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Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 08:18
Your thoughts? These 3 all run about $1k. Looking for feedback, not "if it ain't .45 rants..." and "small 1911s suck" opinions. :rofl:

Springfield EMP - seems to be the gold standard, as it was designed for the 9mm. However, it would require some mods to get it just right. No ambi, and flat baseplates. Also has no FS checkering. I believe 8+1 with flat baseplate.

STI Escort - AL frame, carbon steel 3" slide and only 22oz. Already no ambi, flat baseplates, and FS done. Only 1 mag and 7+1.

STI Guardian - similar to the Escort, but stainless so heavier at 32oz. 3.9" barrel. Also no ambi, flat baseplates, one 7+1 magazine.

Cerebrus
11-25-2010, 08:45
Out of the 3 I like the Guardian the best... seems to me to be the most bang for the buck.. no ambi, all steel, front strap is scalloped. Also it has the lowest MSRP out of the bunch... I would get it in a .45.. but for what you are looking for I think the Guardian is the ticket..:thumbsup:

chrisman17
11-25-2010, 08:47
I want a EMP bad! For some reason I can't justify spending only $1k on a 1911... :)

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:17
EMP, because it's designed around the 9mm.

i believe the Escort weight listed is w/o a mag, while the EMP weight is listed with a mag.
the EMP holds 1-2 more rounds.

another thing that you are forgetting is that the EMP is comes with night sights, while the other don't (standard), so add another $100 to those.

as for mags, since the STI's use standard style mags, you have to find some that work well with it, where as the EMP mags are only made by Springfield. so less chance of issues there.

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:28
EMP, because it's designed around the 9mm.

i believe the Escort weight listed is w/o a mag, while the EMP weight is listed with a mag.
the EMP holds 1-2 more rounds.

another thing that you are forgetting is that the EMP is comes with night sights, while the other don't (standard), so add another $100 to those.

as for mags, since the STI's use standard style mags, you have to find some that work well with it, where as the EMP mags are only made by Springfield. so less chance of issues there.

I didn't mention sights because I would change them out regardless to a 10-8 rear to match my Brown. All other good points though. Thanks dude.

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:30
still with the EMP, you just have to replace the rear, while with the STI's you have to buy the front which is about $50 alone.

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:34
still with the EMP, you just have to replace the rear, while with the STI's you have to buy the front which is about $50 alone.

Yeah, but with the EMP there's also ditching the ambi and mag baseplates. Not a huge deal, but a little extra cost nonetheless. Man, I wish they did the FS too. Not a dealbreaker, but for $1k+ it should have been done.

samuse
11-25-2010, 09:35
Sombody on here has a bobtailed Dan Wesson Commander sized 9mm with a lightweight frame. It looked like the best thing out there to me.

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:36
if you want to fondle the STI's, Pro Armament had them last time i was there as well as an EMP

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:37
Sombody on here has a bobtailed Dan Wesson Commander sized 9mm with a lightweight frame. It looked like the best thing out there to me.

Yeah it's Don. I REALLY like the Guardian but $1,400 is more than I want to spend.

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:39
Sombody on here has a bobtailed Dan Wesson Commander sized 9mm with a lightweight frame. It looked like the best thing out there to me.

he doesn't want to spend $1400 on it, even though it would match his KC.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

if he does the cost, of the other guns, changes and add in another VMII holster, the price is getting pretty close.

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:40
if you want to fondle the STI's, Pro Armament had them last time i was there as well as an EMP

I may have to do that. Everyone speaks so highly I STI, just giving them a look. I know I like the EMP having shot yours. :supergrin:

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:42
he doesn't want to spend $1400 on it, even though it would match his KC.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

if he does the cost, of the other guns, changes and add in another VMII holster, the price is getting pretty close.

You are the evil voice inside my head.... :rofl:

Didn't even think about the VM2 part of the equation. That makes REALLY good sense now. :thumbsup:

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:55
yep, even if it's not the VMII a similar holster would cost about the same.

and with the bobotail, you can get 9rds flush fit, full grip, and since it's commander size you'd probably shoot it more than the Officer size gun. The only change that you would need on the Guardian would be the rear sight.

and you'll have a training partner for your KC.

nolt
11-25-2010, 09:57
theres one of those with a normal trigger on GB rite now. >=]

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 09:57
Quack...the all-knowing, soothing voice of reason. :rofl:

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:57
theres one of those with a normal trigger on GB rite now. >=]

bah!!! you people that think the world is round :steamed:

Quack
11-25-2010, 09:58
Quack...the all-knowing, soothing voice of reason. :rofl:

and people wonder why i don't leave service and go into sales :rofl:

MarkCO
11-25-2010, 12:32
Have you considered the STI LS? Under $1K and with last shot lock now that they dropped the .40 version. My understanding is it was built around the shorter cartridges as well. I considered it hard several years ago and came down to the LS or a PM9 (went with the PM9).

rsxr22
11-25-2010, 12:40
Honestly, with the KC coming. I dont know why you arent just going after a full size. Your going to be getting a gun dedicated to carry, so get yourself a fun gun, and then when funds are good again; then go after another cc gun.

Quack
11-25-2010, 12:46
he doesn't know what he want's :tongueout:

HAIL CAESAR
11-25-2010, 13:04
What do you primarily want to do with it.

rsxr22
11-25-2010, 13:05
he doesn't know what he want's :tongueout:

Well Atleast I dont have that problem! I know what i want, only problem is i dont have the mula for everything i want LOL

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 13:14
he doesn't know what he want's :tongueout:

That couldn't be further from the truth. I just can't afford all the guns I want. :rofl:

maxim240sx
11-25-2010, 19:58
Did you ever think about the kimber tactical pro? You can have it in 9mm and its aluminum framed, so lighter weight. Can get them for around $1000 nib

Wade-19
11-25-2010, 20:01
He sold a Pro Carry already .

Hokie1911
11-25-2010, 20:51
Did you ever think about the kimber tactical pro? You can have it in 9mm and its aluminum framed, so lighter weight. Can get them for around $1000 nib

Yeah, I had a Kimber ProCarry2 and sold it. It printed way to much on me. Nice gun, but in a VM2 on my body (5"8 165) it didn't work. Will be carrying a HK P2000 until I pay off my Kobra Carry in the spring. Want another 9mm 1911 for range duty (and perhaps to carry too). The DW Guardian fits the bill. Same size as my KC, can ride in the same VM2, lighter with the AL frame, and cheaper to shoot more. Win-win-win.

Tactical black
11-25-2010, 21:11
The DW Guardian would be a great choice. :cool:

MD357
11-25-2010, 21:15
EMP, because it's designed around the 9mm.

i believe the Escort weight listed is w/o a mag, while the EMP weight is listed with a mag.
the EMP holds 1-2 more rounds.

another thing that you are forgetting is that the EMP is comes with night sights, while the other don't (standard), so add another $100 to those.

as for mags, since the STI's use standard style mags, you have to find some that work well with it, where as the EMP mags are only made by Springfield. so less chance of issues there.

/Thread. :cool:

knedrgr
11-25-2010, 22:31
Have you considered the STI LS? Under $1K and with last shot lock now that they dropped the .40 version. My understanding is it was built around the shorter cartridges as well. I considered it hard several years ago and came down to the LS or a PM9 (went with the PM9).

I also looked at the STI LS, but then I handled one, and wasn't very impressed with the gun.

Wade-19
11-25-2010, 22:45
Yep, DW Guardian for the win !!!

knedrgr
11-25-2010, 22:50
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

if he does the cost, of the other guns, changes and add in another VMII holster, the price is getting pretty close.

+1 as well.

brzusa.1911
11-26-2010, 10:06
I would not consider a DW Guardian. Here are my reasons:

1) Aluminum frame I want a manufacturer that will give me lifetime, after 5 years you are on your own with DW.

2) The Guardian is a commander size, so getting a gun in 9mm for carry that I could have in .45acp does not make sense to me.

The EMP is a little less expensive than the Guardian, it holds the same number of rounds, it has lifetime warranty vs 5 years, it is compact and designed for the 9mm round. And an extra bonus on my case, it comes with ambisafety.

Hokie1911
11-27-2010, 07:26
Ok, so the more I think about it....what's the reason I was looking at getting a 9mm? Not necessarily to carry. The Kobra Carry will fill that role. It's to shoot more. Well, I think it makes much more sense to spend half as much as the cost of an EMP and go ahead and get set up to reload. Been doing some reading and it seems the Lee Classic is the ticket. If I can start reloading and shoot .45 for closer to the cost of 9mm factory loads....that essentially solves the dilemma until I can afford more pistolas.

brzusa.1911
11-27-2010, 07:34
Ok, so the more I think about it....what's the reason I was looking at getting a 9mm? Not necessarily to carry. The Kobra Carry will fill that role. It's to shoot more. Well, I think it makes much more sense to spend half as much as the cost of an EMP and go ahead and get set up to reload. Been doing some reading and it seems the Lee Classic is the ticket. If I can start reloading and shoot .45 for closer to the cost of 9mm factory loads....that essentially solves the dilemma until I can afford more pistolas.

Reloading .45acp is the is the way to go. I bought the Lee Classic when I started reloading as well, but after a while you will get tired changing the dies. The best thing I did was to upgrade to the turret which is really not much more expensive than the Classic.

I was able to score some 9mm for $10.50 box of 50 and even though I find it to be cheap, I can reload .45acp for $8-$9 box of 50.

Hokie1911
11-27-2010, 07:48
I don't mind investing a little more upfront for a more efficient setup. I only plan on loading .45... so whatever the best entry-level setup is, or maybe a step up should do the trick nicely.

remat
11-27-2010, 16:38
What about a Colt Defender?

Quack
11-27-2010, 17:41
Reloading .45acp is the is the way to go. I bought the Lee Classic when I started reloading as well, but after a while you will get tired changing the dies. The best thing I did was to upgrade to the turret which is really not much more expensive than the Classic.

I was able to score some 9mm for $10.50 box of 50 and even though I find it to be cheap, I can reload .45acp for $8-$9 box of 50.

the link i sent Hokie was for the Classic Turret from Kempf's

https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41&vmcchk=1&Itemid=41

Hokie1911
11-27-2010, 17:49
the link i sent Hokie was for the Classic Turret from Kempf's

https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41&vmcchk=1&Itemid=41

:thumbsup: