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Hokie1911
11-17-2010, 18:57
Quack sent me a link today about some Remsport over-run stainless commander frame/slide sets that are a good price. I was considering having a Quack Custom Shop 9mm bobtail built. Only problem is, after talking to John at Remsport, all of those are .45/.40/10mm sets. 9mm would run me +$100.

I have no need for a .45 since I have the Kobra Carry on the way. Was briefly considering a .40 bobtail, but then got to thinking...aside from STI, who else makes a .40 1911? Everybody and their brother owns a G22/23 or Sig/HK in .40, but I don't know of anyone with a .40 1911. :dunno:

glock2740
11-17-2010, 19:12
I like the .40 round and have always wanted a nice 1911 in .40. My first .40 was a Star M40. It didn't have a BTGS, but other than that, it was a 1911. Great gun. Traded it to a close bud. Had to keep it in the family, so to speak. :cool:

Hokie1911
11-17-2010, 19:19
I dig .40 also. Had a few of them. .40 ammo is plentiful and cheaper than .45. Plus I would think that would be fun to shoot in a 35oz stainless 1911. Plus for a carry gun, it's more than adequate for a defensive round.

the iceman
11-17-2010, 19:22
I'd probably skip the .40 and upgrade to a 10mm 1911. On the plus side, you have have a 1911 fitted for both! :supergrin:

FLIPPER 348
11-17-2010, 19:37
......, but I don't know of anyone with a .40 1911. :dunno:


supply/demand



If there was a demand lots of folks would be making them (even Taurus!)

The 1911 in .40 does not recoil the same way a .45 1911 does, it does not have the classic feel when shooting. A .40 1911 is quite easy to build/have built BTW. I'm not sure of the mag supply though.

bac1023
11-17-2010, 20:29
I have also heard of inherent reliability issues with the 40S&W round in the 1911 platform.

BuckyP
11-17-2010, 20:51
I have also heard of inherent reliability issues with the 40S&W round in the 1911 platform.


The .40s can be temperamental in the 1911, which is why a lot of guys (myself included) load to 10mm length. This will require 10mm mags, obviously. Also, 10mm / .40 slide stops are hard to come by, so you need to make some mods to a 9mm / .38 super stop.


I'm not sure of the mag supply though.


Tripp makes .40 mags as well as 10mm mags, which is what I'm using (the 10mm mags). They make 10 round mags too, which are 140mm, and a little handier than the longer 10 round .45 magazines.

GlockBill
11-18-2010, 06:35
I have also heard of inherent reliability issues with the 40S&W round in the 1911 platform.

I heard this as well. I have a couple of non-1911 .40s&w's and considered a .40s&w 1911 at one time, but decided that since they typically sell for more than a .45acp 1911 I wasn't willing to take the increased risk of getting a gun with reliability issues. I was also concerned with parts availability and lesser demand if resale became a factor.

I don't mean to be discouraging, everyone has "things" that get their interest level up. I do wish you luck if you decide to move forward.

drc767
11-18-2010, 06:41
i'd probably skip the .40 and upgrade to a 10mm 1911. On the plus side, you have have a 1911 fitted for both! :supergrin:

Bingo!! 10mm baby!!!!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/HCTactElite005.jpg

doneroman
11-18-2010, 06:46
STI makes GREAT 1911s in .40, and I believe Bob Serva still builds them over at Fusion.

drc767
11-18-2010, 06:57
and I believe Bob Serva still builds them over at Fusion.

Oh lord.....here we go again. :)

glock2740
11-18-2010, 07:59
Bingo!! 10mm baby!!!!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/HCTactElite005.jpg
:hearts:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 08:17
STI makes GREAT 1911s in .40, and I believe Bob Serva still builds them over at Fusion.

:faint:

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 08:50
STI makes GREAT 1911s in .40, and I believe Bob Serva still builds them over at Fusion.

Fusion has such a great rep on this forum I can't believe everyone hasn't bought one yet :whistling:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 08:53
Fusion has such a great rep on this forum I can't believe everyone hasn't bought one yet :whistling:

:rofl:

ambluemax
11-18-2010, 10:26
A guy over on 1911forum called steele1212 or something like that (springfield1911guy on youtube) has at least 1 springfield 40 for USPSA competition. I think its a trophy match...

Of course there is the EMP in 40 too...

40's are pretty popular for USPSA

1006
11-19-2010, 20:27
I have a Delta Elite that I have a Bar Sto 40S&W Barrel to use in it. It was set up by a gunsmith (John Harrison of Harrison Custom). It runs 100% reliable all the time and always has. I am using Metalform 40 cal mags. I run standard length 40 ammo through it.

I really don't think the lack of its popularity is a result of reliability, as much as a lack of gains over a 45. They hold the same number of bullets, if you are not getting more bullets why go down in caliber?

You could go with a Hi-Cap double stack gun--you see a lot of 40's and 9's in this group, and hardly any 45's.

Zombie Steve
11-19-2010, 20:40
If God wanted the 1911 to be chambered in .40 Short & Wimpy, he would have had Saint Browning do it.

xtreme99
11-19-2010, 20:42
My pops has a 1911 chambered in .40 that he used to shoot competition with. I want to say it's a Para Ordnance, but I could be way off in that.

MD357
11-19-2010, 22:52
I've got two of them. A CQB and my EMP. No reliability issues in competition or otherwise.

No need to load long.... Wilson 47Ds will work really well with a .40 cal 1911 that's properly setup. A little secret I learned from the local single stack guys.

Hoser
11-20-2010, 08:41
I have a couple 1911s in 40. No issues here.

Funner and cheaper to shoot than the 45. And I also have one in 45 GAP...

Quack
11-20-2010, 08:51
cheaper, yes.
much cheaper, no.

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 08:55
cheaper, yes.
much cheaper, no.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

CigarheadRNB
11-20-2010, 14:17
Dan has discontinued it, but the PM7 is an awesome range gun and saves money on ammo, but if I am going to carry I would feel better with the .45.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/cigarsandbeer/WTS%20WTT/Firearms/752d04e1.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/cigarsandbeer/WTS%20WTT/Firearms/852d17c1.jpg

MD357
11-20-2010, 18:02
cheaper, yes.
much cheaper, no.

Around here it's $100 a case less. $15 a box relative to $20.

Not to mention you can actually find it.

remat
11-20-2010, 19:33
There used to be more (Colt, Kimber, DW). Wilson will make you one, but as they have said -- if you added up all of the non-45 caliber 1911's, even combined they are still only a small fraction compared to 45.

Like 1006 I have a Delta Elite with a 40 barrel also. VERY mild shooter.

1006
11-20-2010, 19:43
The 40 is also a whole heck of a lot easier to find brass for, if you are a reloader. I have gone full circle over the years. Started with a 1911 in 45, then Glocks in 9mm, now I run the 40 for just about everything from mild to hot.

doneroman
11-20-2010, 23:37
OP asked about who built 1911s in a .40 S&W.


Are YOU building pistols in a professional business?









Fusion has such a great rep on this forum I can't believe everyone hasn't bought one yet :whistling:

mrsurfboard
11-21-2010, 00:16
I have zero interest in a .40 1911. .45 works great and is a better cartridge then the .40

BOGE
11-21-2010, 02:02
A big killer for the .40 S&W in the 1911 was that the barrel rate of twist was not optimum originally if I recall. Accuracy was dismal. When some changed the ROT for the bullet used it became a tack driver.

MD357
11-21-2010, 02:31
I have zero interest in a .40 1911. .45 works great and is a better cartridge then the .40

Better at what? Making you feel all warm and safe? Either one will do the job IF you do your job. Leave the caliber war comments to the internet ninjas.

MD357
11-21-2010, 02:34
STI makes GREAT 1911s in .40, and I believe Bob Serva still builds them over at Fusion.

I wouldn't say "builds" as much as.... throws together. :cool:

Hokie1911
11-21-2010, 07:46
OP asked about who built 1911s in a .40 S&W.


Are YOU building pistols in a professional business?

Tactical Black is in the "hot wife business". :rofl:

Honestly, I would trust a Quack Custom Shop gun to be built to my spec and function more reliably than a Fusion at 2x the price. :thumbsup:

handyman
11-21-2010, 09:01
I've got two of them. A CQB and my EMP. No reliability issues in competition or otherwise.

No need to load long.... Wilson 47Ds will work really well with a .40 cal 1911 that's properly setup. A little secret I learned from the local single stack guys.


How is the emp to shoot? I have the 9mm and love it.

