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-gunut-
11-18-2010, 11:25
Can you tell me the length of the barrels till the end of the forward grip area?

I won a Stoeger Uplander off gunbroker and my plan is to NFA it into a SBS. Just wondering ahead of time what bbl length I would have if I chopped it at the end of the hand guard.

Thanks! :wavey:

Not too bad for $200!

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/200297000/200297126/pix106114511.jpg

B.Reid
11-18-2010, 19:30
:wow:

frankr
11-20-2010, 02:56
Can you tell me the length of the barrels till the end of the forward grip area?

I won a Stoeger Uplander off gunbroker and my plan is to NFA it into a SBS. Just wondering ahead of time what bbl length I would have if I chopped it at the end of the hand guard.

Thanks! :wavey:

Not too bad for $200!

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/200297000/200297126/pix106114511.jpg

Open the breach and measure from the end of the chamber to where you want to cut.

-gunut-
11-20-2010, 11:43
Open the breach and measure from the end of the chamber to where you want to cut.

I'm over in Europe right now and my shotgun is at the dealer. I won't be back for a few weeks.

AZ Husker
11-20-2010, 13:32
You'd end up with a shotgun with such a broad pattern that it would be virtually worthless.
My Coach gun measures 11" from the back of the breech to the front of the handguard.

-gunut-
11-20-2010, 13:36
You'd end up with a shotgun with such a broad pattern that it would be virtually worthless.
My Coach gun measures 11" from the back of the breech to the front of the handguard.

It will be a range toy, or a very close defensive tool if the situation ever happened to present itself. I am not planning on using it in a defensive capacity unless it is a situational issue.

-gunut-
11-25-2010, 07:04
Come on guys! No Stoeger owners here that also own a ruler??

I_am_JOHN_E
11-25-2010, 20:34
Just a little under 11".......but why stop there?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/sbs_007.jpg

-gunut-
11-26-2010, 03:32
Just a little under 11".......but why stop there?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/sbs_007.jpg

My worry is how hard it will be to shape down that hand guard.

Fanner50
11-26-2010, 06:41
My worry is how hard it will be to shape down that hand guard.

That's why GOD made Dremels. :wavey:

I_am_JOHN_E
11-26-2010, 07:25
I had a local guy do the wood for me before I submitted the Form 1, he said it was a pretty simple job. Some wood was removed from the front but most of difficult work was in the stock.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/fuddscry_006.jpg

Plug of wood from the stock used to fill the bolt hole

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/fuddscry_013.jpg

Another piece of the scrap stock used here.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/fuddscry_012.jpg

Nutt51
11-26-2010, 11:04
John E,

That reminds me of the one Sean Connery kept in the old phonograph
in "The Untouchables", sans the hammers. Man that's just bad news.
Have you fired it?.

A handful of dynamite, would fire like the one James Cann "Mississippi",
used in the John Wayne movie, "El Dorado".

I_am_JOHN_E
11-26-2010, 11:30
Have you fired it?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5D6vi0du4

WiskyT
11-26-2010, 20:54
Why doesn't anyone make a short barreled gun with rifling in 12G? Would the BATFE go for a gun like John's with a rifled barrel as a "pistol" and not require the NFA paperwork? It could be like the .410 guns. They aren't "smoothbore" since they have rifling, albiet very fine rifling. :dunno:

-gunut-
11-27-2010, 04:06
This 20ga belongs to a friend of mine in Czech. Looking at the grip I wonder if this thing is factory??

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs454.ash1/25004_1431863634373_1166342739_1268597_4915310_n.jpg9

-gunut-
11-27-2010, 04:15
I_am_JOHN_E what length are the barrels? 8"?

Can you give me any pics from the underside so I can see how that front grip was shaped? I am thinking either going the easy rout and chopping it off and the end of the front grip or chopping it to 9"

Burncycle
11-27-2010, 21:58
Why doesn't anyone make a short barreled gun with rifling in 12G? Would the BATFE go for a gun like John's with a rifled barrel as a "pistol" and not require the NFA paperwork? It could be like the .410 guns. They aren't "smoothbore" since they have rifling, albiet very fine rifling. :dunno:

How rifled would it have to be I wonder? Twist rate and depth?

Angry Fist
11-27-2010, 22:10
Why doesn't anyone make a short barreled gun with rifling in 12G? Would the BATFE go for a gun like John's with a rifled barrel as a "pistol" and not require the NFA paperwork? It could be like the .410 guns. They aren't "smoothbore" since they have rifling, albiet very fine rifling. :dunno:

How rifled would it have to be I wonder? Twist rate and depth?
It would be a Destructive Device.... 12 ga is well over .500 bore.

WiskyT
11-28-2010, 07:09
How rifled would it have to be I wonder? Twist rate and depth?

I've seen .410 "45 Colt" pistol with rifling so fine you almost couldn't catch a fingernail on it.

WiskyT
11-28-2010, 07:12
It would be a Destructive Device.... 12 ga is well over .500 bore.

I figured there had to a reason, otherwise we'd all have double barreled 8" 12G pistols.

Angry Fist
11-28-2010, 16:07
I figured there had to a reason, otherwise we'd all have double barreled 8" 12G pistols.
This may be as close as you can get, but its an AOW. Serbu Super Shorty 12 Gauge. Not rifled, unfortunately... I guess there are other makers, now.

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/58567.jpg

I_am_JOHN_E
11-29-2010, 15:32
I_am_JOHN_E what length are the barrels? 8"?
Can you give me any pics from the underside so I can see how that front grip was shaped? I am thinking either going the easy rout and chopping it off and the end of the front grip or chopping it to 9"

Barrels are cut to 8.5" , OAL is 17".

http://www.hunt101.com/data/585/sbs_006.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/557/wood_008.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/557/wood_009.jpg

-gunut-
11-29-2010, 17:46
Ahh, nice! So it looks like he cut the thing flat then chopped off the rounded edge from tech excess and attached it on? Is there a metal plate or anything on top of that forward grip? Any idea how he attached the end piece back on? (sorry for all the questions. I am not the the most crafty person when it comes to this stuff. I'm learning as I go and hope I can do a decent job! :supergrin:

-gunut-
11-29-2010, 17:47
This may be as close as you can get, but its an AOW. Serbu Super Shorty 12 Gauge. Not rifled, unfortunately... I guess there are other makers, now.

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/58567.jpg

Why would you want it rifled? Don't ya think the shot already spreads enough as it is?? :supergrin:

Angry Fist
11-29-2010, 17:58
Why would you want it rifled? Don't ya think the shot already spreads enough as it is?? :supergrin:
I'd like to find out... :supergrin:

I wonder about a chopped Ithaca Deerslayer.

I_am_JOHN_E
11-29-2010, 17:58
Ahh, nice! So it looks like he cut the thing flat then chopped off the rounded edge from tech excess and attached it on? Is there a metal plate or anything on top of that forward grip? Any idea how he attached the end piece back on? (sorry for all the questions. I am not the the most crafty person when it comes to this stuff. I'm learning as I go and hope I can do a decent job! :supergrin:

The front is still one piece, he just cut it shorter and rounded the wood. A border line was added to the checkering, the crappy indoor picture makes it look like two parts.

The grip plug was glued/epoxied before finishing. The plug was made from part of the stock scraps. Just do what I did and find a local guy that knows wood.

WiskyT
11-29-2010, 18:27
The reason I suggested rifled was because that is how the .410 guns are legal. They are not "smoothbores". I was wondering why a rifled 12G wouldn't be the same thing, but it was too good to be true. The rifling isn't to improve peformance, it allows the gun to be considered not a shotgun since it is rifled.

Burncycle
11-29-2010, 21:56
The reason I suggested rifled was because that is how the .410 guns are legal. They are not "smoothbores". I was wondering why a rifled 12G wouldn't be the same thing, but it was too good to be true. The rifling isn't to improve peformance, it allows the gun to be considered not a shotgun since it is rifled.


Right, but he's saying if it's rifled, because of the bore diameter it would be a destructive device now

-gunut-
11-30-2010, 02:23
The front is still one piece, he just cut it shorter and rounded the wood. A border line was added to the checkering, the crappy indoor picture makes it look like two parts.

The grip plug was glued/epoxied before finishing. The plug was made from part of the stock scraps. Just do what I did and find a local guy that knows wood.

Yeah, maybe I will. Either that or leave the barrels at 11". How much did the guy charge for all the work so I have a ruff idea?

I_am_JOHN_E
11-30-2010, 11:52
Yeah, maybe I will. Either that or leave the barrels at 11". How much did the guy charge for all the work so I have a ruff idea?

I just sent you an email.

WiskyT
11-30-2010, 15:31
Right, but he's saying if it's rifled, because of the bore diameter it would be a destructive device now

And??

Angry Fist
11-30-2010, 16:21
It means Chopping a smooth barrel makes it a SBS or AOW. Chopping a rifled barrel makes it a DD, which may be more difficult to get approval for than the others.

Try hitting up the NFA GATE forum here.

WiskyT
11-30-2010, 16:24
My question was answered days ago, I'm not sure what you guys are getting at. I asked why .410 shotgun pistols were legal to sell as handguns and 12G shotgun pistols weren't.

CharlestonG26
11-30-2010, 16:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5D6vi0du4

So...who picks up your litter?:shocked: