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Scattergun1187
11-21-2010, 09:04
What do you guys think of the CMMG 10.3" SBR? How does it match up to the competition?
Thanks for everybody's opinion.

zhix
11-21-2010, 13:02
What is the price?
I recently ordered my first SBR, a Stag Arms 11.5" model 1. Stag's SBR models are made to mil. spec. (MP BCG, 1:7, M4 ramps, etc.) unlike their usual models. It will be $1050 not including sales tax and the $200.

I was looking into Colt 6933s. There are police trade-ins in "excellent condition" available for about $1200 and new ones that I have seen are $1500.

turbobrick
11-21-2010, 13:21
I had the CMMG upper on a pistol, and it was great. I really regret selling the pistol now, mainly because of that upper, accurate, reliable, well built.

Scattergun1187
11-21-2010, 15:03
What is the price?
I recently ordered my first SBR, a Stag Arms 11.5" model 1. Stag's SBR models are made to mil. spec. (MP BCG, 1:7, M4 ramps, etc.) unlike their usual models. It will be $1050 not including sales tax and the $200.

I was looking into Colt 6933s. There are police trade-ins in "excellent condition" available for about $1200 and new ones that I have seen are $1500.


Price is $1000

zhix
11-21-2010, 16:30
I would do it for $1,000. Although I have never owned a CMMG, it seems they use the right specs. and I have heard that they have good customer service if something happens to be wrong with the gun.

jrs93accord
11-21-2010, 17:27
Personally, I prefer the LMT 10.5" CQBR upper.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/002-3.jpg

Glock21Owner
11-21-2010, 17:52
The GG&G 10.5" upper from ****** Tactical is sweet

HAIL CAESAR
11-21-2010, 19:22
and I have heard that they have good customer service if something happens to be wrong with the gun.

Your kidding right???:rofl:
They used to have great CS, now they never answer they phone. Or they jsut tell you to F Off.

glock22357
11-21-2010, 19:44
While we're on the subject, I'd love to get some feed-back on the interest in SBRd ARs. What is the attraction? Just a different take on the AR platform? An itch that has to be scratched?

turbobrick
11-22-2010, 01:32
While we're on the subject, I'd love to get some feed-back on the interest in SBRd ARs. What is the attraction? Just a different take on the AR platform? An itch that has to be scratched?

SBR + suppressor = normal length AR. Its all about handling.

TimP
11-22-2010, 10:35
I agree with jrs93accord. My 2 SBR's are a 10.5 LMT, and a 11.5 BCM. Both run just great.

NeverMore1701
11-22-2010, 20:20
If I were in the SBR market I'd go BCM, LMT, or Noveske.

Jon_R
11-22-2010, 20:25
I agree with jrs93accord. My 2 SBR's are a 10.5 LMT, and a 11.5 BCM. Both run just great.

My 11.5" BCM has been 100% but only ~350 rounds so far. I will be taking a class with it in a couple weeks. ~600 rounds for the class so that should give it a work out. I am also using wolf in it. :whistling:

TimP
11-22-2010, 20:26
My 11.5" BCM has been 100% but only ~350 rounds so far. I will be taking a class with it in a couple weeks. ~600 rounds for the class so that should give it a work out. I am also using wolf in it. :whistling:

take a cleaning rod to knock out the stuck case that you will eventually get with the wolf :) ammo is great, but you'll stick up a case in there.

Jon_R
11-22-2010, 20:39
take a cleaning rod to knock out the stuck case that you will eventually get with the wolf :) ammo is great, but you'll stick up a case in there.

It is a level II class. The same instructor who I had for the level I class told me he before the class that he didn't expect me to get to lunch shooting that STUFF. :)

That was in my much more seasoned 16" AR. I ran about 500 rounds of it and got through the class without problems but have to see how the SBR runs on it. I use it monthly at 3-gun but that is only ~100 rounds a match.

Any class I always have at least a full spare weapon plus some parts. I will make sure I have a cleaning rod to. I guess that is the one advantage of a cleaning rod over a bore snake. :cool:

hottnucks
11-23-2010, 05:02
I'd love to get some feed-back on the interest in SBRd ARs. What is the attraction? chicks dig em'

Novocaine
11-23-2010, 16:05
Don't know how their SBRs match up but I have their 16" midlength upper. It came with receiver pivot pin hole drilled off. Not just a bit, waaay of, first thing you see when you pick the upper. Obviously it couldn't be mounted on any lower and right there it put the end to the myth they test-fire "every single one".

Sent it back, they swapped the receiver. Again, no signs of test firing but everything seemed tight, what needed to be staked was staked, DD freefloat was well aligned. It went on to become one of my favorite guns. Light, accurate, smooth functioning and it handles neglect exceptionally well.

WoodenPlank
11-23-2010, 19:34
Personally, I prefer the LMT 10.5" CQBR upper.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/002-3.jpg

This. I just finished my first SBR build using that same LMT upper, and it has been great so far. LMT makes good quality gear.

While we're on the subject, I'd love to get some feed-back on the interest in SBRd ARs. What is the attraction? Just a different take on the AR platform? An itch that has to be scratched?

Handling, faster movement between targets, overall lighter weight, a blast (literally) to shoot, and a good way to anger the gun grabbers. The VERY loud report and flame from the muzzle of my 10.5" also is an attention-grabber on the range. If you use an AR for a trunk gun (and live in an area you feel comfortable doing so with an NFA item), it makes it easier to get in and out of the car, and even do so discreetly (I use a Paladin bag for that exact purpose).

Scattergun1187
11-24-2010, 21:00
Well I have a CMMG 10.3 SBR with a Surefire M500 forend, Trijicon TA31F on a Larue Mount with a Trijicon red dot sight on top, Timminey 3.5LBs drop in trigger, JT Enterprises Bolt and Carrier, Tandgodown pistol grip, and Magpul winter trigger guard.
This gun rocks to say the least. I give the CMMG a thumbs up.

TimP
11-25-2010, 10:16
Well I have a CMMG 10.3 SBR with a Surefire M500 forend, Trijicon TA31F on a Larue Mount with a Trijicon red dot sight on top, Timminey 3.5LBs drop in trigger, JT Enterprises Bolt and Carrier, Tandgodown pistol grip, and Magpul winter trigger guard.
This gun rocks to say the least. I give the CMMG a thumbs up.

wow, thats tricked out.

remember911
11-28-2010, 13:37
I would go with the LMT

Scattergun1187
11-28-2010, 14:14
I'm sure the LMT is better is some of your eyes. But my CMMG will run all day next to a LMT. I'm just sayin'.

Fire_Medic
11-28-2010, 14:19
I'm sure the LMT is better is some of your eyes. But my CMMG will run all day next to a LMT. I'm just sayin'.

You asked for everyones opinion, and now that you have a few, you're turning this into a competition to defend your choice.......:dunno:

If you're happy with what you got for the $$ then that's all that matters. It doesn't skip a beat great, that doesn't make anyone else's rifle worse because you spent less and got something that functions for "you".

Nice looking setup, glad it's working out for you. :wavey:

Scattergun1187
11-28-2010, 15:55
You asked for everyones opinion, and now that you have a few, you're turning this into a competition to defend your choice.......:dunno:

If you're happy with what you got for the $$ then that's all that matters. It doesn't skip a beat great, that doesn't make anyone else's rifle worse because you spent less and got something that functions for "you".

Nice looking setup, glad it's working out for you. :wavey:

I'm not turning it into a competition.:dunno: It just seems like that many people here thinks CMMG is not that good a rifle as a LMT. Thats all. Almost everybody's opinion has been one sided with LMT. Each to his own. No hard feelings fellows.

Happy Hunting
11-28-2010, 16:20
That's the problem with reading posts, Scatter. Everyone reads other peoples' posts with a tone that may or may not agree with what the poster actually means.

A lot feathers have been ruffled on here from mis-reading posts.

Scattergun1187
11-28-2010, 18:18
And I know there are more manufacturers than just LMT.:upeyes:

remember911
11-28-2010, 18:56
you asked for opinions. mine is any thing is better than CMMG sorry if you don't think so.

1811guy
11-28-2010, 19:48
If I were in the SBR market I'd go BCM, LMT, or Noveske.

This here. CMMG was pretty decent a few years back, but their quality control took a dive and you just don't know what you will get. If you are going to spend the extra money on an SBR, might as well get a high quality barrel.

MrOldLude
11-29-2010, 09:58
Your kidding right???:rofl:
They used to have great CS, now they never answer they phone. Or they jsut tell you to F Off.
I've never had an issue with my rifle, but the company posts on ar15.com are extremely helpful and accommodating. Also the few questions I've sent to their email were responded to quickly. So I guess they must not like you.

NMGlocker
11-29-2010, 13:29
Cliff's Notes:
"I bought a cheap upper and now feel the need to defend my purchase."

:upeyes:

hatidua
11-29-2010, 15:04
I was faced with a similar decision and went with a 10.5" LMT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/105quiet.jpg

Scattergun1187
11-29-2010, 18:22
Cliff's Notes:
"I bought a cheap upper and now feel the need to defend my purchase."