MD357
11-21-2010, 09:13
How is the emp to shoot? I have the 9mm and love it.

VERY mild. In fact, there's not a ton of difference with my EMP than my CQB. The spring sytsem in the EMP is REALLY stout and it eats up a ton of recoil. Springfield hit a homerun with the EMP.

mrsurfboard
11-21-2010, 09:36
Better at what? Making you feel all warm and safe? Either one will do the job IF you do your job. Leave the caliber war comments to the internet ninjas.

No caliber war, just see no need for .40 in a 1911 when the .45 works just fine.

Hokie1911
11-21-2010, 09:46
No caliber war, just see no need for .40 in a 1911 when the .45 works just fine.

MD's point was that for those of us that don't reload, accessibility and cost is a factor. $5 per box adds up.

MD357
11-21-2010, 09:47
No caliber war, just see no need for .40 in a 1911 when the .45 works just fine.

Your initial statement relayed that it was a "better cartridge."

On the flipside there's no need for .45 when the .40 performs nearly the same, is cheaper, and more available. I'll guarantee most 1911 shooters that put a good amount of rounds down range, considered 1911s in other calibers over the last couple of years due to the ammo "crisis."

1006
11-21-2010, 10:55
Yep--I now have a 9mm 1911, just for ammo prices.

mrsurfboard
11-21-2010, 11:47
Your initial statement relayed that it was a "better cartridge."

On the flipside there's no need for .45 when the .40 performs nearly the same, is cheaper, and more available. I'll guarantee most 1911 shooters that put a good amount of rounds down range, considered 1911s in other calibers over the last couple of years due to the ammo "crisis."

Well don't count me as one of them. I have no problems finding .45 and don't mind paying a little bit more, and it really is only a little bit more, for it. And yes I do feel the .45 is better, my opinion.

MD357
11-21-2010, 12:35
Well don't count me as one of them. I have no problems finding .45 and don't mind paying a little bit more, and it really is only a little bit more, for it. And yes I do feel the .45 is better, my opinion.

Like I said, some shoot more than others. We can look up any ammo vendor on the web and the price difference will be signifcant to those that shoot more than a few times a year.

Now to your opinion, again if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy then great, knock yourself out. Just trying to relay that the penetration and expansion is comparable in the real world. A BG won't know the difference.

mrsurfboard
11-21-2010, 12:51
Like I said, some shoot more than others. We can look up any ammo vendor on the web and the price difference will be signifcant to those that shoot more than a few times a year.

Now to your opinion, again if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy then great, knock yourself out. Just trying to relay that the penetration and expansion is comparable in the real world. A BG won't know the difference.

No need to be a dick about it. My opinion is just as valid as yours.

custom2
11-21-2010, 14:09
I don't see the need for a 40S&W 1911. After all, isn't the 40S&W just a poor mans 10mm?

BuckyP
11-21-2010, 14:42
MD's point was that for those of us that don't reload, accessibility and cost is a factor. $5 per box adds up.

And for those of us that do reload, cost is still a factor. Cost of .45 heads are expensive. Even the prices on lead (which I hate shooting) is through the roof.

But then, I'm a one of each kind of guy and now have 1911s in 9mm, .38 super, .40 and .45. I like variety. :supergrin:

MD357
11-21-2010, 15:13
No need to be a dick about it. My opinion is just as valid as yours.

Problem is, I'm not talking about opinions here, I'm talking about facts. Fact: .45 costs more than .40. Fact: It's not nearly as plentiful as it used to be. Fact: There's no proven performance difference that translates to the real world.

I like .45 just as much as the next guy but the ammo market isn't what it used to be. I can't go out and get a $12 box of .45 anymore, heck I can't find .45 HST for a somewhat decent price. Hopefully in a year or so, I'll be wrong.


But then, I'm a one of each kind of guy and now have 1911s in 9mm, .38 super, .40 and .45. I like variety.

Glad I'm not the only one. :cool:

remat
11-21-2010, 17:03
I like variety too. Why stop at 40 or 45? Why not 10mm, 45 Super, 460 Rowland, etc. :)

Not that the OP needs to justify why he wants one, but for me I happen to have a lot of 40 ammo/brass/bullets and even if I didn't 40 is always at my local Wallyworld while 45 is not.

40 out of a 1911 is very pleasant and mild. I would also invite the nay sayers to take a look at some of the short barrel ballistics of a 40 vs the 45. You might be surprised what you get out of a 3".

Regardless, shoot what you want.

doneroman
11-21-2010, 21:00
It's cute when shooters and forum enthusiasts take pot shots at professionals who ARE actually building custom pistols in America today.

The OP kind of asked about who is building 1911s in the .40, not asking for your opinions on the old caliber war.

Full moon must be comin as the threadjacks are getting thick.





I wouldn't say "builds" as much as.... throws together. :cool:

Hokie1911
11-21-2010, 21:07
It's ok, I dislike most of the guys here anyway. Bunch of 1911 snobs with their fancy pistols. :rofl:

As for hijacked threads, I hate when that happens. That's why I always keep on point. :whistling:

MD357
11-21-2010, 21:23
It's cute when shooters and forum enthusiasts take pot shots at professionals who ARE actually building custom pistols in America today.
.

It's not a pot shot, what I said is reality and many PROFESSIONALS have said the same thing. Dave Severns did a detailed 1911 comparison thread over on 1911forum and if you know what you are looking at, it's a fact. Those guns are not well built for the price range they are in, they are pieced together. BS had a history of cutting corners when he was at DW too.

FLIPPER 348
11-22-2010, 13:53
I have no issues with their frames or small parts.

Aiden
11-22-2010, 19:26
Just when I started finding plentiful .45acp, I moved.

Now I'm considering .40S&W again...

mrsurfboard
11-22-2010, 22:00
Just when I started finding plentiful .45acp, I moved.

Now I'm considering .40S&W again...

ammo to go always has plenty. That's where I get mine.

Hoser
11-23-2010, 08:23
cheaper, yes.
much cheaper, no.

Compare 20K (one years worth of ammo for an average competitive shooter) worth of ammo.

I say the 40 is much cheaper.

Quack
11-23-2010, 09:39
Compare 20K (one years worth of ammo for an average competitive shooter) worth of ammo.

I say the 40 is much cheaper.

and 9mm is much cheaper than .40, and .22LR is dirt cheap, so what's your point?
for the average/casual shooter, there really isn't much difference in price. between the .40 and .45.

competitive shooters reload or are sponsored by an ammo company

nolt
11-23-2010, 10:02
if im going to shoot something that snappy i would just as soon shoot 10.
thats just me. =]

Hoser
11-23-2010, 13:49
competitive shooters reload or are sponsored by an ammo company

I reload for every caliber I shoot. And I shoot a lot. I could not afford to shoot as much as I do if I didnt reload.

40 caliber bullets (just the bullet, not loaded ammo) are on average 25% less. And 9mm bullets are another 18-25% cheaper than that. *That* is my point.

MD357
11-23-2010, 14:10
Compare 20K (one years worth of ammo for an average competitive shooter) worth of ammo.

I say the 40 is much cheaper.


Heck, if you shoot half that or even a quarter you'd save a significant amount of money.

hercster
11-23-2010, 21:11
Night Hawk Custom will produce some of their models in 40. They list it as an upgrade for $200.00 It wasn't available for the Predator II I ordered or I would have been tempted. Their catalogue shows it as an option on the Talon, GRP and Enforcer models.

WellArmedSheep
11-23-2010, 22:29
Heck, if you shoot half that or even a quarter you'd save a significant amount of money.

And be very bored. :yawn:

WellArmedSheep
11-23-2010, 22:32
There are a good number of shooters in USPSA shooting 1911's in .40 in Single Stack. Reason being, they probably already load .40 for their Limited guns, and being able to use the same load for two guns/divisions is awfully convenient.

NoJoy
11-24-2010, 00:29
I also have been looking real close at the STI Trojan in 40. If it is just as accurate as their other calibers, then it should be a go.

auto45
11-24-2010, 04:57
If you reload, the 40 has cheaper brass...maybe 1/2-1/3 the cost..depends!!

Bullets...depends what you use, but the 180 gr 40 is about $5.00 cheaper per thousand than a 200 ACP...that's it!

The 40 in a single stack is not as reliable as the ACP...overall. That means there will be "individual" examples of reliable SS 40's.

Even STI, which specializes in competition 1911's, sells very few 40 single stacks. Most other companies don't even sell one...and I doubt they ever will.

doneroman
11-24-2010, 07:18
You know, as much as I would love to debate this with you, your avatar always has me on the floor LMAO first. :supergrin:

Serva is building pistols that A LOT of folks love. Some of them are in .40 as the OP requested info. on.

I have not personally built a 1911 platform pistol. Everyone in these forums makes it sound easy to build an accurate and reliable 1911 in your basement?


It's not a pot shot, what I said is reality and many PROFESSIONALS have said the same thing. Dave Severns did a detailed 1911 comparison thread over on 1911forum and if you know what you are looking at, it's a fact. Those guns are not well built for the price range they are in, they are pieced together. BS had a history of cutting corners when he was at DW too.

Hoser
11-24-2010, 08:51
Bullets...depends what you use, but the 180 gr 40 is about $5.00 cheaper per thousand than a 200 ACP...that's it!

From the Montana Gold Bullets Website.
https://secure.mooseweb.com/montanagoldbullet.com/pricelist.tpl

45 230 FMJs are $172 per thou.

40 180 FMJs are $132 per thou.

A little savings here and there adds up...

MD357
11-24-2010, 09:18
Serva is building pistols that A LOT of folks love. Some of them are in .40 as the OP requested info. on

I do know this, he builds a LOT of sub par "customs" too. Seen them in person and I've seen reports here. YOU can't see reports on other forums because if you post anything negative, the post is deleted and you are banned. I honestly wouldn't trust him with odd ball calibers, heck he recently started asking basic questions about 9x23 on the forums, yet he will build you one?

I have not personally built a 1911 platform pistol. Everyone in these forums makes it sound easy to build an accurate and reliable 1911 in your basement?


That's a flawed argument. I can't build you a car but I do know the difference between a Kia and Lexus. Personally, I've never said anything about building a 1911 being easy. In fact it's my understanding of the difficulty of process that allows me to make the statements I have. Even more, individuals MUCH smarter than me when it comes to 1911s, make the similar statements.

brisk21
11-24-2010, 09:35
Is it that the .40 is too "snappy" for the 1911?LOL!!! For me, wal mart sells .40 for $15 a box, and .45 is $17. I'll just stick with .45 for my 1911s.

FLIPPER 348
11-24-2010, 09:40
Personally, I've never said anything about building a 1911 being easy.


It is not difficult to build a reliable 1911 but it takes a bit of time, ability and quality parts/components.

thebriarman
11-24-2010, 10:35
Les Baer all the way! Here's a link http://www.lesbaer.com/HC40.html

MD357
11-24-2010, 11:14
It is not difficult to build a reliable 1911 but it takes a bit of time, ability and quality parts/components.

So easy a Caveman can do it? :supergrin:

Speaking of which, I've always wanted to see some of your builds.

nolt
11-24-2010, 13:41
he recently started asking basic questions about 9x23 on the forums, yet he will build you one?


i remember that thread. BS's responses to Chuck Warner were classic. :rofl:

.45Super-Man
11-24-2010, 14:11
I've always strongly preferred to have something in the caliber it was originally designed around. I also like the fact that the 1911 in 45acp is easily converted to 45 Super which hits quite a bit harder than the 40 and at far lower chamber pressures. This offers a level of versatility not found with the 40 and turns the 1911 into more than a "people gun".

FLIPPER 348
11-24-2010, 15:35
So easy a Caveman can do it? :supergrin:

.


If I can do it a caveman sure could!!

I only make GI style 1911s for ball ammo use. Making one that will feed HPs might be a bit harder.


used Colt trigger, new Essex/Colt/EGW/Fusion/Brown everything else

FLIPPER 348
11-24-2010, 15:56
Another lower set up the same way with a WW2 era (or earlier) slide I found at a garage sale a few months back.

BuckyP
11-24-2010, 17:21
If I can do it a caveman sure could!!

I only make GI style 1911s for ball ammo use. Making one that will feed HPs might be a bit harder.


used Colt trigger, new Essex/Colt/EGW/Fusion/Brown everything else

Wow, talk about your short triggers. :shocked:

FLIPPER 348
11-24-2010, 18:43
That short trigger and the arched MSH fit my hand perfectly. It's nice to have all your 1911s point the exact same. Those old Colt triggers used to be pretty common on ebay but not so much anymore. I have two more in the goody box.

doneroman
11-24-2010, 20:43
I HAVE seen the negative reports on Fusion builds in those forums and Bob or one of his guys takes care of them with a shipping label, when the OP actually behaves like a person. Those people were not banned or having posts deleted until the -pathic case of "hail salad" came along with a mouth full of STD rabies for Bob's balls.

I was not posting an argument point, per building 1911s in the basement, stating my observations that most here seem to allude to being a better 1911 builder than the good folks at Fusion.

Again, back to the OP's thread: Fusion and STI build 1911s in .40 S&W. Go to www.DawsonPrecision.com (http://www.DawsonPrecision.com) and look at the Limited section. 5 different models of .40 alone. Nice pistols.




I do know this, he builds a LOT of sub par "customs" too. Seen them in person and I've seen reports here. YOU can't see reports on other forums because if you post anything negative, the post is deleted and you are banned. I honestly wouldn't trust him with odd ball calibers, heck he recently started asking basic questions about 9x23 on the forums, yet he will build you one?



That's a flawed argument. I can't build you a car but I do know the difference between a Kia and Lexus. Personally, I've never said anything about building a 1911 being easy. In fact it's my understanding of the difficulty of process that allows me to make the statements I have. Even more, individuals MUCH smarter than me when it comes to 1911s, make the similar statements.

HAIL CAESAR
11-24-2010, 20:53
Hail Salad here,

Got a whole new bunch of "Fusion Horror Stories" to repost if you all want.

Seems Bobby uses decent parts, just doesn't know ( or don't care) about putting them in correctly.

If you like drop in part guns and don't know the difference....Fusion is a great option. Not so good at all although if you have a problem as you get the royal run around.

Another report yesterday of a member who's barrel bushing broke.....and Bob yelled at him on the phone and said "I'm Busy!!!!". And I have gotten a few reports of bushings breaking...and independent smiths saying they have the hardness of "Chinese Pot Metal".:rofl:

MD357
11-24-2010, 22:09
If I can do it a caveman sure could!!

I only make GI style 1911s for ball ammo use. Making one that will feed HPs might be a bit harder.


used Colt trigger, new Essex/Colt/EGW/Fusion/Brown everything else


Everything looks really good. Although I wouldn't be using Essex but we already knew that. :wavey:

thecableguy
11-24-2010, 22:11
Hail Salad here
:rofl::rofl:



Another report yesterday of a member who's barrel bushing broke.....and Bob yelled at him on the phone and said "I'm Busy!!!!".

Do tell.

MD357
11-24-2010, 22:18
I HAVE seen the negative reports on Fusion builds in those forums and Bob or one of his guys takes care of them with a shipping label, when the OP actually behaves like a person.

He didn't take care of the local guy I shoot IDPA with. It took him something like six months to get everything straight. Of course you see several stories online that are similar, I'm sure they all are just disturbed people and Fusion is a victim. :whistling:


I was not posting an argument point, per building 1911s in the basement, stating my observations that most here seem to allude to being a better 1911 builder than the good folks at Fusion.


I don't honestly know how you could conclude that. I think everyone is just relaying that they don't put out a quality product relative to their competition or at their particular price point. I don't see where anyone stated they in particular could build one better.

HAIL CAESAR
11-24-2010, 22:24
Fusion just started paying for return shipping a couple of months ago because a member of another forum called them out. I don't know if Fusion is paying for return shipping, just that they said they have set up the system.

Actually caught Bobby in a lie as he said he had been paying for return shipping for years. Then a BUNCH of people responded that they were refused return shipping from Fusion and had to fork it over out of their pockets. Then....the thread was deleted.

HAIL CAESAR
11-24-2010, 22:26
I just want to say again, I thought maybe my situation was a FLUKE.

Then I found out that my POS gun and POS service from Fusion was far from rare.

remat
11-25-2010, 06:09
I bet the OP is sorry he asked :)
Dang it, now I want one on of those STI's though!

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 06:56
I bet the OP is sorry he asked :)
Dang it, now I want one on of those STI's though!

Nah, I was just wondering why more people didn't own/shoot them. As far as I am concerned...everyone has, and is entitled to their own opinion. :thumbsup:

remat
11-25-2010, 15:15
Nah, I was just wondering why more people didn't own/shoot them. As far as I am concerned...everyone has, and is entitled to their own opinion. :thumbsup:

That is a great attitude. I really like shooting 40 in my 5", and in fact want one in a 3-4" now :)