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1SGMP
11-18-2010, 06:54
Hi All
I was wondering if anyone here has taken deer size game with a 40 cal. If so what ammo did you use? how far away? etc etc.

thanks
1SG

K.Kiser
11-18-2010, 15:53
I wouldn't recommend it, unless you are close enough for a head or neck shot... Sure it will kill one with a heart/lung shot, but IMO it's below the minimum for a reliable, clean, ethical hunting... It you decide to use it I would use whichever bullet penetrates the best... This probably excludes the top-o-the-line self defense rounds with huge hollowpoints... In terms of weight, I would probably say the 180's or maybe a 165 at the least...

GeorgiaRedfish
11-19-2010, 02:51
I would not use any handgun caliber under 44 mag for deer. For a clean ethical kill

Dennis in MA
11-19-2010, 07:45
A 10mm is 40 caliber.

noway
11-19-2010, 08:32
I would not use any handgun caliber under 44 mag for deer. For a clean ethical kill

triple ditto

Most service caliber are hell on a human for stopping them and plain stupid for hunting. I would say a 41magnum as the bare minimum or a 357magnum with right load and "steady hands" & adequate barrel, for a deer.

Alot of Service calibers are limited by bad sights, limite velocity and piss poor ammo for hunting a deer/lope animal.

alwaysshootin
11-19-2010, 10:00
Don't kid yourself, a 10MM does the job quite nicely on deer! Just look up cookselk new post! A 41 mag may out shine a 10, and a 44 mag certainly does, but the 10 far out shines the .357 mag. Personally I would never hunt deer with a 40 S&W, but some think a .223 is a good choice.:upeyes:

GeorgiaRedfish
11-19-2010, 12:57
Don't kid yourself, a 10MM does the job quite nicely on deer! Just look up cookselk new post! A 41 mag may out shine a 10, and a 44 mag certainly does, but the 10 far out shines the .357 mag. Personally I would never hunt deer with a 40 S&W, but some think a .223 is a good choice.:upeyes:

Smallest rifle caliber: .243
Smallest handgun caliber: .44 mag

At least for me.

K.Kiser
11-20-2010, 16:22
Smallest rifle caliber: .243
Smallest handgun caliber: .44 mag

At least for me.

I agree...

K.Kiser
11-20-2010, 16:25
Don't kid yourself, a 10MM does the job quite nicely on deer! Just look up cookselk new post! A 41 mag may out shine a 10, and a 44 mag certainly does, but the 10 far out shines the .357 mag. Personally I would never hunt deer with a 40 S&W, but some think a .223 is a good choice.:upeyes:

The 10mm does outperform a .357 but not by much.. Only about 50 lbs. of energy and neither is an ethical choice for deer unless the animal very close... Sooner or later in the hunting world these weak cartridges will fail to perform like they have a pair, the animal will suffer and the story will never make it to the computer...

duncan
11-23-2010, 23:33
Good advice here.

40SW was designed as a compromise round since the Norma 10mm was too much for some federal law enforcement agents:crying:

10mm can do the job short range with the right loads and a 16" barrel - Oly Arm 10mm 16" AR carbine is mine for deer.

A Marlin 357 mag guide gun carbine would also work well.

But 9mm, 40SW, 45 acp just are tad short on the FPE needed.

As hunters, clean and decisive kills are the objective. I like to anchor them dead on the spot.

vafish
11-29-2010, 17:21
Deer size varies a lot in the US.

On our small VA deer, especially a young doe or button buck at 25 yards or less I would not have a problem using a .40 S+W. Our VA game laws only require 350 ft lbs of muzzle energy for handgun hunting. So with some loads even a 9MM would be legal.

But your location says MA, so I'm assuming you are talking about larger northern deer. In that case I would be less inclined to use the .40 S+W.

And the big question, is the .40 S+W even legal in the state you want to hunt in? What are the magazine capacity rules for hunting with a handgun?

noway
11-29-2010, 20:08
Deer size varies a lot in the US.

On our small VA deer, especially a young doe or button buck at 25 yards or less I would not have a problem using a .40 S+W. Our VA game laws only require 350 ft lbs of muzzle energy for handgun hunting. So with some loads even a 9MM would be legal.

But your location says MA, so I'm assuming you are talking about larger northern deer. In that case I would be less inclined to use the .40 S+W.

And the big question, is the .40 S+W even legal in the state you want to hunt in? What are the magazine capacity rules for hunting with a handgun?

very good points on size of deer.

If I was hunting a FLA-Key deer than a 40sw would be okay. ANnything else would be heck no.

edit: This is a key deer and no this is not photoshop ;)

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p224564-Florida_Keys_FL-Key_Deer.jpg

another view

http://www.travels.com/Cms/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/26255/320240-main_Full.jpg

RWBlue
11-29-2010, 20:23
very good points on size of deer.

If I was hunting a FLA-Key deer than a 40sw would be okay. ANnything else would be heck no.

edit: This is a key deer and no this is not photoshop ;)

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p224564-Florida_Keys_FL-Key_Deer.jpg

another view

http://www.travels.com/Cms/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/26255/320240-main_Full.jpg

So what type of dog is this?:whistling:



Coming from the land of big deer. I will say that cops finish off many deer with 40S&W, 357Sig, 9mm....... It is a matter of shot placement.

Now, will I hunt with a 40S&W, 357Sig, 9mm.......NO. I have been known to take less than optimal shots because that is all I had and I wanted the meat for the freezer.

vafish
11-30-2010, 16:14
If I was hunting a FLA-Key deer.......

I thought the Key Deer were a federally protected species?


Oh and Key Deer are descendants of the VA Whitetailed deer.

noway
12-02-2010, 16:08
I thought the Key Deer were a federally protected species?


Oh and Key Deer are descendants of the VA Whitetailed deer.

Yes they are. That about the appropiate size game for a .40cal SW handgun imho. About the size of a large dog and rarely over 65lbs.

jrh3
12-03-2010, 03:23
Yes they are. That about the appropiate size game for a .40cal SW handgun imho. About the size of a large dog and rarely over 65lbs.

Yes the fla deer are small but there are also monster sized deer in FL. Here in alabama 65 lb. deer are considered small.

If im not mistaken its not legal to hunt deer with small caliber handguns in Alabama.

Kegs
12-03-2010, 04:12
.357 mag minimum for deer. 10mm is for all realistic purposes, is about the same as a .357 mag in terms of energy.

Speer lists .357 mag loads for silhouette that completely blow 10mm away. Those loads can be shot in certain revolver makes and models (so not just contender/encore loads).

40 s&w is a little light for deer, but if you REALLY know what you are doing, you can load 40 s&w up to .44 mag power.

This is not for the recoil sensitive or "book load" person. :supergrin:

Also, there are quite a few people out there who have killed deer with the .40 s&w, but (again) it is not a good choice.

RWBlue
12-03-2010, 16:28
40 s&w is a little light for deer, but if you REALLY know what you are doing, you can load 40 s&w up to .44 mag power.


Please post more on this.

CanyonMan
12-03-2010, 18:13
Please post more on this.
but if you REALLY know what you are doing, you can load 40 s&w up to .44 mag power



:shame: No you cannot ! Period!




CM

noway
12-04-2010, 18:18
:shame: No you cannot ! Period!




CM

sure you can, it's a self-destructive bomb :rofl:

CanyonMan
12-05-2010, 09:51
sure you can, it's a self-destructive bomb :rofl:


Some one once said: "A picture is worth a thousand words" !

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1205001041.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1205001042.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1205001042b.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1205001043a.jpg




Stay safe out there boys ! ;)






CanyonMan

Michigun
12-05-2010, 11:47
G17 9mm -vs- 2-1/2 year-old (large) Michigan buck:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817217&highlight=9mm

CanyonMan
12-05-2010, 12:44
G17 9mm -vs- 2-1/2 year-old (large) Michigan buck:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817217&highlight=9mm




I'm glad MG brought this thread back up. Although NOT a fan of 9mm hunting, I still congratulate MG on a fine job and story here, two years back... haha

My point here is that on CC forum, the 147gr in a 9mm is looked down on pretty bad by most. I do not carry a 9mm, but when I do, I always stuff that boy with 147gr ammo.

My point here is to say this is encouraging to me "again," to see the heavier 147gr do such a really great job. It really performed well, and got great penetration. Shedding the jacket ? Be nice if it had not, BUT, that did not matter in this case as the 147gr still did a great job, and I am confident in the weight for those rare times I do carry a 9mil to town that the 147gr will work well on BG's as well.

The test I have run on them, and some really good amigos over on CC, has proven over and over, of the great effectiveness of this 147gr weight bullet in the 9mm.

Thanks MG for the reminder ! ;) I'm giving this link to those who want to join us on a CC thread called: Furniture bullet penetration test http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1188579

Lots of pages, and lots of horseing around by some of us, BUT, tons of really great info through the entire thread. I'm going to pop this link/story, over there as well, for the 147gr skeptics. :supergrin:



Good hunting all !




CM

K.Kiser
12-05-2010, 18:41
:shame: No you cannot ! Period!




CM

I've had a .40, and have had two .44's and I curious as to these loads... There are some real talented guys out there that put me to shame in all directions, but I'm a student of the sport and would like to see more... My weak .44 loads would be a handful for my .40's in a cage match... My hot .44's blow f'n fireballs in broad daylight out of My 8+ model 29 and hit pretty stiffly...

CanyonMan
12-05-2010, 19:55
I've had a .40, and have had two .44's and I curious as to these loads... There are some real talented guys out there that put me to shame in all directions, but I'm a student of the sport and would like to see more... My weak .44 loads would be a handful for my .40's in a cage match... My hot .44's blow f'n fireballs in broad daylight out of My 8+ model 29 and hit pretty stiffly...



I've been shooting 44mags since I was a kid. I am almost 60 now. I been reloading for them for over 40 + years. There is NO WAY you are going to get 44mag performance from a 40 S&W. There is nothing "talented" about it, it is purely ridiculous. No one is going to match the 44mag with a 40S&W load. If we need to really get waaaaay down deep into all this ballistic info, I'll do 'er, hope we don't go there for my times sake. But this is a not only ridiculous but extremely dangerous to say the very least, plus it will never make it anyway.

That is simply my short version. :wavey:







Good shooting amigo !






CM

noway
12-06-2010, 15:39
Listen to CanyonMan, very wise words , der in that post. Anybody remotely thinking they can get 44mag performance out of a service duty round, needs to be taken out back and shot. That includes the 10mm crowd that will chime in and say a 10mm can do it also :upeyes:

Your talking to very different round, different bullet weights and case capacity.

CoyoteDrifter
01-02-2011, 15:03
A 40 S&W, as with most defensive pistol cartidges, will kill a deer, but with NO margin for error. The shot would need to be through the central nervous system or heart. If it goes through the heart, the deer may still go a long way before dropping because it will be more like a pucture wound from an arrow. Before attempting to take a deer it would be wise to be able to hold a 1.25 inch group at your intended range and know a the antomy of a deer from all angles. I have shot deer with catridges that have minimal hydrostatic shock capability. It is a decision that should be made very carefully right down to how accurate you think you can be on that particular day. When I wake up in the morning if I don't feel %110 confident in my shooting abilites then I won't take a handgun into the woods. A deer could probably live for days after being improperly shot with catridge like the 40S&W. I really hate to see an animal suffer.