:upeyes:

For one thing it's not a cheap upper and second I'm not defending my purchase. I think that you are just jealous and wish you had my setup.:tongueout:

What about DPMS, Colt, Bushmaster, FNSCAR, Larue, Spike's tactical, and so on.
My rifle will run all day long with anything you got. Believe it or not. I asked a simple question and now it has turned into a pissing match. You would think there was a bunch of women on here.:wavey:
That being said I will not ask a single question since some people can't be civilized.:faint:

NMGlocker
11-29-2010, 21:34
For one thing it's not a cheap upper and second I'm not defending my purchase. I think that you are just jealous and wish you had my setup.
It's not cheap, just built like it.
Why would I trade in my 10.5" LMT or 14.5" BCM for a piece of crap CMMG?
:dunno:

Tangodown0311
11-29-2010, 22:12
Last I checked LMT supplies parts and receivers to the DoD. CMMG does not.

Tangodown0311
11-29-2010, 22:15
My choice for a 10.3" SBR would be a Mk18 Mod.1 with Colt factory 10.3" barreled upper and a Daniel Defense RIS II.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/ontimearrival/mk18_2.jpg

Scattergun1187
11-30-2010, 03:24
It's not cheap, just built like it.
Why would I trade in my 10.5" LMT or 14.5" BCM for a piece of crap CMMG?
:dunno:

So now your calling my rifle a piece of crap. Your one in millions that think that way. :dunno:
So you think if I changed the upper it would be better? Say to a Noveske upper.
If you are trying to get under my skin by making stupid & ignorant comments you are very wrong. :cool:

NMGlocker
11-30-2010, 09:21
Run your toy through a high round count class (2000+ rounds in a weekend) and get back to us on how awesome it wasn't.

Scattergun1187
11-30-2010, 17:30
Run your toy through a high round count class (2000+ rounds in a weekend) and get back to us on how awesome it wasn't.

I sure will mr. now it all.
My rifle is not all stock FYI. The internals are all high quality parts.:whistling:

Scattergun1187
12-02-2010, 19:30
Well my rifle ran flawless threw 2500 rds. big dog. Not one single hick up.
Like I said the rifle isn't all stock CMMG.
Class is dismissed. Thank you for all joining in a lesson learned.:supergrin:

HAIL CAESAR
12-02-2010, 20:16
Well my rifle ran flawless threw 2500 rds. big dog. Not one single hick up.
Like I said the rifle isn't all stock CMMG.
Class is dismissed. Thank you for all joining in a lesson learned.:supergrin:

Not bad for a rebadged DPMS half arsed put together.

NeverMore1701
12-02-2010, 23:14
I sure will mr. now it all.
My rifle is not all stock FYI. The internals are all high quality parts.:whistling:

So what you're saying is the stock CMMG parts are NOT high quality? :whistling:

HAIL CAESAR
12-02-2010, 23:33
So what you're saying is the stock CMMG parts are NOT high quality? :whistling:

That is what he is saying....and I agree with him.:wavey:



:rofl:

NeverMore1701
12-03-2010, 00:18
That is what he is saying....and I agree with him.:wavey:



:rofl:

:supergrin:

Durden
12-03-2010, 00:55
I'm sure the LMT is better is some of your eyes. But my CMMG will run all day next to a LMT. I'm just sayin'.

First time I have heard CMMG 'love above' LMT in my research on ARs.

In full disclosure, I will take possession of a LMT in a day or two.

I did come across a two year old thread on ar15.com which is some 90 pages long now, where the OP, a LEO, did say he liked CMMG because of build quality, specs and price point.

To everyone - I realize CQB necessitates a shorter barrel by definition, but isn't 10.5" inches pushing the envelope in terms of differentiating rifle and pistol ballistics? Is the drop off in energy, velocity, etc. not that significant between a 14" and 10.5" barrel?

Scattergun1187
12-03-2010, 07:58
So what you're saying is the stock CMMG parts are NOT high quality? :whistling:


What I am saying is that there is nothing wrong with the stock parts.
It was my purgative to upgrade the trigger, BCG, firing pin, etc.
That's the problem with people today....... You read into what someone is saying way to much and come up with your own conclusions or reasons.:faint:

Jon_R
12-05-2010, 19:48
take a cleaning rod to knock out the stuck case that you will eventually get with the wolf :) ammo is great, but you'll stick up a case in there.

Had the class today and did not have any issues. BCM 11.5" SBR in .223 shooting Wolf. About 600 rounds over 9 hours. It was clean and well lubed to start the class then I didn't clean or oil it the rest of the class. We also left them during the breaks grounded, bolt forward on loaded chamber.

I was happy I had no issues with it so the SBR has about 1K rounds on it now without issues. Of the nine students four had to leave the line during the day for problems a couple more then once.

Jon_R
12-05-2010, 20:05
To everyone - I realize CQB necessitates a shorter barrel by definition, but isn't 10.5" inches pushing the envelope in terms of differentiating rifle and pistol ballistics? Is the drop off in energy, velocity, etc. not that significant between a 14" and 10.5" barrel?

The velocity drops off quick which hurts fragmentation capability of the bullet.

The goal is to be at or above 2700 FPS when you hit the target.

A 11" barrel with M193 you are over 2700 up to 40M. M885 12M. 14" Barrel is 95M and 45M.

I have my SBR for fun. If I need to fight I plan to use my 16" carbine.

Good link on it.
http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_fragrange.html

Scattergun1187
04-08-2011, 18:03
I have a BCM 14.5" complete rifle with a Trijicon ACOG TA31F 4x32 with a Trijicon red dot sight on top for my other battle rifle. And plenty of other back ups like my SBR Bulgarian Arsenal Krinkov SLR107-UR.

K. Foster
04-08-2011, 19:28
You regenerated an old CMMG thread to say that??
What’s your point?
I already know I’m going to be sorry I asked.

WoodenPlank
04-08-2011, 23:35
The velocity drops off quick which hurts fragmentation capability of the bullet.

The goal is to be at or above 2700 FPS when you hit the target.

A 11" barrel with M193 you are over 2700 up to 40M. M885 12M. 14" Barrel is 95M and 45M.

I have my SBR for fun. If I need to fight I plan to use my 16" carbine.

Good link on it.
http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_fragrange.html

Hence why I use 75grn TAP 5.56...

Javelin
04-09-2011, 00:20
I'd go Noveske but that's just me :)

JGguns
04-09-2011, 03:56
I'm not turning it into a competition.:dunno: It just seems like that many people here thinks CMMG is not that good a rifle as a LMT. Thats all. Almost everybody's opinion has been one sided with LMT. Each to his own. No hard feelings fellows.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what people think if your gun runs well and does it's job that's all that matters. For me Personally I am going with spikes for my build. Alot of people may knock that but I have seen alot of FA sbr's built with spike's by my buddy and they are work horses and after it all said an dine my rifle will be built for less than 1k bnib. That including my stamp.

Scattergun1187
04-09-2011, 06:40
You regenerated an old CMMG thread to say that??
Whatís your point?
I already know Iím going to be sorry I asked.

There's no point. And you took the bait.:rofl:

txleapd
04-10-2011, 18:49
I'm not turning it into a competition.:dunno: It just seems like that many people here thinks CMMG is not that good a rifle as a LMT. Thats all. Almost everybody's opinion has been one sided with LMT. Each to his own. No hard feelings fellows.

You asked for peoples' opinions, and they gave them. You didn't like their responses.

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Scattergun1187
04-10-2011, 19:47
Correct. Thread Closed.

mjkeat
04-11-2011, 08:54
What do you guys think of the CMMG 10.3" SBR? How does it match up to the competition?
Thanks for everybody's opinion.

This is a question you ask before you purchase something not after you already own it.

Then he gets mad because people aren't stroking his ego.

I own a CMMG and its nowhere near the quality of these other rifles. Hell, the upper receivers rail isn't even in spec.

Mayhem like Me
04-11-2011, 09:08
Price is $1000

DON'T DO IT!!!!
I ordered 6 FA 10.3 CMMGs for our team and have had nothing but problems from short chambers to just awful customer service... stay away sent 3 in to be checkled after we confirmed the chambers were bad and they did nothing but change the extractor springs and replace the gas rings with Mc farland rings.. stay far Away they are crap..

Mayhem like Me
04-11-2011, 09:11
There's no point. And you took the bait.:rofl:

what bait CMMG is crap stay away...

Mayhem like Me
04-11-2011, 09:11
Correct. Thread Closed.

Ohh and that was a gigantic douchbag move... FYI

Scattergun1187
04-11-2011, 16:56
Not all of them are crap, that's your opinion and experience. Does that mean that every Ford or Chevy truck is crap. Sure there are some lemons in the mix, but mine has been just fine. Yea that was a ****** bag move. But it had to be done because of the hard heads that keep wanting to add fuel to the fire.
Sorry if I aggravated anybody. I'll try to be more Politically Correct next time.