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wrx04
11-27-2010, 23:05
Help me pick out a commander. I'm guessing all of them are pretty much on par in the semi-custom world, but is there any that you would NOT recommend? I'm kinda leaning toward a LB TRS Comanche or SRP Comanche with naked slide and hardchrome. I like the Brown and NN too....and probably more once i start looking into it, lol. What do you think?

Here's another question....Ive read that a carbon steel gun gives the tightest fit; if you get that same gun hardchromed, wouldn't that make the fit less "fitted", or is the work done after the coating is in place? Does it really matter?

bac1023
11-27-2010, 23:07
I love the SRP and NN. :)

MD357
11-28-2010, 00:45
SRP Comanche with naked slide and hardchrome

This is what I'd go with.

Of course Bac made a seemingly excellent suggestion of a Guncrafter No Name.

Quack
11-28-2010, 00:57
I'd skip the Commanche since by design it is not supposed to slingshot. The other reason is because its a Baer. :tongueout:

Quack
11-28-2010, 01:07
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=271255&highlight=slingshot

bac1023
11-28-2010, 06:39
I'd skip the Commanche since by design it is not supposed to slingshot. The other reason is because its a Baer. :tongueout:

:rofl:

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 06:51
Les Baer gets my vote! I own a commanche and will get another!

bac1023
11-28-2010, 07:32
Of course Bac made a seemingly excellent suggestion of a Guncrafter No Name.

No doubt you would love one of Guncrafter's models, MD.

I only have experience with the NN, but I'm sure the others are outstanding as well.

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 08:03
I'd get the NN or an unbobtailed Brown KC or EC if you want something different.

PlasticGuy
11-28-2010, 08:50
...I'm kinda leaning toward a LB TRS Comanche or SRP Comanche with naked slide and hardchrome...
I'd go this route. I've had a Baer Premier II for 8 years, and it is the most accurate and reliable 1911 I've ever owned. I kept thinking that the only way to make it more useful to me is to switch to fixed sights and a more streamlined thumb safety, and maybe chrome it. Instead of messing with it, I bought a hard chrome 5" TRS. I'm just as happy with it as I am with the Premier II.

I had a Comanche sized Baer Concept VII for a few years. I sold it because I have a strong preference for full sized 1911's, but that compact Baer shot great and was 100% reliable. I can highly recommend it.

drc767
11-28-2010, 09:19
I'd skip the Commanche since by design it is not supposed to slingshot.

That would be the dealbreaker for me. I am a slingshot guy....If it won't slingshot, it will not find a place in my safe.......EVER!!

glock2740
11-28-2010, 10:48
Help me pick out a commander. I'm guessing all of them are pretty much on par in the semi-custom world, but is there any that you would NOT recommend? I'm kinda leaning toward a LB TRS Comanche or SRP Comanche with naked slide and hardchrome. I like the Brown and NN too....and probably more once i start looking into it, lol. What do you think?

Here's another question....Ive read that a carbon steel gun gives the tightest fit; if you get that same gun hardchromed, wouldn't that make the fit less "fitted", or is the work done after the coating is in place? Does it really matter?
Here's some No Names for ya. :cool:


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/DRC_Hard_Chrome_NN_COM_0281.jpg

Officer's Match
11-28-2010, 10:53
I think either the SRP or the NN (from what I've read - never touch one) would be a great choice. For me, the best of that class of Commander is the Kobra Carry - they just define Ed Brown and the Commander class for me. I've also had fantastic shooting results with Wilson's 4" Bull barreled Compacts too. How's that for no-help-deciding-whatsoever?

Quack
11-28-2010, 11:04
when i was looking for a Commander sized gun the shop had a Wilson Professional bobtail, Kobra Carry and a Commanche. I was fondling all 3 of them. I ruled out the Wilson because it was $400 more than the Brown and the Professional (the example i handled) wasn't as nice (IMO) for the extra $400. I preferred the GenIII coating over the 2-tone Armor Tuff.

The Baer was ruled out because i wanted a bobtail, and with the magic of a smart-phone, i found that the Commanche may not sling-shot. The Baer's trigger was the worst of the 3 and i didn't care for the finish. It was the least expensive of the bunch though.

I bought the Kobra Carry, for a few reasons.
1. I always wanted one since i first saw them.
2. It was the original bobtail.
3. I wanted a black gun, and the GenIII was to my liking.
4. Best trigger of the 3.
5. Felt like it was put together nicely.

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 11:49
Its funny to see the slingshot thing coming up all the time. When I bought my Commanche I read every single page on another forum where people discuss the subject. What I found was that yes, it does no slingshot BUT it is extremelly reliable, build is outstanding, and it does look and feel like an all business 1911 (nothing against the cute EBs, they are fine guns). I never, never, slingshot so I went ahead and ordered one - the best commander 1911 I ever had (out of two Colts and two DW CBOBs). My Commanche has 750 rounds, about 75 HPs, and it has never failed. I don't even notice the gun slingshots or not, I don't use it that way.

Quack
11-28-2010, 12:05
just depends on how one trains. i don't use the slide stop as a slide release.

drc767
11-28-2010, 12:18
just depends on how one trains. i don't use the slide stop as a slide release.

Same here.....that is why a non-slingshoting 1911 (or any pistol for that matter) is a no-go for me.

wrx04
11-28-2010, 12:39
I'd skip the Commanche since by design it is not supposed to slingshot. The other reason is because its a Baer. :tongueout:

I've read they don't slingshot, but ive also read that is an easy fix:dunno:. If it doesnt slingshot, that might be the deal breaker. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

May i ask why you hate Baers so much? Everyone is always joking about you and LB's, but why do you hate them so much? Is it because of what you said in that other post about the crappy finish and trigger?

wrx04
11-28-2010, 12:43
Here's some No Names for ya. :cool:


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/DRC_Hard_Chrome_NN_COM_0281.jpg

Ahhh jeez, those guns look SO good. Is that one on the bottom HC? The clean lines and classic style of the NN is EXACTLY what i like. How long has that gun been around? It seems like its newer/less known than LB or EB?

wrx04
11-28-2010, 12:48
I think either the SRP or the NN (from what I've read - never touch one) would be a great choice. For me, the best of that class of Commander is the Kobra Carry - they just define Ed Brown and the Commander class for me. I've also had fantastic shooting results with Wilson's 4" Bull barreled Compacts too. How's that for no-help-deciding-whatsoever?

A few months ago the Kobra Carry was #1 on the list, but ive started to like the traditional serations instead of the snakeskin.....that and it seems that everyone has a KC. I want something a little different, even though i agree the gun is incredible. Maybe i just need to win the lotto so i can buy one of everything.:cool:

Quack
11-28-2010, 12:55
I've read they don't slingshot, but ive also read that is an easy fix:dunno:. If it doesnt slingshot, that might be the deal breaker. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

May i ask why you hate Baers so much? Everyone is always joking about you and LB's, but why do you hate them so much? Is it because of what you said in that other post about the crappy finish and trigger?

the easy fix is to have the frame rails shortened to the correct dimension.

I don't like them because i can :rofl:

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 13:24
I can see that if you do slingshot that is an issue, so stay away from the LB commanche. If you don't, like me - ever, then you are up for a really awesome gun. I think that Quack has a problem with LB in general, not just the Commanche cause I've seen him and others joking around about it.

Quack
11-28-2010, 13:26
if bac1023 can't like officer sized or railed 1911's, i can't like Baer's :rofl:

Fire_Medic
11-28-2010, 14:09
A few months ago the Kobra Carry was #1 on the list, but ive started to like the traditional serations instead of the snakeskin.....that and it seems that everyone has a KC. I want something a little different, even though i agree the gun is incredible. Maybe i just need to win the lotto so i can buy one of everything.:cool:

Then you would love these, if you still want an EB:

http://www.edbrown.com/executive.htm

http://www.edbrown.com/executivecarry.htm

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 14:26
Quack, have you ever had a LB?

Quack
11-28-2010, 14:31
Nope, not planning on buying one either. :animlol:

Officer's Match
11-28-2010, 14:50
I had a Baer Commanche (a TDP - Tactical Defense Pistol) that slingshotted perfectly.

bobtail1911
11-28-2010, 15:18
I think that the LB would be all the gun you would need out of those suggested. However, to echo what others have said I have ONLY heard great things about the NM.
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wrx04
11-28-2010, 15:36
Then you would love these, if you still want an EB:

http://www.edbrown.com/executive.htm

http://www.edbrown.com/executivecarry.htm

Yeah, the executive carry looks sweet.

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 15:46
Nope, not planning on buying one either. :animlol:

So what makes you not to like them?

Quack
11-28-2010, 15:47
Didn't say I didn't like them, just not buying one :rofl:

PlasticGuy
11-28-2010, 16:03
just depends on how one trains. i don't use the slide stop as a slide release.
I don't use the slide stop as a release either. All three of my Baer 1911's have worked fine for me, including one Comanche sized model. From slide lock, drop empty mag, insert a full mag, pull the slide back a bit, and release to chamber another round. Is there something I'm missing?

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 16:19
Yeah, the executive carry looks sweet.

And if you want something unique...get it minus the bobtail.
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/4cf4b853.jpg

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 17:34
Then you would love these, if you still want an EB:

http://www.edbrown.com/executive.htm

http://www.edbrown.com/executivecarry.htm

I have been looking at a stainless elite carry or I'm thinking of a Springfield custom cco.....

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 17:39
Didn't say I didn't like them, just not buying one :rofl:

Ok, what makes you not to want to buy one?

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 17:41
Ok, what makes you not to want to buy one?

You mean aside from the peer pressure? :whistling:

Quack
11-28-2010, 17:50
You mean aside from the peer pressure? :whistling:

:perfect10:

Quack
11-28-2010, 17:51
I have been looking at a stainless elite carry or I'm thinking of a Springfield custom cco.....

Pro Armament had one of these earlier in the year. i went back to grab it and it was gone

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/springfield.gif

bac1023
11-28-2010, 17:58
You mean aside from the peer pressure? :whistling:

:rofl:

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 18:05
Pro Armament had one of these earlier in the year. i went back to grab it and it was gone

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/springfield.gif

That's kind of what I'm looking at. A cco built with similar specs as the pro.

Quack
11-28-2010, 18:08
That's kind of what I'm looking at. A cco built with similar specs as the pro.

that would be the Custom Carry Compact and just add your personal touches.
the one i handled was just as tight as my other Custom Shop guns.

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 18:19
You mean aside from the peer pressure? :whistling:


Peer pressure? From where? Really, it really doesn't matter which pistol one buys or doesn't buy. When someone asks a suggestion, I give one based on my experience - since I own a LB (two actually) I can give an opinion. It strikes me that Quack doesn't own one, never did and apparently (for a reason he refuses to share) never will, and yet has a strong opinion against :dunno:

Quack
11-28-2010, 18:27
Hokie already stated the reason, that's it, nothing more.

I offer up the info that is known about the Commanche not being "designed" to slingshot so that the potential buyer doesn't get frustrated because they bought a semi-custom 1911 and can't use the slingshot method.

if you go back far enough you'll find posts of where i wanted a Baer to complete the BBW trinity :rofl:

Quack
11-28-2010, 18:28
or i may have a Baer, but have it in hiding to protect myself from the ridicule of GTer's :rofl:

Officer's Match
11-28-2010, 18:34
that would be the Custom Carry Compact and just add your personal touches.
the one i handled was just as tight as my other Custom Shop guns.

Bull barrel it appears? Very nice pistol I would imagine. Wonder what one in hard chrome would run?

Quack
11-28-2010, 18:37
Yep, bull barrel. The gun that i saw at the shop was ~$2500 and was pretty much the same as the picture i posted above, except the one i saw had Novak's instead of Heinie's

i had a Compact years ago

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/p9070001.jpg

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 18:39
or i may have a Baer, but have it in hiding to protect myself from the ridicule of GTer's :rofl:

:animlol:

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 18:42
or i may have a Baer, but have it in hiding to protect myself from the ridicule of GTer's :rofl:

Reverse peer pressure :rofl:

I was just wondering since I always see this joke coming around between you and LBs 1911s, and I thought you have had a bad experience with LBs!

p.s. too bad SA doesn't offer a version of the Professional in a commander size!

Quack
11-28-2010, 18:58
Reverse peer pressure :rofl:

I was just wondering since I always see this joke coming around between you and LBs 1911s, and I thought you have had a bad experience with LBs!

p.s. too bad SA doesn't offer a version of the Professional in a commander size!

nope, no bad experience, now it's just seeing who'll break first, bac1023 (buy a non-45, rail or officer 1911) or me buying a Baer :rofl:

i believe they did have a small run of Champion sized Pro's. The Professional is just a Custom Carry built to the FBI's spec's, so you can have a Champion built the same way.

Here's a pic of a Custom Carry Compact built with to the Professional spec's

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/cpd221/Photo01CustomCarryCompact-1.jpg

Quack
11-28-2010, 19:00
and here's an article on the first CCC that i posted.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/custom-carry-combat/

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 19:21
nope, no bad experience, now it's just seeing who'll break first, bac1023 (buy a non-45, rail or officer 1911) or me buying a Baer :rofl:

i believe they did have a small run of Champion sized Pro's. The Professional is just a Custom Carry built to the FBI's spec's, so you can have a Champion built the same way.

Here's a pic of a Custom Carry Compact built with to the Professional spec's

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/cpd221/Photo01CustomCarryCompact-1.jpg
That's exactly what I want.....

Quack
11-28-2010, 19:27
it'll probably be closer to $2200 because the one i looked at had the "Radical" melt job on it and that is a $350 option.

Lawdog, you can always order one through George (migunslingers) and put it on layaway.
I believe shipwreck went through him with his Operator and i think he saved a little money going through him as well. ;)

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 19:29
it'll probably be closer to $2200 because the one i looked at had the "Radical" melt job on it and that is a $350 option.

Lawdog, you can always order one through George (migunslingers) and put it on layaway.
I believe shipwreck went through him with his Operator and i think he saved a little money going through him as well. ;)

You really are the devil.......

Quack
11-28-2010, 19:31
You really are the devil.......

:devildance::devildance::devildance::devildance::devildance:

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 19:37
You really are the devil.......

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/bffb7cfc.jpg

Quack
11-28-2010, 19:45
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/motivator1c39e4d783a2da0b41daf14d0b7d3faaf5cccdc5.jpg

brzusa.1911
11-28-2010, 19:45
nope, no bad experience, now it's just seeing who'll break first, bac1023 (buy a non-45, rail or officer 1911) or me buying a Baer :rofl:

i believe they did have a small run of Champion sized Pro's. The Professional is just a Custom Carry built to the FBI's spec's, so you can have a Champion built the same way.

Here's a pic of a Custom Carry Compact built with to the Professional spec's

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/cpd221/Photo01CustomCarryCompact-1.jpg

That is a bad ***** looking pistol!

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 19:54
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/bffb7cfc.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Well played

Quack
11-28-2010, 20:05
here's the link if you don't have it :whistling:
http://www.migunslingers.com/

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 20:08
here's the link if you don't have it :whistling:
http://www.migunslingers.com/

:rofl:

lawdog734
11-28-2010, 20:09
here's the link if you don't have it :whistling:
http://www.migunslingers.com/

You are already on Paul's wife's list, you are going to make my wife's list too:rofl:

Quack
11-28-2010, 20:13
You are already on Paul's wife's list, you are going to make my wife's list too:rofl:

That's alright, they're both married anyways.

well at least you would put this on layaway and it won't be ready for probably 12months. ;)

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 20:15
You are already on Paul's wife's list, you are going to make my wife's list too:rofl:

Yeah, it's in his best interest that they don't cross paths. :whistling:

Fire_Medic
11-28-2010, 20:22
here's the link if you don't have it :whistling:
http://www.migunslingers.com/

well at least you would put this on layaway and it won't be ready for probably 12months. ;)

Oh brother, this is probably going to get me in trouble........:whistling:

Quack
11-28-2010, 20:25
:animlol:

Hokie1911
11-28-2010, 20:40
Oh brother, this is probably going to get me in trouble........:whistling:

George is evil. He ropes you in with really good firearms and excellent prices and closes the deal with the layaway. :shakehead:

drc767
11-28-2010, 20:43
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/cpd221/Photo01CustomCarryCompact-1.jpg

I may have to look into this fine pistol when I place an order with SA this coming week.....:)

Quack
11-28-2010, 20:47
so i guess you like the Springfield Custom Shop guns?

drc767
11-28-2010, 21:31
so i guess you like the Springfield Custom Shop guns?

From what I have seen so far, yes....

IANative
11-29-2010, 11:27
My Concept VII slingshots just fine, although it didn't when new. A gentle polish of the end and top of the slide stop took care of that. Now, it slingshots every time and is 100% reliable in all other aspects.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z348/IANative/Weps/P9020204.jpg

wrx04
12-01-2010, 18:46
Well, I just ordered a Les Baer SRP Commanche. I got it with hard chrome finish, naked slide, single side safety, and short solid trigger. Now i just have to wait for about 16-18 weeks.

I really need to stop looking at this site though, because these things are addicting. I just got my first 1911 (Trojan) a couple months ago, and im already buying another one:faint:.

Thanks to everyone for the advice. Hopefully the Baer lives up to the hype.:wavey:

IANative
12-01-2010, 18:49
You really need to post a pic of that baby THE MOMENT you get it out of that high-dollar box!

Hokie1911
12-01-2010, 19:06
You really need to post a pic of that baby THE MOMENT you get it out of that high-dollar box!

http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/cardboard-boxes.jpg

bac1023
12-01-2010, 21:49
Well, I just ordered a Les Baer SRP Commanche. I got it with hard chrome finish, naked slide, single side safety, and short solid trigger. Now i just have to wait for about 16-18 weeks.

I really need to stop looking at this site though, because these things are addicting. I just got my first 1911 (Trojan) a couple months ago, and im already buying another one:faint:.

Thanks to everyone for the advice. Hopefully the Baer lives up to the hype.:wavey:

Congrats! :cool:

I'm glad you went with the SRP.

I think its Baer's best model.

bac1023
12-01-2010, 21:50
You really need to post a pic of that baby THE MOMENT you get it out of that high-dollar box!

http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/cardboard-boxes.jpg

:rofl:

IANative
12-02-2010, 08:21
http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/cardboard-boxes.jpg

THAT'S the one!