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u4ea
11-18-2010, 07:58
I have a G19 and a G17 right now. I have a feeling once I buy my TRP that I will never even touch the Glocks again. Do you guys still keep some other lower end guns around, or can a 1911 do anything a Glock/XD/Beretta can do and there is no place for them? I am sure people will say "sell the Glocks and buy ammo for your TRP", and maybe I should sell them and buy several hundred dollars in .45 hollow points and a year's worth of range ammo. My Glocks are both MINT condition, so I am worried that if I sell them and miss them, I'll have to pay full price to get replacements for them in this shape.

Did you guys sell your lower end guns and regret it, or never look back?

Bill Lumberg
11-18-2010, 08:05
No, they don't. for law enforcment use anyway. But they're awesome in their own right.

u4ea
11-18-2010, 08:07
No, they don't. for law enforcment use anyway. But they're awesome in their own right.

What about for a normal guy like me? What can my G17 do that my TRP I will be buying soon can't? (besides shoot cheap 9mm ammo)

drc767
11-18-2010, 08:08
The Glocks are pretty much the ONLY thing my 1911's have not replaced. If you accept them for what they are, the Glock is a fantastic defensive handgun.

samuse
11-18-2010, 08:08
You should keep the Glocks if you use them. I got rid of my fullsize Glocks because I didn't carry them and I can shoot my 19 just as good as the 17.

The Glock 19 is much easier to carry than a 1911. It's more concealable and the weight difference is a huge deal day after day.

1911s are my favorite and I enjoy them, but a compact Glock is a lot more convienient for every day use.

1911s are great but keep a Glock around because you'll want a change of pace at the range every now and then.

I switch between Glocks and 1911s with no problems. Some people have trouble with the grip angle and safety difference, but it's never been a problem for me.

You need both.

Cerebrus
11-18-2010, 08:51
I don't sell guns to fund other things..

u4ea
11-18-2010, 08:53
I don't sell guns to fund other things..

I have the cash in hand to buy the TRP, but I am wondering if it's pointless to let my Glocks collect dust since I doubt I'll even use them 2x a year now.

Wade-19
11-18-2010, 09:06
Well, I am a huge Glock fan, but I only have G-19s now. They are IMHO the perfect carry gun. The 1911 is a great gun, but it has not replaced any of my others.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 09:16
I'll always own multiple Glocks, but I prefer carrying a 1911.

I'm just more comfortable with it.

Spiffums
11-18-2010, 09:26
I'll always own multiple Glocks, but I prefer carrying a 1911.

I'm just more comfortable with it.

So you don't just have a 1911 fetish I see........:whistling:

brzusa.1911
11-18-2010, 09:30
The Glocks are pretty much the ONLY thing my 1911's have not replaced. If you accept them for what they are, the Glock is a fantastic defensive handgun.

:goodpost:

brzusa.1911
11-18-2010, 09:33
I have the cash in hand to buy the TRP, but I am wondering if it's pointless to let my Glocks collect dust since I doubt I'll even use them 2x a year now.

I think you will get lots of use from both 1911 and Glocks. I carry my 1911s a lot - daily, but there are times Glocks take over - i.e. If I am outside mowning the grass, getting sweat, going out on the rain, when I go camping my Glock 29 is the main carry and the Glock 26 is the backup inside of the backpack...

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 09:45
I wouldn't go and sell off your Glocks yet give it a year or two if they aren't getting used and you see no point having them around sell them then.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 09:45
So you don't just have a 1911 fetish I see........:whistling:

:rofl:

God no. In fact, most of my autos are not 1911s.

That's not even mentioning revolvers. ;)

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 09:47
:rofl:

God no. In fact, most of my autos are not 1911s.

That's not even mentioning revolvers. ;)

Soooo what's the total in handguns as a whole?

You ever think about doing a complete family picture?

EricandSuebee
11-18-2010, 09:51
I second a vote of family pic Brian of your collection :)

ultra45
11-18-2010, 09:53
Despite what another poster says, a full house (5 inch) 1911 is far easier to conceal than any GLOCK, even the 26/27/36 IMHO. Thin is in. I find my G-19 great if you need capacity. I'd sooner carry a GLOCK 19, 23 or 21 before carrying a double stack 1911 like the Para though.

CombatBarbi
11-18-2010, 09:53
Glocks are lower end guns? we should all be so lucky in other lower end products we buy to be as well designed as a Glock 19, and for the record I wouldn't sell my 19....

u4ea
11-18-2010, 10:01
Glocks are lower end guns?

Aren't they? If they were high end they'd be priced with Sigs. No one gives something away for nothing. If they cost $500 and change, they're middle to low end guns in the big picture. As for duty guns and polymer guns, they are very nice. I've only ever owned Glocks, so it's not like I have a grudge against them.

I think of Glocks like a 16 year old thinks of his first car. It gets the job done, but you're always looking at your friends with nicer and more fun cars and know your car can never do that.

u4ea
11-18-2010, 10:03
bac1023: What do you do for a living? Are you independently wealthy? It's hard to find a topic where you don't post a pic of the gun in question. Seems like you must own hundreds, and if you have that much expendable income it's safe to say you're doing just fine.

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 10:13
bac1023: What do you do for a living? Are you independently wealthy? It's hard to find a topic where you don't post a pic of the gun in question. Seems like you must own hundreds, and if you have that much expendable income it's safe to say you're doing just fine.

I've heard rumors that he's a crack dealing pimp :whistling: :rofl:

CombatBarbi
11-18-2010, 10:24
:whistling: By your logic the TRP your looking as is low end compared to a NH or GC or SVI or Wilson

heitzoflearning
11-18-2010, 10:25
I've heard rumors that he's a crack dealing pimp :whistling: :rofl:
Only if he has a mother of pearl gripped 1911

u4ea
11-18-2010, 10:25
:whistling: By your logic the TRP your looking as is low end compared to a NH or GC or SVI or Wilson

In the grand scheme of things with all handguns, the Glock is a low end gun. In it's CLASS it's as good as it gets. A TRP Operator is far from being the nicest 1911, but I'd argue it's better than ANYTHING Glock has ever and will ever make. The price reflects this.

TKR Reptiles
11-18-2010, 10:26
You should keep the Glocks if you use them. I got rid of my fullsize Glocks because I didn't carry them and I can shoot my 19 just as good as the 17.

The Glock 19 is much easier to carry than a 1911. It's more concealable and the weight difference is a huge deal day after day.

1911s are my favorite and I enjoy them, but a compact Glock is a lot more convienient for every day use.

1911s are great but keep a Glock around because you'll want a change of pace at the range every now and then.

I switch between Glocks and 1911s with no problems. Some people have trouble with the grip angle and safety difference, but it's never been a problem for me.

You need both.

took the words right out of my mouth...

Aren't they? If they were high end they'd be priced with Sigs. No one gives something away for nothing. If they cost $500 and change, they're middle to low end guns in the big picture. As for duty guns and polymer guns, they are very nice. I've only ever owned Glocks, so it's not like I have a grudge against them.

I think of Glocks like a 16 year old thinks of his first car. It gets the job done, but you're always looking at your friends with nicer and more fun cars and know your car can never do that.

you shouldn't base the quality of anything by the price... Sig's are honestly some of the crappiest poly guns out there... The P250 was $700.00+ when it first came out and then it turned out to be the biggest pile of crap out there... Glocks are probably the best built, most reliable poly gun you will ever have IMHO...

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 10:28
In the grand scheme of things with all handguns, the Glock is a low end gun. In it's CLASS it's as good as it gets. A TRP Operator is far from being the nicest 1911, but I'd argue it's better than ANYTHING Glock has ever and will ever make. The price reflects this.

I agree the TRP's I've seen are far superior to any Glock.

tx787
11-18-2010, 10:35
I actually find 1911s and Glocks to complement eachother very well. If I was to only own two pistols I'd want a G17 and 1911 (probably a DW Valor but maybe some tacticooler like a STI Duty One).

Kegs
11-18-2010, 10:36
1911s won't, but 2011s will. :cool:

If I had as much money as you guys, I would never have bought a Glock.

I have a feeling though that once you get a TRP, your Glocks are going to collect dust.

A good 1911 will spoil the heck out of you.

I like compact guns, therefore the commander is my favorite, but since it isn't offered in a caliber that is truly useful for hunting big game, it doesn't meet my criteria.

Maybe one day I will have a commander length 2011 chambered in 10mm made...or just go full out and make it a magnaported .460 rowland.

The 2011 is THE pistol as far as I am concerned.

BlayGlock
11-18-2010, 10:36
The Glocks are pretty much the ONLY thing my 1911's have not replaced. If you accept them for what they are, the Glock is a fantastic defensive handgun.

I agree with DRC. And I rhyme all the time.

ancient_serpent
11-18-2010, 10:49
The Glock 19 is much easier to carry than a 1911. It's more concealable and the weight difference is a huge deal day after day.

You need both.

Ha, I was goign to say that a 1911 type is easier to carry due to it's slimer design. Different for many people, I suppose.
You do need both. I find that the designs both have a place, and tend to compliment each other, rather than replace.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 11:24
Glocks are lower end guns?

Uh yeah, I would certainly call them lower end guns.

That doesn't mean they don't work well, but they're cheaply built and sell at times for under $500. That's lower end in my book.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 11:25
I've heard rumors that he's a crack dealing pimp :whistling: :rofl:

Only if he has a mother of pearl gripped 1911

:rofl:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 11:26
:whistling: By your logic the TRP your looking as is low end compared to a NH or GC or SVI or Wilson

Well sure it is.

The TRP is a good production 1911. It compares well to other production 1911s, not to the models you listed.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 11:27
The Glock 19 is much easier to carry than a 1911.

Since when? :dunno:

Cerebrus
11-18-2010, 11:40
That is kinda like sayin the XD-9mm subcompact is easier to carry and conceal.. I really don't like carryin my XD its just too fat and bulky.. my Kimber Ultra I carry all day and hardly notice until I am getting into my car... but in wetter times like now when I am outside a good deal of the time.. I carry the XD as it was only a $500 gun.. dont care too much if it gets wet or drug through the mud if I take a tumble.. hell I would pack my H&K.. but that puppy is just too big. its a duty gun not a CCW.. point is I like all of my guns.. its just that the 1911 gets more use and carry time, because I like it better. :supergrin:

ambluemax
11-18-2010, 11:45
You got it backwards...the 1911 was around some 70 years before glocks were even invented....glock is trying to replace the 1911!!

As was mentioned in you other thread- 1911's cost more because of the materials and machining that goes into making them. Glocks are quality made-crude gizmo's. If glocks had a metal frame and were machined to the tolerences of a 1911- they'd be spendy shooters too.

As much as I love 1911's, variety is the spice of life. I have other platforms in my stable because I like the change of pace. I'm kind of on the back side of such a trend right now...I've been letting my glock and XD see some daylight as of late, but now I'm ready to get back to being serious with the 1911's with the start of the indoor competition season.

Just hold onto your glocks for awhile...if you really don't use them, sell them later. They don't cost anything to keep...

PlasticGuy
11-18-2010, 12:17
My 1911's have replaced Glocks (and just about every other self loading pistol) in my collection. Why not?

samuse
11-18-2010, 12:41
Since when? :dunno:

Ever since gravity started pulling stuff down.

dhoomonyou
11-18-2010, 12:56
"LOWER END GUNS"

I dont consider a GLOCK a lower end gun.

I lost a lot on a POS Kimber, now that was a lower end experience.

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 13:06
Since when? :dunno:

Ever since gravity started pulling stuff down.

Glock 19
• Width 1.18 in.
• Weight 20.99 oz. unloaded
• Weight 29.98 oz. loaded


Kimber Pro CDP II
• Width 1.28 in.
• Weight 28 oz. unloaded
• Weight loaded isn't on their site so I don't know.


That's what I found looking up the specs. :wavey:

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 13:16
Glock 19
Width 1.18 in.
Weight 20.99 oz. unloaded
Weight 29.98 oz. loaded


Kimber Pro CDP II
Width 1.28 in.
Weight 28 oz. unloaded
Weight loaded isn't on their site so I don't know.


That's what I found looking up the specs. :wavey:

If you can't handle that extra 7oz.....try hitting a weightroom, Nancy.
:nsb:

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 13:20
If you can't handle that extra 7oz.....try hitting a weightroom, Nancy.
:nsb:

I would prefer a steel 5" 1911 I just got curious after the whole G19 is easier to carry comment. :cool:

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 13:23
I would prefer a steel 5" 1911 I just got curious after the whole G19 is easier to carry comment. :cool:

I wasn't talking about you specifically, numbnuts. :rofl:

jrs93accord
11-18-2010, 13:28
I'll always own multiple Glocks, but I prefer carrying a 1911.

I'm just more comfortable with it.

Same here. I have my share of Berettas, Glocks, SIGs, 1911s, and a few other pistols. The 1911s do not replace anything. They accentuate the others. I also prefer carrying a 1911 as well. In addition, my G19 is one of my favorite pistols.

Brucev
11-18-2010, 13:30
Been shooting 1911's since 1979. Started shooting Glocks back about 1995. Currently I have moved to shooting mostly my G-22 and occasionally shooting my 1911. I carry the 22 more often. I like the way it handles and functions. I find it just about ideal for my purposes. Everybody is different. Everybody makes up their own minds about what they prefer. Years ago I had no interest in Glocks and adored 1911's. Now I very much like Glocks... and I still enjoy my 1911. But it does sit a lot in the gun rug. I haven't decided about selling it. That will only happen if I conclude that it no longer meets my needs.

Tactical black
11-18-2010, 13:49
I wasn't talking about you specifically, numbnuts. :rofl:

I wasn't offended before but now that you called me numbnuts :steamed:



























J/k :tongueout: :rofl: :rofl:

EricandSuebee
11-18-2010, 13:52
LOL you two... get a room :)

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 13:53
:aodnsb:

brisk21
11-18-2010, 14:11
glocks and xds aren't low end guns. hi-point and kel-tec are low end guns. price doesnt always reflect quality with guns. glocks and xds are as good or better than any semi auto poly gun, including sig and hk which cost more. don't get cought up in price hype.

MD357
11-18-2010, 14:23
The Glock 19 is much easier to carry than a 1911. It's more concealable and the weight difference is a huge deal day after day.




I disagree. In a Milt Sparks VM2 ( I have one for each size of 1911 and Glock) the Glocks always print more relative to the same size 1911. Weight really isn't that big of a deal to me as I have quality belts and a set of huevos.

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 14:23
glocks and xds are as good or better than any semi auto poly gun, including sig and hk which cost more. don't get cought up in price hype.

Seriously? Ease off the Kool-Aid bro. :thumbsup:

I'm not knocking Glock. At their pricepoint, they are very good value for a simply designed, reliable polymer pistol. But saying they are "better" than HK is just silly. Fit, finish, and ergos are clearly not even comparable.

...and Glock vs Sig is apples/oranges.

MD357
11-18-2010, 14:26
you shouldn't base the quality of anything by the price... Sig's are honestly some of the crappiest poly guns out there... The P250 was $700.00+ when it first came out and then it turned out to be the biggest pile of crap out there... Glocks are probably the best built, most reliable poly gun you will ever have IMHO...

There are several reliable and quality Poly platforms out there, including Steyr, M&P, XD, XDM, H&K and SIg Pro. Glocks are great, I can't get away from them either but I don't drink so much koolaid it distorts my vision. :cool:

Quack
11-18-2010, 14:29
bac1023: What do you do for a living? Are you independently wealthy? It's hard to find a topic where you don't post a pic of the gun in question. Seems like you must own hundreds, and if you have that much expendable income it's safe to say you're doing just fine.

he was Bernie Madoff's partner :whistling:

Quack
11-18-2010, 14:32
I think that the OP meant lower priced guns.

i used to have doubles & triples of Glocks, but now down to 1. i used to like them and shot them well (and still do).

I've also had other polymers that i liked, but they just sit in the safe most of the time, so they are the first to go up for sale because they are a dime a dozen.

Choose a platform and know how to use it.

HAIL CAESAR
11-18-2010, 14:39
Ever since gravity started pulling stuff down.

Hahahaha, that was hilarious.:rofl:

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 14:40
he was Bernie Madoff's partner :whistling:

:rofl:

I still think he lives in his parent's basement and takes pics of his dad's Lotus and fancy gun collection. He probably has to move the air mattress out of the way for all of those carpet pics. :whistling:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 15:11
Ever since gravity started pulling stuff down.

Wow.

My aluminum Kimber feels light as well and thinner than my G19.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 15:14
Glock 19
Width 1.18 in.
Weight 20.99 oz. unloaded
Weight 29.98 oz. loaded


Kimber Pro CDP II
Width 1.28 in.
Weight 28 oz. unloaded
Weight loaded isn't on their site so I don't know.


That's what I found looking up the specs. :wavey:

The difference in unloaded weight is exactly 5.3oz. I own both and put them both on a digital scale.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 15:16
I wasn't talking about you specifically, numbnuts. :rofl:

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 15:17
he was Bernie Madoff's partner :whistling:

:animlol:

samuse
11-18-2010, 15:25
Wow.

My aluminum Kimber feels light as well and thinner than my G19.

I was talkin' about fullsize steel 1911s.

I don't need to be thinkin' about alloy framed 4" 1911s. My habit is bad enough already!

bac1023
11-18-2010, 15:34
I was talkin' about fullsize steel 1911s.

I don't need to be thinkin' about alloy framed 4" 1911s. My habit is bad enough already!

LOL! Gotcha.

ancient_serpent
11-18-2010, 15:37
Glock 19
Width 1.18 in.
Weight 20.99 oz. unloaded
Weight 29.98 oz. loaded


Kimber Pro CDP II
Width 1.28 in.
Weight 28 oz. unloaded
Weight loaded isn't on their site so I don't know.


That's what I found looking up the specs. :wavey:

I own one of each of these weapons. I also have identical Milt Sparks Versa Max II holsters for both of them. The Kimber is much more comfortable to CC than the Glock, IMHO.

brisk21
11-18-2010, 15:37
Seriously? Ease off the Kool-Aid bro. :thumbsup:

I'm not knocking Glock. At their pricepoint, they are very good value for a simply designed, reliable polymer pistol. But saying they are "better" than HK is just silly. Fit, finish, and ergos are clearly not even comparable.

...and Glock vs Sig is apples/oranges.


No koolaid here. I have many different brands of handguns. Im not saying they are better. I am saying they are just as good a firearm overall as a hk or sig. they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but overall the price difference really isn't justified. I feel that Glocks could sell for a little more and HKs and Sigs would sell even better if they were a little less. As far as apples and oranges I guess you could say that about alot of comparisons here but what it really boils down to is they are all semi-auto handguns built for combat/duty/self defense. you can always compare different designs built for the same purpose. When you look at combat/duty/self defense, I like glock the best, personally. I'll admit that. But I feel that Sig, HK, XD, CZ, FN, Ruger, and several others are just as good. (ok, Im not talking Ruger, but you get my point) My biggest thing about Glocks is the simplicity of them.

tx787
11-18-2010, 15:45
It's almost time someone mentions the 45 GAP as the best of both worlds...

bac1023
11-18-2010, 16:01
I'm not knocking Glock. At their pricepoint, they are very good value for a simply designed, reliable polymer pistol. But saying they are "better" than HK is just silly. Fit, finish, and ergos are clearly not even comparable.



Yeah, I agree.

Comparing a Glock to, say, an HK P30 shows a big difference in quality and workmanship.

drc767
11-18-2010, 16:14
Yeah, I agree.

Comparing a Glock to, say, an HK P30 shows a big difference in quality and workmanship.

.....and trigger feel....

bac1023
11-18-2010, 16:17
.....and trigger feel....

That too, Dave. Having said that, some prefer the Glock trigger to a DA/SA setup.

bac1023
11-18-2010, 16:40
"LOWER END GUNS"

I dont consider a GLOCK a lower end gun.

I lost a lot on a POS Kimber, now that was a lower end experience.

What would you call it then, a high end gun? :rofl:

Its a $500 pistol. Believe me, its low end. Low end doesn't mean poorly built. It means inexpensive, in my eyes anyway.

In the polymer world, its mid priced, if that makes you feel better. :whistling:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 16:42
Soooo what's the total in handguns as a whole?

You ever think about doing a complete family picture?

I second a vote of family pic Brian of your collection :)

I can't do that guys. :)

I have a family 1911 pic and I'll get a family revolver pic at some point, but not the other stuff and certainly not everything together.

.45Super-Man
11-18-2010, 16:45
I have a G19 and a G17 right now. I have a feeling once I buy my TRP that I will never even touch the Glocks again. Do you guys still keep some other lower end guns around, or can a 1911 do anything a Glock/XD/Beretta can do and there is no place for them? I am sure people will say "sell the Glocks and buy ammo for your TRP", and maybe I should sell them and buy several hundred dollars in .45 hollow points and a year's worth of range ammo. My Glocks are both MINT condition, so I am worried that if I sell them and miss them, I'll have to pay full price to get replacements for them in this shape.

Did you guys sell your lower end guns and regret it, or never look back?

You're WRONG and I totally disagree! You WILL touch them again after you get the TRP! You'll have to, in order to place them back in their "clamshells" and take them back to a dealer or gunshow(your pick).:embarassed:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 16:47
You're WRONG and I totally disagree! You WILL touch them again after you get the TRP! You'll have to, in order to place them back in their "clamshells" and take them back to a dealer or gunshow(your pick).:embarassed:

:animlol:

.45Super-Man
11-18-2010, 16:51
What would you call it then, a high end gun? :rofl:

Its a $500 pistol. Believe me, its low end. Low end doesn't mean poorly built. It means inexpensive, in my eyes anyway.

In the polymer world, its mid priced, if that makes you feel better. :whistling:

It IS high end and you know it! All one has to do is look at the stock sights that Glock supplies as standard. And you know that front sight will never come off, hell I saw a guy on tv put one drop of that stuff on his hardhat and hang from a steel girder!:dunno:

carguy2244
11-18-2010, 20:22
Quality of craftsmanship, hand fitting, limited availability, and price are objective descriptions.
"High end" on the other hand, is a relative description. A Supermatch to an SRP, an SRP to a Supergrade, a Supergrade to a PD...
By this definition, a Glock is a low end weapon.
A six pack of Michelob costs $5. A bottle of Dom costs $175. One is low end, one is high end. They each have a function, and some prefer the low end for reasons other than budget.
I've shot 100s of thousands of reliable, accurate rounds with Glocks. The bullet hits the paper or steel with same impact as it would out of a "High end" gun. The Glock carries better than most, not as well as some, but no gun is comfortable to carry concealed. Refer to Clint Smith's comments on the comfort of CCW. If you plan on carrying, you'll be hard pressed to carry a more reliable weapon than a Glock. The utilitarian purpose of a gun is to launch a projectile. A TRP won't do that any better than a Glock. You want artwork and individualism, that's another story.
Should you sell your Glocks? Is the TRP a good gun for you?
Why do you need to ask what to buy, and what to sell, and then validate your decisions based on the opinions of others?
Decide for yourself.

TxGun
11-18-2010, 20:43
Why do you need to ask what to buy, and what to sell, and then validate your decisions based on the opinions of others?
Decide for yourself.

That would be my question, too. And my advice. Why base any decision on the concensus of strangers, each with their own personal opinions and biases?

Good, logical overall post, BTW.

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 20:56
That would be my question, too. And my advice. Why base any decision on the concensus of strangers, each with their own personal opinions and biases?

Good, logical overall post, BTW.

Well, except his assumption of Dom being "high end". :tongueout:

bac1023
11-18-2010, 20:58
Well, except his assumption of Dom being "high end". :tongueout:

:rofl:

glock2740
11-18-2010, 21:25
To answer the OP's question. Absolutely NOT. I love 1911's AND Glocks. I also like XD's and M&P's, but the 1911 and Glock are my favorite two pistol platforms.

Hokie1911
11-18-2010, 21:28
To answer the OP's question. Absolutely NOT. I love 1911's AND Glocks. I also like XD's and M&P's, but the 1911 and Glock are my favorite two pistol platforms.

You like Glocks? Who knew? :dunno:

powder86
11-18-2010, 21:49
someone else may have pointed this out... and this isnt to be a tool, but what about glocks is low end? i know they're not expensive, but as far as a tough reliable high quality tool, can't get better. i love 1911s, but other than price, i've never viewed a glock as a "low end" gun.
maybe i misunderstood your statement.

JK-linux
11-18-2010, 22:19
1911's are awesome. Given my druthers, I'd want my 1911 9 times out of ten if I were shooting for my life. However, a 1911 doesn't always fit into what I'm doing or where I'm going. Glocks, snubbies, rifles and even knives all have their place for me. So, while I prefer a 1911, it doesn't necessarily replace a Glock for me when a Glock is appropriate. 1911's aren't de facto higher end weapons than Glocks IMHO, they just generally cost more new.

TxGun
11-18-2010, 22:36
A really nice 1911 is like a Mercedes. Timeless design, proven like no other, powerful, reliable, beautiful lines, and can be customized (like AMGs) into a true work of art. It's up for just about any duty you want to give it. I mean, what is there not to like? It is, without question, the iconic handgun in a world of many pretenders, and has been for a very large part of it's 100 years.

Glocks are kind of like your work truck. They may get a little beat-up looking over time, but they always start. They'll run all day in all kinds of weather. They shake off minor fender-benders. You can cover them with mud...hell, you can run over them...they'll still work. They can sit outside all night in the rain, ice, whatever...it won't hurt them. They'll start up tomorrow morning just like they did today. They'll certainly never be the prettiest vehicle on the block, or have the most options...or ever be a work of art, but they'll haul your a** out of trouble anytime you ask them to, and be one of the last to quit running when conditions get really nasty.

There roles for both, IMO.

knedrgr
11-18-2010, 22:46
My Glocks are both MINT condition, so I am worried that if I sell them and miss them, I'll have to pay full price to get replacements for them in this shape.

And you can certainly find LNIB Glocks 5 or 10 years from now, so you can add them back to your collection.

Did you guys sell your lower end guns and regret it, or never look back?

Haven't regret any guns I'd sold. Then it has always been a stepping stone toward the gun I want.

And as far as having a discussion of how "good" a glock is vs everything other pistols, yeah, we'll be having that discussion until someone events a laser pistol. Then I think we will still be having a discussion about "did you replace your Glock 1000 with the Phazer 4000PXLS..." Seriously...

Chevy327
11-19-2010, 00:00
I, too, like both platforms but have asked myself the same question.

Since the 1911 will be new to you, I'd keep the Glocks for at least a few months to make sure I didn't want to use them sometimes.

If I'm going to work outdoors or doing alot of lifting and moving objects where the sidearm may get beat around some, I carry a Glock and leave the Baer or Springfield Custom at home. The Glocks have a place. I think you'll regret it if you sell them.

This is a great thread!

BEER
11-19-2010, 08:30
to me the 1911 vs. glock debate is the same as a zippo vs. bic debate. both serve the same purpose but each one does so with a different style.

glocks/bics are better suited for enviroments where you need function over form.

1911's/zippos are better suited when you still need function, but you also want to flash a little style and class.

so in the traditional gun forum style i'd say "get both". it never hurts to have the right tool for the right job

brisk21
11-19-2010, 09:41
to me the 1911 vs. glock debate is the same as a zippo vs. bic debate. both serve the same purpose but each one does so with a different style.

glocks/bics are better suited for enviroments where you need function over form.

1911's/zippos are better suited when you still need function, but you also want to flash a little style and class.

so in the traditional gun forum style i'd say "get both". it never hurts to have the right tool for the right job


I couldn't say it better myself. Bic/Zippo is a great analogy for that. Ive been trying to think of one but that is spot on. When I smoked I definatley had both.

Hokie1911
11-19-2010, 10:08
I don't smoke, yet own a Zippo with my kids initials engraved. :dunno:

u4ea
11-19-2010, 16:26
That would be my question, too. And my advice. Why base any decision on the concensus of strangers, each with their own personal opinions and biases?

Good, logical overall post, BTW.

I learned at a young age to listen to those with more knowledge than me, and to take their advice. I am just asking for opinions on things I have no experience with. I'd rather find out the info now instead of buying something that won't fit for me.

Cobra64
11-19-2010, 18:18
I wouldn't go and sell off your Glocks yet give it a year or two if they aren't getting used and you see no point having them around sell them then.

Ditto that. There have been times when I was tempted to sell a gun; and fortunately, resisted the temptation after taking it to the range and discovering once again why I bought it in the first place.

TxGun
11-19-2010, 18:22
I learned at a young age to listen to those with more knowledge than me, and to take their advice. I am just asking for opinions on things I have no experience with. I'd rather find out the info now instead of buying something that won't fit for me.

Your call, of course. I was just advising caution since, on the internet, you're simply taking it on faith that the respondents have more knowledge or experience than you do. And that they are being honest and not projecting their own biases on you. Whatever the question, whichever forum. Point: not quite the same thing as asking the opinions of a trusted friend or two. Or finding someone whose credentials to answer your questions are more than just internet hearsay. All that is obvious. But hey, don't take my word for it :supergrin:.

rockabillyrider
11-19-2010, 18:41
I have a G19 and a G17 right now. I have a feeling once I buy my TRP that I will never even touch the Glocks again. Do you guys still keep some other lower end guns around, or can a 1911 do anything a Glock/XD/Beretta can do and there is no place for them? I am sure people will say "sell the Glocks and buy ammo for your TRP", and maybe I should sell them and buy several hundred dollars in .45 hollow points and a year's worth of range ammo. My Glocks are both MINT condition, so I am worried that if I sell them and miss them, I'll have to pay full price to get replacements for them in this shape.

Did you guys sell your lower end guns and regret it, or never look back?

Your really starting to become quite annoying. Give us a range report when you get the TRP. I can't wait.

Quack
11-19-2010, 18:43
Your really starting to become quite annoying. Give us a range report when you get the TRP. I can't wait.

:rofl:

Angry Fist
11-19-2010, 18:46
In the grand scheme of things with all handguns, the Glock is a low end gun. In it's CLASS it's as good as it gets. A TRP Operator is far from being the nicest 1911, but I'd argue it's better than ANYTHING Glock has ever and will ever make. The price reflects this.
Alright, bud... I promise to read the rest of this thread after posting this....

I own very few firearms. But have had many. My fav, as many here know, is a G20. You're gunna have a real hard time showing me a handgun that is as accurate, has *high* capacity and level of firepower, has the level of flexibility (all those conversions) and options (if needed), and the inherent durability of a Glock, under $700... ( I used to say $1000) Just try. You will fail.

It is certainly not as difficult to conceal as most any other handgun.

It is the best combat pistol designed for the modern age.

It is stupid to sell guns in the first place. Unless you absolutely have to.

In the end, I still can't wait to get my first 1911....

Tactical black
11-19-2010, 19:00
Your really starting to become quite annoying. Give us a range report when you get the TRP. I can't wait.

What's that suppose to mean?

mrsurfboard
11-19-2010, 19:11
I keep my G36 for CCW because it's light and operates the same as my duty weapon, but that's about it. I sold my G27. I prefer shooting my Kimber then anything else I own.

rockabillyrider
11-19-2010, 19:21
What's that suppose to mean?


The OP's original question is just goofy from the git go, and four pages later he's still getting a back rub. Next it will be four pages of trying to explain how to clean the TRP. Oh, I forgot about the break in period for such a pistol. Can't wait for that one.

craig19
11-19-2010, 21:47
A $500 plus pistol is "low end". I thought High points were low end. Then again I don't have cash to have a $5,000 custom pistol made for me, so what the hell do I know?

ricsha
11-19-2010, 22:22
I appreciate the discussion in this thread, along with the good-natured ribbing. Got me to thinking a lot about my Glocks, which I haven't shot so much, since I picked up a couple of very nice 1911's.

But when I thought about it, several of the posters were correct. When I'm banging around, and whatever I'm carrying in likely to get banged around too, I still fall back to carrying a Glock.

In spite of my love for 1911's, there is still a place for Glocks.

TxGun
11-19-2010, 22:28
I appreciate the discussion in this thread, along with the good-natured ribbing. Got me to thinking a lot about my Glocks, which I haven't shot so much, since I picked up a couple of very nice 1911's.

But when I thought about it, several of the posters were correct. When I'm banging around, and whatever I'm carrying in likely to get banged around too, I still fall back to carrying a Glock.

In spite of my love for 1911's, there is still a place for Glocks.

Good to have options.

Tucson_1
11-19-2010, 23:22
What about for a normal guy like me? What can my G17 do that my TRP I will be buying soon can't? (besides shoot cheap 9mm ammo)

Your Glock 17 can carry a whole lot more rounds in a single magazine, not require nearly the maintenance that a 1911 does, provide a very simple highly reliable platform that is easy to operate when in a stressful situation... Is lighter than said 1911 for EDC. 1911s are great guns. Glock pistols are great guns. Own both.

magiaaron
11-20-2010, 01:33
It's funny that you are looking for a TRP. I just bought my first 1911 last week and it was... a TRP! It shoots wonderfully, but I asked myself if it was really going to replace my XD45 or G19 and the answer was no. It hits what I point at, but so do my other guns. They, however, carry twice the number of rounds as my TRP, and I like that immensely. A guy I know was arguing that if you look at the statistics, almost no civilian needs to fire more than a few rounds. But, by that logic, most civilians never fire any, so why have one?

Carry what you feel comfortable with, but don't discount the polymers as cheap. They've certainly got their uses.

-magiaaron

.45Super-Man
11-20-2010, 05:41
to me the 1911 vs. glock debate is the same as a zippo vs. bic debate. both serve the same purpose but each one does so with a different style.

glocks/bics are better suited for enviroments where you need function over form.

1911's/zippos are better suited when you still need function, but you also want to flash a little style and class.

so in the traditional gun forum style i'd say "get both". it never hurts to have the right tool for the right job

Comparing the Glock to any of the better 1911's, I prefer the plastic butterknife vs. the surgeons scalpel better. The scalpel is a precision instrument, designed and machined to make precise incisions, so long as the operator is skilled. A plastic butterknife can cut as well, but it's not designed for precision work, it's designed for quick, cheap manufacture and most users that are in love with the utility of the plastic butterknife dont know the difference. Bics and Zippos both provide the exact same fire and one lights a cigarette with no more precision than the other.

Honor Bound
11-20-2010, 10:24
To the OP, here’s my approach to this.

Almost 100% of my pistol range time and budget goes towards training/ improving shooting proficiency. Specifically with the guns that have an identified role in my or my wife’s Self Defense/ Home Defense/ CCW plan.

That said, when a new gun comes home, I look to see where it fits into my plan. If a gun get’s bumped from the starting line-up, it is probably not going to get shot as much.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s about to get sold. A bit of redundancy doesn’t hurt. I also like to have some options to share with friends whom I’m introducing to shooting.

Also, the seller usually takes a big hit on unloading a used gun. If I am certain it’s something I won’t ever want again or, if I find a buyer willing to pay a good price, I might sell it. Usually I would just rather hold onto it, especially if it’s a Glock.

If a Glock is anything, it’s reliable. Go ahead, lock them away, forget about them for a while. Someday you’ll come back to it and it will be waiting there for you, ready to do whatever you ask of it, and then you will be glad you kept it.

Just my opinion, hope this helps.

HB

samuse
11-20-2010, 15:58
We need some pics in this thread.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/005.jpg?t=1290290105

They're snuggling.:upeyes:

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/sammuse/007.jpg?t=1290290241

drc767
11-20-2010, 16:04
What I have carried the last few days......

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/SAPro002.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/SAPro007.jpg

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:13
What are those funny looking plastic things in the pics with your 1911s? :dunno:

drc767
11-20-2010, 16:15
What are those funny looking plastic things in the pics with your 1911s? :dunno:

A 9mm eating machine.......:)

samuse
11-20-2010, 16:23
[QUOTE=drc767;16331416]What I have carried the last few days......
/QUOTE]


:faint:Ok, you win!

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:35
A 9mm eating machine.......:)

This plastic ate 200 rounds of 9mm this morning without a hiccup.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/2a0fcbc1.jpg

It will do nicely until I buy one of these to eat 9mm. :supergrin:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/484/trojanlarge2sx.jpg

bac1023
11-20-2010, 16:36
What are those funny looking plastic things in the pics with your 1911s? :dunno:

:rofl:

drc767
11-20-2010, 16:39
How do you like the P2000, Paul? What varient trigger? I tried a HK with a LEM trigger a year or so back....It was way too different than the 1911 trigger for me. HK makes nice pistols, though.....

Quack
11-20-2010, 16:41
750rds of 9mm through this POS, it didn't jam or anything
cleaned it once after firing 500rds.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

drc767
11-20-2010, 16:43
750rds of 9mm through this POS, it didn't jam or anything
cleaned it once after firing 500rds.

POS???? Hardly......That is slick!!

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:45
How do you like the P2000, Paul? What varient trigger? I tried a HK with a LEM trigger a year or so back....It was way too different than the 1911 trigger for me. HK makes nice pistols, though.....

I like it a LOT. That's one thing I don't care for with Glock is the trigger. Mine is a V3...11.5/4.5 DA/SA. Nice heavy first pull for carry which I like since no external safety. Will carry my Brown once I get it, sell this for a 9mm Trojan for rangework. Then start saving for a 5" semi...either a Kobra or No Name. Then I'm done. Maybe. :supergrin:

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:49
750rds of 9mm through this POS, it didn't jam or anything
cleaned it once after firing 500rds.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

That is such a damn good looking gun. I just can't stomach dropping $1,400 for it when I could get a 9mm Ranger2 for $400 less.

Quack
11-20-2010, 16:53
That is such a damn good looking gun. I just can't stomach dropping $1,400 for it when I could get a 9mm Ranger2 for $400 less.

and then add about $400 to bob and refinish it. i was going to get a R2 and bob it, but this was more cost effective ;)

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:55
and then add about $400 to bob and refinish it ;)

Nope. :rofl:

Quack
11-20-2010, 16:56
you could've kept your Kimber and had a Commander-ish gun for less than the R2 :tongueout:

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 16:58
you could've kept your Kimber and had a Commander-ish gun for less than the R2 :tongueout:

STI > Kimber

Not sweating it. Want a 5" 9mm anyway.

Quack
11-20-2010, 16:59
they why do you want a bobtail 9mm 1911, but would buy the R2 instead?

Quack
11-20-2010, 17:03
this "Airplane quote makes me think of Hokie when he's looking at guns...:animlol:

This guys all over the place. 900 feet up to 1300 feet. what an ********

replace **** with a s s h o l e (http://jb5353.tripod.com/airplane/*******.wav)

myanof
11-20-2010, 17:05
I have the cash in hand to buy the TRP, but I am wondering if it's pointless to let my Glocks collect dust since I doubt I'll even use them 2x a year now.

Although I am a 1911 guy, I don't think you can really make this decision until you shoot your new TRP for quite a while. You will find your 1911 can easily become a hobby unlike your Glocks which are just plain good shooters. My suggestion, with about 30 years of 1911 experience, is to buy your TRP and keep you Glocks for a long time. I'm guessing you will find a place for both formats. Good Luck

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 17:10
they why do you want a bobtail 9mm 1911, but would buy the R2 instead?

Ummmm because you said you could build it for $700-800, numbnuts. :tongueout:

Quack
11-20-2010, 17:11
i said I can :tongueout:

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 17:18
i said I can :tongueout:

Not for under $800. The frame/slide for 9mm was $400 alone. That build would have easily creeped over $1k+. If I am carrying the KC, getting a bobtailed 9mm would be nice, but once you hit $1k, the STI(s) seem like a better option.

Maybe once I see a Quack Custom Shop bobtail post-production, my view may be different. :rofl:

Tucson_1
11-20-2010, 18:19
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/jloftus/P1060556.jpg

Streetking
11-20-2010, 19:05
I own many of both. I appreciate the variety. 1911s are fun and effective but I carry a Glock simply for the dependability, capacity, and durability. for some reason I don't mind trashing the Glocks.

u4ea
11-20-2010, 19:24
It's official. I am selling my G17 on Monday for $400. I still haven't decided if I am going to get the RO or the TRP. :sad:

u4ea
11-20-2010, 19:27
The OP's original question is just goofy from the git go, and four pages later he's still getting a back rub. Next it will be four pages of trying to explain how to clean the TRP. Oh, I forgot about the break in period for such a pistol. Can't wait for that one.

I didn't realize that someone learning was so annoying. Sorry we don't all know everything there is to know like you do.

Hokie1911
11-20-2010, 19:31
It's official. I am selling my G17 on Monday for $400. I still haven't decided if I am going to get the RO or the TRP. :sad:

If you can, try and find a range that has a good selection of rentals. You may find a TRP to shoot. Me personally, I shot Quack's and it was my least favorite of his 1911s to shoot...well except for the Trophy Match with the 1lb trigger that double tapped every time I blinked. :supergrin:

u4ea
11-20-2010, 19:33
I actually got to hold the RO and I liked the feeling. I have nothing to compare it to, though.

rockabillyrider
11-20-2010, 19:52
It's official. I am selling my G17 on Monday for $400. I still haven't decided if I am going to get the RO or the TRP. :sad:


:dunno:

rockabillyrider
11-20-2010, 20:01
I didn't realize that someone learning was so annoying. Sorry we don't all know everything there is to know like you do.


What have you learned? After six pages of people telling you that they would hang on to their Glocks, your going to sell one of yours. :dunno:

TxGun
11-20-2010, 20:09
Got a decision anyway. That's progress.

Quack
11-20-2010, 23:54
sell the glock, then hate the 1911, then buy another glock :rofl:

Tucson_1
11-21-2010, 00:00
Why even ask??? :brickwall:

bac1023
11-21-2010, 05:41
It's official. I am selling my G17 on Monday for $400. I still haven't decided if I am going to get the RO or the TRP. :sad:

Good luck with whatever you decide.

bac1023
11-21-2010, 05:41
sell the glock, then hate the 1911, then buy another glock :rofl:

:rofl:

Will-21
11-21-2010, 07:39
I'll keep boff of 'em!

This sweet little package goes in the BOB as a spare:
<a href="http://s774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/yeahryt/Preps%20-%20Self-sufficiency/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF3285.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/yeahryt/Preps%20-%20Self-sufficiency/DSCF3285.jpg" border="0" alt="Firecracker"></a>

This is the EDC:
<a href="http://s774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/yeahryt/Preps%20-%20Self-sufficiency/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF3245.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/yeahryt/Preps%20-%20Self-sufficiency/DSCF3245.jpg" border="0" alt="EDC"></a>

Hokie1911
11-21-2010, 08:57
sell the glock, then hate the 1911, then buy another glock :rofl:

You forgot "break in your 1911 with JHP's". :thumbsup:

samuse
11-21-2010, 15:34
I actually got to hold the RO and I liked the feeling. I have nothing to compare it to, though.


I like the Range Officer better than the TRP just bacause of the looks. I hate the TACTICAL stamped in the dustcover.

I dislike adjustable sights, but the R.O. looks like a solid gun.

If you do sell the Glock, go straight to Wally World and dump that money into 100 round boxes of WWB, then go to topgunsupply.com and order some Checkmate Hybrids or G.I. spec mags. Then you'll need a holster and a few mag carriers.... Who says guys don't like shopping?:supergrin:

robbcayman
11-21-2010, 18:35
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Keep both styles and enjoy them. The same can be said with revolvers. I think diversity in firearms is always a cool thing.

bac1023
11-21-2010, 20:38
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Keep both styles and enjoy them. The same can be said with revolvers. I think diversity in firearms is always a cool thing.

Absolutely.

I love variety in my collection. :)

den888
11-21-2010, 21:10
1911's, Glocks and XD's are complimentary to each other and do not replace each other.

bac1023
11-21-2010, 21:14
1911's, Glocks and XD's are complimentary to each other and do not replace each other.

:agree:

I like having them all. :)

magiaaron
11-22-2010, 08:36
This plastic ate 200 rounds of 9mm this morning without a hiccup.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/2a0fcbc1.jpg

It will do nicely until I buy one of these to eat 9mm. :supergrin:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/484/trojanlarge2sx.jpg

I'm guessing if you fire that HK with that bullet backwards in the magazine, it's probably going to have some odd digestion issues.

-magiaaron

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 08:40
I'm guessing if you fire that HK with that bullet backwards in the magazine, it's probably going to have some odd digestion issues.

-magiaaron

Apparently you know very little about HK, but thanks for pointing that out chief. :thumbsup:

Tactical black
11-22-2010, 09:10
Apparently you know very little about HK, but thanks for pointing that out chief. :thumbsup:

Yep this pictures always good for laughs :rofl:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_kIWY2DV0KnE/Su0AH95kSbI/AAAAAAAAEuk/RM8TYt9Veec/HK%20catalog.JPG

magiaaron
11-22-2010, 09:15
Aww... I see. Just paying homage to the company since they did such a fine job at a photo shoot. Gotcha.

And, yeah, chief, I haven't bought an HK because I hear the engineers are as good as the advertising staff. :whistling: jk

-magiaaron

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 09:26
Aww... I see. Just paying homage to the company since they did such a fine job at a photo shoot. Gotcha.

And, yeah, chief, I haven't bought an HK because I hear the engineers are as good as the advertising staff. :whistling: jk

-magiaaron

Actually it's more of a photographer and marketing people. :rofl:

This just clearly goes to show an HK will shoot anything, anytime. :supergrin:

Tactical black
11-22-2010, 09:27
Aww... I see. Just paying homage to the company since they did such a fine job at a photo shoot. Gotcha.

And, yeah, chief, I haven't bought an HK because I hear the engineers are as good as the advertising staff. :whistling: jk

-magiaaron

I had a H&K USP45 and it was a super well built gun I just didn't like the trigger so I decided to stick with Glock's and 1911's.

But I've wanted to buy a Sig for a long time either the 226 or 229 not sure yet.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 09:30
I had a H&K USP45 and it was a super well built gun I just didn't like the trigger so I decided to stick with Glock's and 1911's.

But I've wanted to buy a Sig for a long time either the 226 or 229 not sure yet.

I had a .40 229 and it was sweet. A 9mm 226 is a really nice shooter. I have a friend that has one I'm trying to nab on the cheap. :whistling:

Hard to beat a W German 228 for a 9 though.

TKR Reptiles
11-22-2010, 09:44
Their slogan should be "We Are So Bad***** Our Guns Can Shoot You With The Shell Casing"!

Tactical black
11-22-2010, 10:02
I had a .40 229 and it was sweet. A 9mm 226 is a really nice shooter. I have a friend that has one I'm trying to nab on the cheap. :whistling:

Hard to beat a W German 228 for a 9 though.

I've seen a few 228 in stores but they're always priced too high but if I ever see a good enough deal I would probably go for it.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 11:00
Check with Mark at summitgunbroker. He's a good dude and has good prices. I picked up my CPO 229 for $550. Looked new.

magiaaron
11-22-2010, 12:04
I have a 226 and it is a nice shooter. I still prefer the constant trigger pull of a sa or dao, though. But, for pure fun, the sig does rate high. As for the HK guns, I think they're some of the best looking ones out there.

-magiaaron

MarkCO
11-22-2010, 15:09
I started with a 1911, it was terrible and would not feed anything but ball. It was heavy, left my clothes greasy and had to be cleaned all the time. After $700 to buy it new, I sunk over $1200 into it trying to get it running decently. I sold it and got a G22, the first one sold at the gunshop I used, vowing never to get another 1911. Quality, reliable "low end" 1911s are a relatively recent addition to the firearms marketplace, spurred in large part by the utter reliability of the Glocks. Even 20 years ago, $1500 or so was the price tag for a fully reliable 1911. Now, you can get them for $500 or so, where the profit is likely on the order of a Jackson, if that. That $500 Glock has a profit margin that is in the range of 8 times the $500 1911. I'd say that in general, a $500 Glock is much closer to the "high end" than any 1911 under say $600.

Some might call a Civic lower end, but the economy and function give it pretty decent marks as comapred to a Lambo, BMW, etc. Just does not do it with any refinement.

In the end, don't sell those Glocks. They serve several functions that a 1911 can not. For instance, I find it a lot less stressful to hand a new shooter a $500 Glock than a $1500 1911 for some initial training. When I have to venture into the city, a Glock keeps the stress level much lower for a variety of reasons that should be self evident. In a SHTF scenario, $1500 worth of Glocks is much preferable to $1500 worth of 1911s. Want a suppressed handgun, sure $100 barrel swap on a Glock, $350 or so on a 1911. Want a back-up while backpacking, hunting, camping, possible rain, sand, mud, why risk the 1911, take a Glock. We could go on and on.

My Limited G35 went 7500 rounds, in match conditions (USPSA and 3Gun) with NO cleaning and never malfunctioned. Try that with a 1911.

With a few singular exceptions, I have Revolvers, 1911s and Glocks. See very little need for much else, but I would not give up any one category. I just have too many uses for the different platforms where one is better than the others.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 15:16
Hey Mark, just curious...what do you EDC?

rsxr22
11-22-2010, 15:17
Tac Black,
If you didnt like the HK trigger, theres a real good chance you wouldnt like a stock Sig as well

MarkCO
11-22-2010, 15:22
Hey Mark, just curious...what do you EDC?

Depends, but not a Glock. If you are looking for a recomendation, I might suggest...

Warm: P3AT, PM9
Cold: PM9, Kimber Ultra Tactical, Sig C3.

Always a .40 Glock and a 5.56 rifle nearby.

samuse
11-22-2010, 15:54
Want a back-up while backpacking, hunting, camping, possible rain, sand, mud, why risk the 1911, take a Glock. We could go on and on.

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That's when I like the 1911. I have found them to stand up to the elements quite well. I don't doubt the Glocks at all, I just think the 1911 gets a bad rap for malfunctioning when dirty, by people who've never seen how dirty a 1911 can run.:supergrin: (I have done things to a 1911 that would make you cry)

Hi Powers are next.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 16:02
Depends, but not a Glock. If you are looking for a recomendation, I might suggest...

Warm: P3AT, PM9
Cold: PM9, Kimber Ultra Tactical, Sig C3.

Always a .40 Glock and a 5.56 rifle nearby.

I've got a HK P2000 to serve the purpose currently and a Kobra Carry on the way. :supergrin:

MarkCO
11-22-2010, 16:17
That's when I like the 1911. I have found them to stand up to the elements quite well. I don't doubt the Glocks at all, I just think the 1911 gets a bad rap for malfunctioning when dirty, by people who've never seen how dirty a 1911 can run.

I am not talking about reliability. When I hunt, I hunt, and my equipment gets dirty. Repolishing and cleaning a 1911 a dozen times a year after a hunting trip is not my idea of fun. Toss the Glock in a belt slide and worry not. Get home, rinse it off and toss it aside until the next trip.

More of a cost/aesthetics thing than a reliability thing.

mes228
11-22-2010, 17:15
The title of the thread suggest that a Glock is among "lower end" pistols? That's about as wrong as wrong can be. I just returned from the range with 3 custom 1911's costing $9-10K, a $500 Glock 19, and a Keltec $249 PF-9. My wife, Air Force Son (home on leave) and I fired about 400 rounds through those pistols.

All functioned flawless through the session. The 1911's were shooting about 1-2 inches at 15 yards with me pulling the trigger. The Glock 19 was shooting about 2-3 inches or so. I sometimes forget just how good a Model 19 Glock is. Almost as accurate as a full custom costing six times as much, holds almost 3 times the ammo, lighter, totally reliable, perhaps more controllable, even the trigger is good. And the stock sights are among the best in the business in my opinion.

The Model 19 is my wife's bed side pistol and has a LaserMax guide rod installed. She weighs about 95 lbs. and is 5' tall. With that combo she can put 18 rounds into your head at 15 yards in less than 18 seconds. Without the laser she can put 18 rounds in your chest in about 18 seconds. This was only the 3rd session she has ever fired a pistol. She easily out shot my Air Force son and he was shooting my Springfield Professional FBI pistol. That's how easy it is to run a Glock.

The point of all this is that the Glock 19 gives up very very little to anything out there. In the real world use in some circumstances, it could conceivably be the better choice. I know it's a better choice for my petite wife than any 1911 I own. That's a long way from a "low end" pistol. A Glock is very in-expensive but not at all "low end" or "cheap". They really are a great pistol.

MarkCO
11-22-2010, 17:25
The title of the thread suggest that a Glock is among "lower end" pistols? That's about as wrong as wrong can be... And the stock sights are among the best in the business in my opinion.


Agreed with the general post, however Glock stock sights are the WORST in the business.

Angry Fist
11-22-2010, 17:29
Agreed with the general post, however Glock stock sights are the WORST in the business.
I definitely prefer the Mepros over stock... And I never did shoot in the dark. Yet.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 17:32
Agreed with the general post, however Glock stock sights are the WORST in the business.

:agree:

carguy2244
11-22-2010, 18:07
The title of the thread suggest that a Glock is among "lower end" pistols? That's about as wrong as wrong can be. I just returned from the range with 3 custom 1911's costing $9-10K, a $500 Glock 19, and a Keltec $249 PF-9. My wife, Air Force Son (home on leave) and I fired about 400 rounds through those pistols.

All functioned flawless through the session. The 1911's were shooting about 1-2 inches at 15 yards with me pulling the trigger. The Glock 19 was shooting about 2-3 inches or so. I sometimes forget just how good a Model 19 Glock is. Almost as accurate as a full custom costing six times as much, holds almost 3 times the ammo, lighter, totally reliable, perhaps more controllable, even the trigger is good. And the stock sights are among the best in the business in my opinion.

The Model 19 is my wife's bed side pistol and has a LaserMax guide rod installed. She weighs about 95 lbs. and is 5' tall. With that combo she can put 18 rounds into your head at 15 yards in less than 18 seconds. Without the laser she can put 18 rounds in your chest in about 18 seconds. This was only the 3rd session she has ever fired a pistol. She easily out shot my Air Force son and he was shooting my Springfield Professional FBI pistol. That's how easy it is to run a Glock.

The point of all this is that the Glock 19 gives up very very little to anything out there. In the real world use in some circumstances, it could conceivably be the better choice. I know it's a better choice for my petite wife than any 1911 I own. That's a long way from a "low end" pistol. A Glock is very in-expensive but not at all "low end" or "cheap". They really are a great pistol.

Agreed..

bac1023
11-22-2010, 18:53
The title of the thread suggest that a Glock is among "lower end" pistols? That's about as wrong as wrong can be. I just returned from the range with 3 custom 1911's costing $9-10K, a $500 Glock 19, and a Keltec $249 PF-9. My wife, Air Force Son (home on leave) and I fired about 400 rounds through those pistols.

All functioned flawless through the session. The 1911's were shooting about 1-2 inches at 15 yards with me pulling the trigger. The Glock 19 was shooting about 2-3 inches or so. I sometimes forget just how good a Model 19 Glock is. Almost as accurate as a full custom costing six times as much, holds almost 3 times the ammo, lighter, totally reliable, perhaps more controllable, even the trigger is good. And the stock sights are among the best in the business in my opinion.

The Model 19 is my wife's bed side pistol and has a LaserMax guide rod installed. She weighs about 95 lbs. and is 5' tall. With that combo she can put 18 rounds into your head at 15 yards in less than 18 seconds. Without the laser she can put 18 rounds in your chest in about 18 seconds. This was only the 3rd session she has ever fired a pistol. She easily out shot my Air Force son and he was shooting my Springfield Professional FBI pistol. That's how easy it is to run a Glock.

The point of all this is that the Glock 19 gives up very very little to anything out there. In the real world use in some circumstances, it could conceivably be the better choice. I know it's a better choice for my petite wife than any 1911 I own. That's a long way from a "low end" pistol. A Glock is very in-expensive but not at all "low end" or "cheap". They really are a great pistol.

Low end means inexpensive in my book.

Any molded plastic gun costing $100 or so to make is low end as far as I'm concerned.

I own Glocks and other polymers. Saying that doesn't bother me. That doesn't mean they aren't good pistols.

I also have many "low end" 1911s. I even classified them as such in my guide. That doesn't mean they aren't good 1911s, but they are low end.

What's the big deal? :dunno:

PlayboyPenguin
11-22-2010, 18:55
I have only read the OP so I am responding to that.

I do not think a :"higher end" gun replaces a Glock or similar gun at all. i have a lot of nice guns but sometimes I just want that simple tool that is perfectly suited for the job. it also doesn't hurt sometimes if that tool is one that I will not mind getting a bit beat up in the process. :)

Angry Fist
11-22-2010, 19:13
I have only read the OP so I am responding to that.

I do not think a :"higher end" gun replaces a Glock or similar gun at all. i have a lot of nice guns but sometimes I just want that simple tool that is perfectly suited for the job. it also doesn't hurt sometimes if that tool is one that I will not mind getting a bit beat up in the process. :)
It's definitely not a piece of jewelry. And Tenifer is just begging for punishment.... :whistling: