's one of my SS guns that i used in a class in the rain/mud and shot a little over 500rds though it that day.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1006487021_C85GK-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1006488163_oT3Zw-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1006485502_DMEc7-L.jpg

Quack
11-14-2010, 11:46
and here's my small collection so you can kind of see the different 1911's

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_3932.jpg

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 11:51
WOW Quack! Beautiful collection man! As we speak, I am still reading up on a ton of literature regarding the 1911. I forgot to mention that buying a US made 1911 means a lot to me...so I can rule out the STI, Taurus, ect.

I really think I have narrowed it down to either the Springer Mil-Spec, Remington R1, or the Colt Gov't. This Colt Gov't is going for just under $800.00; what do you think?!

http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=22915

Quack
11-14-2010, 11:55
WOW Quack! Beautiful collection man! As we speak, I am still reading up on a ton of literature regarding the 1911. I forgot to mention that buying a US made 1911 means a lot to me...so I can rule out the STI, Taurus, ect.

I really think I have narrowed it down to either the Springer Mil-Spec, Remington R1, or the Colt Gov't. This Colt Gov't is going for just under $800.00; what do you think?!

http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=22915


you can rule out the STI Spartan, but all the other STI's are made in Texas.
you can rule out Springfield because the mil-spec may be made in Brazil and all Springfields (even the high dollar ones) all start from Brazil forgings.

I like the Remington R1 for an entry/mil-spec type gun. IMO, it's much better fit than the Springfield mil-spec. the only slight downside is the Series 80 safety, but not a big deal.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_3097.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_3093.jpg

I don't care for Colts.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 11:57
As for finish, I would LOVE to get a stainless finish....but I hear that they are hard to get clean once you have shot a few. Is this true? Does having a stainless finish enhance performance at all..or is it strictly cosmetic?


Stainless isn't really a "finish" its the material.

I think stainless is a relatively poor material for a 1911. Although its improved greatly over the years, its still not as hard as carbon steel and the 1911's design requires tight tolerences, especially for a good one.

I'm not big on stainless 1911s. I own quite a few, but my best models are all carbon steel.

Quack
11-14-2010, 11:59
some Remington threads of mine
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1230471

and the range report
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1231312

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 12:01
some Remington threads of mine
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1230471

and the range report
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1231312


Awesome stuff. Many thanks! Gettin' ready to pull the trigger :cool:

Quack
11-14-2010, 12:04
no problem. i think i'm going to order some stuff this week to cut my R1 up while i'm on my Thanksgiving staycation.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:06
http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=22915

That's looks more like an XSE, actually.







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den888
11-14-2010, 12:08
I'd get the RIA or Springfield.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:08
Just sayin'. :tongueout:

According to that one clown... you can't shoot, don't build your own, and just post pics of your fancy collection. :rofl:

Oh yeah, that's my buddy FLIPPER. ;)

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 12:10
God damn its a hard decision.

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 12:17
WOW Quack! Beautiful collection man! As we speak, I am still reading up on a ton of literature regarding the 1911. I forgot to mention that buying a US made 1911 means a lot to me...so I can rule out the STI, Taurus, ect.

I really think I have narrowed it down to either the Springer Mil-Spec, Remington R1, or the Colt Gov't. This Colt Gov't is going for just under $800.00; what do you think?!

http://www.topglock.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=22915

though i respect his opinion very much, unlike quack, i'm an admitted colt fanboy. it's a good gun. and one thing for sure, if you decide to ever sell it, you'll be glad you bought the colt. and if you decide to do any custom work, gunsmiths like colt base guns.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:17
WOW Quack! Beautiful collection man! As we speak, I am still reading up on a ton of literature regarding the 1911. I forgot to mention that buying a US made 1911 means a lot to me...so I can rule out the STI, Taurus, ect.

I really think I have narrowed it down to either the Springer Mil-Spec, Remington R1, or the Colt Gov't. This Colt Gov't is going for just under $800.00; what do you think?!



You can rule out Springfield too.

If you want American, I suggest the Remington R1 or a Thompson Custom.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/011-1.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/010-7.jpg









If you want a stainless, American built 1911 for $650, the Thompson Custom may be your only option.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_3696.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_3693.jpg

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 12:18
Awesome, thanks bac. Final question...for today at least...how does the Smith & Wesson 1911 hold up?

Quack
11-14-2010, 12:28
though i respect his opinion very much, unlike quack, i'm an admitted colt fanboy. it's a good gun. and one thing for sure, if you decide to ever sell it, you'll be glad you bought the colt. and if you decide to do any custom work, gunsmiths like colt base guns.

they are fine to build on, but for the $ there are better options IMO.

as well as the Colt fanboy's saying "If it's not a Colt, it's a copy" crap, which is almost as funny as the Glock fanboy's saying "a 1911 is what you show your friends. A Glock is what you show your enemies." :tongueout::rofl:

Quack
11-14-2010, 12:29
Awesome, thanks bac. Final question...for today at least...how does the Smith & Wesson 1911 hold up?

S&W's are fine guns, though people (1911 purists) don't like the external extractor on them.

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:31
Awesome, thanks bac. Final question...for today at least...how does the Smith & Wesson 1911 hold up?

I love mine.

I got it brand new a couple years ago during S&W's $100 off sale for about $600 out the door. You're going to pay $750-$800 now for the standard SW1911.

Mine has been a very reliable, good shooting 1911. You just have to get used to the external extractor. I don't mind them, but others do.

They also have front strap treatment, whereas Colt and Kimber don't for the same price. I also like the fact that it doesn't have front cocking serrations.



http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/005-4.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/008-5.jpg

bac1023
11-14-2010, 12:32
they are fine to build on, but for the $ there are better options IMO.



Exactly my thoughts on Colt. They're my favorite base guns for a build, but aren't a great value by themselves.

MajorD
11-14-2010, 14:42
I prefer made in the usa and have had good luck in the price range with used colts- take some one who knows what they are looking at- a box stock one not something already worked on by bubba. A colt 1991 is a good option too. around 700 new I think. you do NOT have to be obsessive about keeping a 1911 clean- a field strip about every 500 rounds should be more than enough to keep it chugging along. while not a consideration on an entry level gun, if you ever get a hand fit custom/semi custom, the hand fit tolerances can see accelerated wear if you take apart the gun and clean too often. And also unless something breaks or you have a problem, there is no need to detail strip the frame for cleaning

woodrowNC
11-14-2010, 16:50
they are fine to build on, but for the $ there are better options IMO.

as well as the Colt fanboy's saying "If it's not a Colt, it's a copy" crap, which is almost as funny as the Glock fanboy's saying "a 1911 is what you show your friends. A Glock is what you show your enemies." :tongueout::rofl:

no, i'm not that bad. colt was the first 1911 i ever owned and i've always been very lucky with them. but they do demand more resale because of the name. most folks (not glocktalkers) think 1911, they think colt.

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 17:37
Hey Quack, would you mind shooting me an email bro? I would very much like to talk to you before I "pull the trigger" on my 1911.

Quack
11-14-2010, 17:48
cool...now if you get odd emails from p0rn sites, it wasn't me :rofl:

snwbrdr202
11-14-2010, 18:09
cool...now if you get odd emails from p0rn sites, it wasn't me :rofl:

LOL! Good call; edited! Last thing I need is to explain to the Mrs. why I have ANOTHER gun and a list of porn membership offers!

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 19:22
LOL! Good call; edited! Last thing I need is to explain to the Mrs. why I have ANOTHER gun and a list of porn membership offers!

Honestly, my wife would rather I look at porn than hang out here. And she would probably prefer I go out with a prostitute than go to the range with Quack. :rofl:

Quack
11-14-2010, 19:27
Honestly, my wife would rather I look at porn than hang out here. And she would probably prefer I go out with a prostitute than go to the range with Quack. :rofl:

the prostitute would be cheaper :rofl:

bac1023
11-14-2010, 19:41
Honestly, my wife would rather I look at porn than hang out here. And she would probably prefer I go out with a prostitute than go to the range with Quack. :rofl:

:animlol:

Cerebrus
11-14-2010, 20:10
the prostitute would be cheaper :rofl:

so yer sayin Ohio is rife with cheap hookers?

Quack
11-14-2010, 20:13
well depends on which hooker. my ex-wife was on the expensive side, but i got a refund after the divorce :rofl:

she also realized how expensive she was when she had to get rid of the BMW and go to a Mazda3 :animlol:

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 20:14
so yer sayin Ohio is rife with cheap hookers?

Google "Youngstown" and "Asian massage parlor". :rofl:

Quack
11-14-2010, 20:15
Google "Youngstown" and "Asian massage parlor". :rofl:

and that's the area where rsxr22's shop is :whistling::rofl:

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 20:17
and that's the area where rsxr22's shop is :whistling::rofl:

I should...uhhhh...pay his shop a visit and see what he's got. :wavey:

Quack
11-14-2010, 20:22
I should...uhhhh...pay his shop a visit and see what he's got. :wavey:

i saw that they had some penicillin on the counter and wondered what it was for :rofl:

Hokie1911
11-14-2010, 20:25
i saw that they had some penicillin on the counter and wondered what it was for :rofl:

Probably a good idea after the "happy ending". :whistling: