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samuse
11-21-2010, 17:33
So what do ya'll think all these custom guns with 10-8 sights, golfballed frontstraps, Ed Brown beavertails, undercut triggerguards, flush cut & crowned barrels, flat triggers, front cocking serrations, etc will look like 30 years from now?

Will they look as dated as the shark tooth stippling and Bo-Mar ribs?

Will all of our guns be "worthless as anything but a shooter" , or will they remain stylish?

I'm bettin' they'll be as cool as huge collars and bell-bottoms and only the "unmolested" 70 series Colts will be desired.

JK-linux
11-21-2010, 17:40
I'd agree. Less is more with customs. Classic lines beat embellishments in any era.

drc767
11-21-2010, 17:51
In 30 years, I will be too old to give a sheet.......:)

HAIL CAESAR
11-21-2010, 18:14
I think guns like this.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/afp13.jpg

Or guns like Bob Bob Rodgers does;
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_1694.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/LiSpringfield2008photoshop.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_0605.jpg


These guns will remain classic. But some of the off the wall stuff will get dated.

K.Kiser
11-21-2010, 18:18
I like sharp checkering for grip only, and rounded hammer, shiny blueing better than matte or parker and that's it... I don't care at all for where alot of the customs have gone... Take a 1940 issued 1911 with good sharp grip checkering and a modern style hammer and that's perfect to me... The last pistol picture above Me with a swapped in set of "treaded" grips is just about right...

rsxr22
11-21-2010, 18:35
I'll probably be the only one that comments in this thread to go the other way. I can only speak for myself being 24, I personally do not care for the aesthetics of some of the older GI style 1911's. I respect their place in history, but I feel that the companies have found ways to enhance the guns to make them better functioning, more accurate, and in my case more appealing to look at. That said, the pictures HC posted of Roger's work is beautiful. I love the clean lines on them. However, Im sorry but I dont think upcoming generations will have the same love for them as all of you and I. A lot of people that I train always ask me questions during live fire sessions like, "Are you shooting a 1911? Dont those malfunction all the time?" or... "Why would you use a gun like that when Glocks are the best thing out there" Normally these comments come from the crowd even younger than I taking either CCW or Advanced CCW courses. Atleast my explanations eat up some time of the course LOL.
If i had to say though, I believe in the future, we will see many more double stack 1911's and more modernized designs. I dont necessarily see a problem with that however, but i guess i just like a lot of different guns in different flavors.

BlayGlock
11-21-2010, 19:44
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/fallout-laser-pistol-papercraft.jpg

120 watt phased plasma blaster.

BlayGlock
11-21-2010, 19:46
If i had to say though, I believe in the future, we will see many more double stack 1911's and more modernized designs. I dont necessarily see a problem with that however, but i guess i just like a lot of different guns in different flavors.

I am 25 and would have to agree with you. Peopel my age and younger will bounce "traditional 1911s" out the door and onto the curb.

Wade-19
11-21-2010, 20:14
I am 25 and would have to agree with you. Peopel my age and younger will bounce "traditional 1911s" out the door and onto the curb.

Well, I am 39 and about the only thing I don't like on a 1911 is FCS. I also like the plain GI style 1911s as well as the full customs.

bac1023
11-21-2010, 20:15
I'd agree. Less is more with customs. Classic lines beat embellishments in any era.

:agree:

bac1023
11-21-2010, 20:15
In 30 years, I will be too old to give a sheet.......:)

:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
11-21-2010, 20:21
Will all of our guns be "worthless as anything but a shooter" , or will they remain stylish?



All my 1911s are %98 GI and shooters so they will remain as stylish as the last 99 years.

rsxr22
11-21-2010, 20:24
My problem with GI 1911's is not the way they look, rather more that imo are not as comfortable to shoot as the A1's

rsxr22
11-21-2010, 20:34
I am 25 and would have to agree with you. Peopel my age and younger will bounce "traditional 1911s" out the door and onto the curb.

The main reason I say this is because, between reliability and capacity are the two most used gripes from people who shoot Glock, HK's, and such. Well the reliability issue is arguable because 1911's are like a race car compared to a Toyota as the Glock is concerned. More maintenance in most situations is required, but they run like hell when there maintained. But we cant argue capacity. Sure there's some guys who will say "If you cant hit em with 9 rounds of .45 then your the problem". I can see their logic, but still its really not justified. Sure I can hit basically any kind of target from reasonable distance with any of my 1911's, however, i have never been under critical stress by someone trying to kill me. All of the scenarios are debateable, but i personally dont have one problem with DS 1911's. I'd love to pick up a STI of some sort, but at their prices I either pick cheaper production guns or semi-customs. I also understand why magazines need to be tuned but at this point in time I cannot justify the added cost. I really hope that 30 years from now, things are exactly the way they are now, but kids today are not like the previous generation. Even my age group, doesnt respect history, hard work, or working hard for your money. All those things will be completely DEAD AND GONE with the generation of people that follow me. I know why I love 1911's, its because in part of my family, Both of my grandpa's served in WWII and it was their sidearm, my father spent 11 years in the Navy in the late 70's/early 80's, and it was his sidearm as well(somehow magically he still has his :supergrin:) and the love and appreciation was passed down to me and I will hopefully be able to pass the appreciation to my kids. LONG LIVE THE 1911!

BlayGlock
11-21-2010, 20:47
Well, I am 39 and about the only thing I don't like on a 1911 is FCS

Same here Wade.

I really hope that 30 years from now, things are exactly the way they are now, but kids today are not like the previous generation. Even my age group, doesnt respect history, hard work, or working hard for your money. All those things will be completely DEAD AND GONE with the generation of people that follow me.

I could not agreee more. I am not saying I want 1911s to change, but I think they will. When I pull out a 1911 around other guys my age thet kind of give me that old deer in the headlights look while holding thier Glock fowty.

rsxr22
11-21-2010, 20:58
Same here Wade.



I could not agreee more. I am not saying I want 1911s to change, but I think they will. When I pull out a 1911 around other guys my age thet kind of give me that old deer in the headlights look while holding thier Glock fowty.

"fowty" :rofl: It cracks me up in my area, when we go to gun shows, you always get the brothas coming up to us asking "where da fo fives at" 2nd question is "we gotta do papa's?" After I give them a response, they proceed to walk away

glock2740
11-21-2010, 21:15
I think guns like this.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/afp13.jpg

Or guns like Bob Bob Rodgers does;
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_1694.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/LiSpringfield2008photoshop.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_0605.jpg


These guns will remain classic. But some of the off the wall stuff will get dated.
Those guns will be desired classics in 3011. :cool:

Agent6-3/8
11-21-2010, 22:42
I am 25 and would have to agree with you. Peopel my age and younger will bounce "traditional 1911s" out the door and onto the curb.

I have to respectfully disagree. A huge part of the attraction of the 1911 design is its excellent ergonomics. When you mess with that, you have nothing more than yet another bloated double stack pistol. Who knows how things will change, but I suspect the 1911's overall design will stay the same.

bac1023
11-22-2010, 04:20
My problem with GI 1911's is not the way they look, rather more that imo are not as comfortable to shoot as the A1's

GI are mostly A1s.

In fact, just about all today's GI replicas are A1 spec. :)

bac1023
11-22-2010, 04:21
Those guns will be desired classics in 3011. :cool:

No doubt :supergrin:

magiaaron
11-22-2010, 07:26
As a 23 year old, I'd like to chime in on the idea that our generation will move wholeheartedly to polymer. I truly believe that the divide is going to remain. The 1911 is, undoubtedly the superior shooter, but polymer isn't bad and it gives you more rounds. Yes, you can get 1911s in double stack, but with the grip width... :p

Anyway, I think this is going to always be a continued debate the same way you see the 9 v 40 v 45 conversations. 1911s, striker fired pistols, and even da/sa guns all have their advantages. People will continue to go with what they perceive as the biggest advantage. However, I do think that as is the case, now, more people will probably carry a double stack striker fired pistol than anything else because of price and loads of ammo. Those that value precision and have cash will go with the 1911 style. What do you guys think?

xtreme99
11-22-2010, 09:42
I'm 23. The first handgun I ever fired was a 1911, I grew up shooting 1911's, and I think I shoot them better than anything else I own. I plan on daily carrying my 1911 as soon as my holster gets here, and leave my G22 in the safe.

I think the fact that I grew up on them is the reason I will always have the love for them. I've got friends in their late 20's and early 30's who view the 1911 as nothing more than an outdated WW2 pistol. I think that trend will continue too. As someone previously mentioned, polymer is the next best thing, and it has become the standard for pistol frames in newer guns.

The 1911 will always be around, but I do think it's an art form that is slowly fading.

rsxr22
11-22-2010, 10:58
GI are mostly A1s.

In fact, just about all today's GI replicas are A1 spec. :)

So then what would proper terminology be to decipher the difference between GI style 1911's and the enhanced? I had always referred to the older 1911's without a beavertail, non skeletonized hammer, and non replaceable sights as GI's no matter if they were built in 1911 or 2009. Then all of the newer designs were A1's in my vocabulary. Can I get a quick history and vocabulary lesson please!

EdMac87
11-22-2010, 12:27
New member here and I choose this a my first reply.

Im 27, my first gun was a Beretta 92 Brigadier (still have it), its steel and its great.

I've floated around a bunch of plastic guns and ended up selling all of them.

My first and currently only 1911 is a RRA Basic Carry and the feeling this no frills 1911 gives me can't be described. I sure hope the tastes don't change so much that my son wont be able to find a nice ALL steel gun in the future.

BlayGlock
11-22-2010, 13:13
My first and currently only 1911 is a RRA Basic Carry

I had one of those as well. Welcome to the forum. I hope you stick around as you are obviously a gentleman of discerning taste.

Also, we need pics of that RRA.

EdMac87
11-22-2010, 13:24
Ask and you shall receive!

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/edmac87/DSC00724.jpg

rsxr22
11-22-2010, 13:26
Very beautiful gun!

samuse
11-22-2010, 14:41
I think guns like this.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/afp13.jpg

Or guns like Bob Bob Rodgers does;
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_1694.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/LiSpringfield2008photoshop.jpg
http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/Img_0605.jpg


These guns will remain classic. But some of the off the wall stuff will get dated.



Great craftsmanship and nice guns, but I think those guns were timeless classics. Now they're the flavor of the day. Desireable only to someone looking for a gun built by that builder.

30 years from now someone will probably see that repro Colt and say "what a shame, they didn't make a whole bunch of them"

They'll probably look at those rear sights the same way we look at the old Micros and Novaks.

People have been modifying 1911s since 1911. How many have really added any value or desireability to one?

drc767
11-22-2010, 16:08
.......the good news is in 30 years my semi-customs may not be worth crap, but my 1965 Corvette will be 76 years old. That should make up for the loss in value of my crappy, old school semi-custom 1911's. :)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/IMG_2193.jpg

DRAGON1970
11-22-2010, 16:18
We won't be allowed to have guns 30 years from now.

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 16:43
I'm not at all worried what someone thinks about my semi-customs in 30 years. Considering the basic design has held true for 100 years, cosmetic and performance upgrades will only enhance their value.....to me, which is all I care about. :thumbsup:

Well, that and my 12 year old son that's got dibs on my guns thinks they are cool as hell.

rsxr22
11-22-2010, 16:58
Good point Hokie! And maybe down the road we'll even be able to get them cheaper! But i doubt it

BlayGlock
11-22-2010, 17:53
Ask and you shall receive!

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/edmac87/DSC00724.jpg

Very Nice!

samuse
11-22-2010, 18:15
.......the good news is in 30 years my semi-customs may not be worth crap, but my 1965 Corvette will be 76 years old. That should make up for the loss in value of my crappy, old school semi-custom 1911's. :)



I've seen your guns, they definitely have enough class to be ridin' in that thing with you!

Hokie1911
11-22-2010, 18:19
.......the good news is in 30 years my semi-customs may not be worth crap, but my 1965 Corvette will be 76 years old. That should make up for the loss in value of my crappy, old school semi-custom 1911's. :)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/IMG_2193.jpg

That's not his car. It's the dog's car. Dave is just the chauffeur.

The_Drizzle
11-23-2010, 00:11
I am 25 and all but 1 of the guys my age I shoot with could care less about anything thatís not plastic or holds less than 10 rounds. Every time we go shooting I always ask if anyone wants to run a few mags through my 1911 and everyone just seems disinterested. Now if one of them brings a new M&P or XD, everyone is all over that. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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PlasticGuy
11-23-2010, 04:41
There's always a draw to the "latest and greatest", but there remains an appreciation for the classics. I don't see that changing. Nobody really believes a Swensen doesn't still turn heads, do they? Many of today's top smiths should keep a certain level of mystique as years go by.

20South
11-23-2010, 12:08
I think the conversations are going to be exactly the same as they are now. Just like caliber wars are going to remain a personal choice, the Polymers vs Classic 1911's will remain a personal choice. I am 35 years old and just discovered the 1911 world and cannot believe I waited this long. Any young firearms enthusiast could not overlook what would be a design that has been effective and timeless for nearly 130 years (30 years from now). Maybe I am getting older or hanging out with older people, but just like I eventually came to appreciate other calibers when I was a 10MM/G20 fanatic others will be drawn to the classic 1911. Each has its place and serves it purpose well.

All of this assuming we can even own them in three decades...

BEER
11-23-2010, 12:16
We won't be allowed to have guns 30 years from now.

if you feel you're "allowed" to own a firearm then you're doing it wrong.

20South
11-23-2010, 12:23
if you feel you're "allowed" to own a firearm then you're doing it wrong.

Well said.

EmperorKO
11-23-2010, 19:44
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/fallout-laser-pistol-papercraft.jpg

120 watt phased plasma blaster.

Excuse me, sir. As an obsessive Fallout player, I feel obligated to inform you that this is a laser pistol, not a plasma :tongueout:

vikingsoftpaw
11-25-2010, 23:52
I'd agree. Less is more with customs. Classic lines beat embellishments in any era.

I've know people that bought mid 1980's cars worth $800 and spent over $5K customizing it.

We have all heard of $350 '03 Springfields that received $500 in gunsmithing to create a hunting rifle worth less than $200.

Less modification is better, stock is best for maintaining/accruing value.

bac1023
11-26-2010, 06:11
Ask and you shall receive!

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/edmac87/DSC00724.jpg



Very nice RRA :thumbsup:

bac1023
11-26-2010, 06:12
There's always a draw to the "latest and greatest", but there remains an appreciation for the classics. I don't see that changing. Nobody really believes a Swensen doesn't still turn heads, do they? Many of today's top smiths should keep a certain level of mystique as years go by.

:agree:

drc767
11-26-2010, 06:14
Ask and you shall receive!

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/edmac87/DSC00724.jpg

That thing would look even slicker with a nice magwell......Very Nice!!

drc767
11-26-2010, 06:21
Less modification is better, stock is best for maintaining/accruing value.

Tell that to Carrol Shelby.....It all depends on the demand at the time. That is what drives prices and collectability value. The ol' "supply and demand" argumnent applies to both "stock and modified" anythings...

bac1023
11-26-2010, 06:45
That thing would look even slicker with a nice magwell......Very Nice!!


They do look cool with the magwell. :supergrin:


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1724s.jpg

brisk21
11-26-2010, 07:24
I gotta say, I don't see alot of punisher grips 30 years into the future on 1911s!

Hokie1911
11-26-2010, 07:28
I gotta say, I don't see alot of punisher grips 30 years into the future on 1911s!

:perfect10:

bac1023
11-26-2010, 07:40
I gotta say, I don't see alot of punisher grips 30 years into the future on 1911s!

:agree:

Thankfully

rsxr22
11-26-2010, 08:09
I gotta say, I don't see alot of punisher grips 30 years into the future on 1911s!

HAHA hopefully not!!!

BlayGlock
11-26-2010, 09:05
Excuse me, sir. As an obsessive Fallout player, I feel obligated to inform you that this is a laser pistol, not a plasma http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue%20out.gif

Indeed it is. However, I prefer the Plama Defender in New Vegas.

DRAGON1970
11-26-2010, 21:51
if you feel you're "allowed" to own a firearm then you're doing it wrong.

Sorry. I don't understand that "gem" of wisdom.

BEER
11-26-2010, 23:30
Sorry. I don't understand that "gem" of wisdom.

to be "allowed" to do something means that some other person has given you permission to do that thing. a firearm is a tool used for defense of yourself, your family, your home, and your country, and it can also be used to put food on your table and to survive.

the only person that has the power to grant or deny you the right to own such a valuable tool is you yourself. do not think the right to own a firearm is granted to you by god, the government, or the law, you earn that right as soon as you are born into this world.

if you think of your rights as being allowed to you then you are giving perfect strangers the power to influence whether you live or die and how comfortably you choose to do so. your rights are yours by birth and anyone that tries to take them away or limit them be damned.

don't be allowed, be free.