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rsxr22
11-29-2010, 17:38
Im posting these to give people who dont use this grip or are inbetween visuals to why the majority of shooters, shoot high thumbs forward.

Story:
While teaching a CCW course this weekend. The range officer(who is supposed to make sure no one gets injured) decided to interrupt me while I was instructing my students on proper gun grip. He said that it was not a better grip for recoil management. And I shouldnt be teaching students only one way! I told him I only teach one way on a semi auto, but different on a revolver. I proceeded to also tell him what his "actual job" was supposed to be and if he really disagreed, we could show the class first hand! I told him to shoot two rounds and I would shoot 7 and we would see who managed recoil better, he accepted with a smirk on his face. So I'll let you guys pick the winner on this one, Im shooting in the 2nd video!:wavey:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0212.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0212.mp4)
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0213.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0213.mp4)

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 17:40
Ummmm It didnt work, any one know how to post videos? I uploaded them through photobucket and could watch them here!!! HEELP

Gun Shark
11-29-2010, 17:43
Try the link feature not the image feature. It's the one with the world and the infinity symbol.

Quack
11-29-2010, 17:46
Im posting these to give people who dont use this grip or are inbetween visuals to why the majority of shooters, shoot high thumbs forward.

Story:
While teaching a CCW course this weekend. The range officer(who is supposed to make sure no one gets injured) decided to interrupt me while I was instructing my students on proper gun grip. He said that it was not a better grip for recoil management. And I shouldnt be teaching students only one way! I told him I only teach one way on a semi auto, but different on a revolver. I proceeded to also tell him what his "actual job" was supposed to be and if he really disagreed, we could show the class first hand! I told him to shoot two rounds and I would shoot 7 and we would see who managed recoil better, he accepted with a smirk on his face. So I'll let you guys pick the winner on this one, Im shooting in the 2nd video!:wavey:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0212.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0212.mp4)
http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0212.mp4

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0213.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0213.mp4)

http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0213.mp4

added links

Quack
11-29-2010, 17:49
and here are 2 animations.
i didn't teach my guy friend to shoot, but i taught my friends wife to shoot.
they are both shooting a G24.

Photo's were taken at the same FPS.

175# guy with bad technique.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/DSC_1923.gif

110# female with better technique, though she kept locking her elbow
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/DSC_1942.gif

woodrowNC
11-29-2010, 17:53
she's getting a lot less muzzle flip than he is.

Happy Hunting
11-29-2010, 17:54
Cool vids. I hope you masked your chagrin better than I would have.

Quack
11-29-2010, 17:57
it was her first time shooting and she shot better than her husband.
she also shot an AR for the first time that day, she was in the 9-ring using iron sights and had a bullseye on her 2nd round fired.

female's make the best students.

ajgranda
11-29-2010, 18:00
Thanks, a huge difference.

chrisman17
11-29-2010, 18:08
So I'll let you guys pick the winner on this one, Im shooting in the 2nd video!:wavey:
]


The weiner is the guy in the first video!!!:tongueout:

Boxerglocker
11-29-2010, 18:42
female's make the best students.


I gotta agree there, my GF has been shooting with me for 6 months loves it and it moving up the skills ladder quickly. She will be shooting IDPA this comming new year, after a little more holster draw time and mag change drills.

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 19:40
The weiner is the guy in the first video!!!:tongueout:

HAHA definitely! I shut him up real quick!! Its BS that i even have to pay this guy! We do our shooting at a private club that requires a RO, well im a RO!, but im not a club member :whistling:

Thanks for adding those links Don! I agree in part that women are better students. Women normally dont have much experience so its not as hard to teach them "correct grip" whereas a lot of men think they already know how to shoot when really they dont. One age group of men i hate instructing is about 50+. Mainly because there is no changing them, no matter how much you show them! Just like this guy i embarrassed! After we were all done, he picked up his gun and began shooting STILL WITH THE SAME GRIP! I dont get it! If a 24 yr old pup, just taught old dog a new trick, why wouldnt you want to try and see how it works?? Im sure he did, just waited till i was gone LOL:rofl:

G21FAN
11-29-2010, 19:46
To be honest, I have tried both and found the non-thumbs forward to be better in controlling recoil for me.

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 20:03
To be honest, I have tried both and found the non-thumbs forward to be better in controlling recoil for me.

How is that? Is it because it's more comfortable?? At Roger's shooting school, He did demonstrations to prove that there is no other virtual way to get 360 degree contact. Had about 7 different associate instructors all with HUGE to small hands grip the gun in every possible configuration and every single time he was able to find a gap or weak spot. After he used string interweaved in between the same peoples fingers, had them grab the gun the correct way, and then pulled on the string and it looked to me almost that the guns were stuck in the shooters hands.
Could you show some photos of your grip and some of you shooting?

woodrowNC
11-29-2010, 20:09
HAHA definitely! I shut him up real quick!! Its BS that i even have to pay this guy! We do our shooting at a private club that requires a RO, well im a RO!, but im not a club member :whistling:

Thanks for adding those links Don! I agree in part that women are better students. Women normally dont have much experience so its not as hard to teach them "correct grip" whereas a lot of men think they already know how to shoot when really they dont. One age group of men i hate instructing is about 50+. Mainly because there is no changing them, no matter how much you show them! Just like this guy i embarrassed! After we were all done, he picked up his gun and began shooting STILL WITH THE SAME GRIP! I dont get it! If a 24 yr old pup, just taught old dog a new trick, why wouldnt you want to try and see how it works?? Im sure he did, just waited till i was gone LOL:rofl:

i'd say you embarrassed him a little. :supergrin:

G21FAN
11-29-2010, 20:13
How is that? Is it because it's more comfortable?? At Roger's shooting school, He did demonstrations to prove that there is no other virtual way to get 360 degree contact. Had about 7 different associate instructors all with HUGE to small hands grip the gun in every possible configuration and every single time he was able to find a gap or weak spot. After he used string interweaved in between the same peoples fingers, had them grab the gun the correct way, and then pulled on the string and it looked to me almost that the guns were stuck in the shooters hands.
Could you show some photos of your grip and some of you shooting?

I think it has something to do with how short my thumbs are, as with the thumbs forward grip the pistol tends to want to torque out and up to the left, causing the grips to shift on each shot.

Sorry, I don't have pics of my grip or me shooting yet.

I basically lock my right thumb down with my left, which is somewhat extended.

Thumbs forward my left thumb would end around the trigger pin area, no further.

My left thumb is closer to the slide release when I lock down.

Quack
11-29-2010, 20:17
I think it has something to do with how short my thumbs are, as with the thumbs forward grip the pistol tends to want to torque out and up to the left, causing the grips to shift on each shot.

Sorry, I don't have pics of my grip or me shooting yet.

I basically lock my right thumb down with my left, which is somewhat extended.

Thumbs forward my left thumb would end around the trigger pin area, no further.

My left thumb is closer to the slide release when I lock down.

like this?

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/images/sidearmintro/Weaver_Grip.jpg

G21FAN
11-29-2010, 20:20
like this?

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/images/sidearmintro/Weaver_Grip.jpg

Sorry, no pic came thru.

Quack
11-29-2010, 20:25
not the same pic as before

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/HGcombatg_100206B.jpg

G21FAN
11-29-2010, 20:28
not the same pic as before

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/HGcombatg_100206B.jpg

Yep, except my left thumb ends where his second joint is.

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 21:13
Yep, except my left thumb ends where his second joint is.

That is one short thumb brother!!! When you ran thumbs forward did it effect the slide lock back after the last round? This happens to me on a few different guns such as the HK, Sig, Walther, and XD. Sooo I just dont shoot them.

firecatwilson
11-29-2010, 21:19
Very good shooting rsxr22.

I need to teach myself some of that good technique and take some more classes.

Quack
11-29-2010, 21:22
Very good shooting rsxr22.

I need to teach myself some of that good technique and take some more classes.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/combatg_100306/

wmspdi
11-29-2010, 21:28
[QUOTE=rsxr22;16379888]HAHA definitely! I shut him up real quick!! Its BS that i even have to pay this guy! We do our shooting at a private club that requires a RO, well im a RO!, but im not a club member :whistling:

You are not alone... I am a Master Scuba Diver and a scuba diver on a public safety dive team. During the winter months the entire scuba dive team will rent an indoor pool once a month for practice, and to check out our scuba gear in case we called out for a drowning. We dive in strong currents, black water and even under the ice when needed... but we have to pay a teenage LIFE GUARD from the facility's staff to protect us in the indoor pool while we practice.

Go figure. :rofl:

BTW- The Rock is ready to roll... are you ready to part with those LD grips yet?

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 21:39
Very good shooting rsxr22.

I need to teach myself some of that good technique and take some more classes.

I have been shooting for a few years now thumbs forward, but Ive seen the largest improvement this past year. Training is a SUPER important part of becoming more proficient with your handgun, but there are also some other factors. Once you've got your grip down, you must also have a good shooting position( i prefer isoceles) and also have upper body slightly over your lower body. I also spend a lot of time in the gym which helps as well. If you like to workout, hit the weight room harder and work in some forearm exercises in, if you like drinking beers and watching football better, atleast get yourself a grip squeezer and hold the beer in your right hand and exercise your left hand if your a righty, and vice versa for lefty! Your reaction hand is more vital to your grip than your gun hand because that locks the gun into your hands.

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 21:41
[QUOTE=rsxr22;16379888]HAHA definitely! I shut him up real quick!! Its BS that i even have to pay this guy! We do our shooting at a private club that requires a RO, well im a RO!, but im not a club member :whistling:

You are not alone... I am a Master Scuba Diver and a scuba diver on a public safety dive team. During the winter months the entire scuba dive team will rent an indoor pool once a month for practice, and to check out our scuba gear in case we called out for a drowning. We dive in strong currents, black water and even under the ice when needed... but we have to pay a teenage LIFE GUARD from the facility's staff to protect us in the indoor pool while we practice.

Go figure. :rofl:

BTW- The Rock is ready to roll... are you ready to part with those LD grips yet?

LOL sounds very similar to mine! Im glad you like the RIA! And I will get you those LD's as soon as the factory ones for the SIS get to me!!

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 21:44
i'd say you embarrassed him a little. :supergrin:

Ya he definitely wasnt happy! I mean I would have never said the things I did or purposely did that if he wouldnt have acted the way he did. I know it was kind of a smug thing to do, but hes one of those typical people who thinks im still a kid and know nothing about firearms because im only 24! I understand there are a lot out there, but i started shooting guns before i started playing sports LOL

chrisman17
11-29-2010, 22:18
:nsb:

rsxr22
11-29-2010, 22:45
:nsb:

haha very nice Chrisman

G21FAN
11-30-2010, 02:26
That is one short thumb brother!!! When you ran thumbs forward did it effect the slide lock back after the last round? This happens to me on a few different guns such as the HK, Sig, Walther, and XD. Sooo I just dont shoot them.

LOL! Really just short fingers and normal palms.

I didn't bump the slide stop thumbs forward on the Glock, XD, or SIG platforms, But the 1911/Hi-Powers I was bumping almost every shot. Aggravating as all get out.

I'll post a pic as soon as I can.

Mayhem like Me
11-30-2010, 07:51
Guy with red shirt has better grip on weapon...mechanics will determine who has better shot strings

brzusa.1911
11-30-2010, 10:29
Two thumbs forward, strong hand thumb riding the safety - there is not other way, this IS THE RIGHT WAY :whistling:

G21FAN
11-30-2010, 10:32
There isn't a One True Way. Everybody is different and sometimes other ways are better for them. Do what feels comfortable.

BRZ I know you are being sarcastic, BTW.....

rsxr22
11-30-2010, 15:03
Guy with red shirt has better grip on weapon...mechanics will determine who has better shot strings

Your right, mechanics determine your groupings, but you lost me real hard by saying the first shooter has a better grip on the gun:wow:

Obviously you didnt watch the video I guess, check the updated links by Quack

rsxr22
11-30-2010, 15:09
Two thumbs forward, strong hand thumb riding the safety - there is not other way, this IS THE RIGHT WAY :whistling:

Your absolutely right! Not only has this been a standard in semi auto training for a number of years, finally the NRA has recognized it as well. If you need documentation on that, just ask, I'll gladly take a picture from the updated Basic Pistol Book if you dont have one. I inquired to them, posing as just an interested gun owner, and asked them why the thumbs forward was the only grip printed in the manual, was it just because it was the most popular. And just like everything that I had heard from every instructor that i have taken courses with, they answered because this is the only grip to have ultimate stabilization and 360 degree contact of the pistol. G21Fan is a grip i have seen a few times but never actually tried. Basically by them saying this, they are just putting the thumb over thumb and tea cup method to bed.

Cobra64
12-01-2010, 00:25
female's make the best students.

Yes they do.

Those of us who are NRA Certified Pistol Instructor teach three Women On Target (http://carolinawestshooting.org/index_FUNCarolinaWestShootingClub.htm)classes a year at our club.

A few women have also signed up for our Pistol Carbine (http://carolinawestshooting.org/index_PISTOLCARBINETRAININGCarolinaWestShootingClub.htm)classes. (I've trained with the gal in the red visor for 5 years. She's scary accurate with a pistol... on the move.)

As for grip, most of us employ clamshell grip with thumbs forward (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48).

To quote one of my favorite instructors: "Shooting a pistol is simple, but it's not easy." :)

doc540
12-01-2010, 09:21
I've learned a lot about grip from Brian Enos.

"neutral, equal pressure, no muscle tension, etc."

rsxr22
12-01-2010, 09:26
cobra,
Thanks for posting the video of Jarrett! I was going to link this as well, it is probably one of the better grip instruction videos online. Magpul's demonstration is pretty good as well, but you have to buy their dvd for that. His comment about LE and Mil being about 20 years behind the learning curve is also very true in my experience. I have 10 good friends in various branches, all shoot thumb over thumb, except for one and he's SF. Ive tried to help my LE and Mil buddies learn proper grip, but for most of them this is the only way theyve ever learned and couldnt see how a firearms instructor could know more than there training officers or instructors LOL

bellestarr
12-01-2010, 09:53
it was her first time shooting and she shot better than her husband.
she also shot an AR for the first time that day, she was in the 9-ring using iron sights and had a bullseye on her 2nd round fired.

female's make the best students.

Yes we do.:embarassed:

Quack
12-01-2010, 09:56
Yes we do.:embarassed:

and my female friends that i taught to shoot are easy on the eyes :supergrin:

rsxr22
12-01-2010, 14:18
and my female friends that i taught to shoot are easy on the eyes :supergrin:

That always makes it more interesting:embarassed:

Quack
12-01-2010, 15:30
That always makes it more interesting:embarassed:

for those reading along, they weren't students (i'm not an instructor), just female friends ;)

Hokie1911
12-01-2010, 15:59
and my female friends that i taught to shoot are easy on the eyes :supergrin:

Especially compared to shooting with goofballs like me, Knedrgr, and Lawdog. :rofl:

bellestarr
01-27-2011, 22:33
hmm to think about it, I wonder if that was why we only had to pay for ammo for our concealed class over here in FL?? to think about it, we haven't paid any dues either, we are still in "guest of member" status. lmbo It's cool, my good friend was a deal or no deal model and we're gonna surprise the guys with a calendar. How's that for a range fundraiser? Eat your heart out firemen.

Cobra64
01-28-2011, 01:14
cobra,
Thanks for posting the video of Jarrett! I was going to link this as well, it is probably one of the better grip instruction videos online. Magpul's demonstration is pretty good as well, but you have to buy their dvd for that. His comment about LE and Mil being about 20 years behind the learning curve is also very true in my experience. I have 10 good friends in various branches, all shoot thumb over thumb, except for one and he's SF. Ive tried to help my LE and Mil buddies learn proper grip, but for most of them this is the only way theyve ever learned and couldnt see how a firearms instructor could know more than there training officers or instructors LOL

We have two Marines in out club who took a Grayguns class last year. During the assessment drill their accuracy was poor due to the old style cup 'n saucer grip they'd been taught in the Corps. (Marines carry rifles, not sidearms). :supergrin:

Anyway, at the end of two days, when they'd gotten the thumbs forward/relaxed master grip muscle memory down pat, their accuracy with speed had improved tremendously.

Since I sometimes have a tendency towards a death grip, the instructor was coaching me to loosen up and cradle the weapon while he was catching brass. :)

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af185/GunForums/TRAINING/Pistol-Rifle%20-%20Nebo%20NC%20-%2010-8-2010/MARKD02C600x450.jpg

In this shot, I had just transitioned from carbine at 50 yards to pistol at 25 yards, and yes, I'm a lefty.

Cobra64
01-28-2011, 01:20
and my female friends that i taught to shoot are easy on the eyes :supergrin:And as a result, your performance suffers.

Nakanokalronin
01-28-2011, 07:50
And as a result, your performance suffers.

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4943033/Disregard-females-acquire-firearms.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Joseph-Ducreux

lawdog734
01-28-2011, 07:59
and my female friends that i taught to shoot are easy on the eyes :supergrin:

You don't invite me on those days???? What the hell?!?:tongueout:

PhoneCop
01-28-2011, 08:16
No sir, I don't shoot thumbsforward because you can outshoot another man who may have far less time on the trigger than you no matter his age.

I shoot thumbsforward because it works best for me.

Nor do I shoot it because it's the latest whiz-bang theory, used by Fragglefart Snufflelumpypants, supported by loud internet argument, or some "world renowned" instructor sets up a "test" to "prove" his point with all advantage to his position.

We really don't know if thumbsforward works best for the best shooters because they pratice most with the grip or if the grip is superior.

I shoot thumbsforward because it works best for me.

The videos show that you can control recoil better than the interrupting RO. That you use one grip and he another is oft misconstrued as proof that one grip is superior to another.

Recoil control is mostly an ego thing. If the front of the gun rises 1" or 3" that spring is bringing it back to point where the cartridge was ignited if the shooter doesn't intervene. Only a rare few shooters can shoot splits which honestly approach the cycle time of the gun. Since the gun is waiting on the shooter recoil control has little to do with how well (speed and accuracy) the shooter shoots. It's a red-herring...

Again, I shoot thumbsforward, but not because it's proven best, but because it works best for me. If I had 30,000 rnds fired in the last two years with a Weaver grip I could prolly shoot just as well.

We won't know until the research is actually done.

PhoneCop
01-28-2011, 08:25
Anyway, at the end of two days, when they'd gotten the thumbs forward/relaxed master grip muscle memory down pat, their accuracy with speed had improved tremendously.

Or...

Two days of steady training and lots (hundreds? thousands?) of rounds fired improved their shooting.

Let us not underestimate the psychological effect of confidently spoken assurance the grip will improve shooting when it may in fact be lots of trigger time and correction of other errors. Errors like improper trigger press, anticipation of recoil/pre-ignition push, improper sight focus. Finding an true error in stance (such as leanign back, or tilting the head over) and correcting that can make a shooter far more comfortable, stable and confident; his shooting improves.

There is no real proof the grip is the difference. There is some anecdotal evidence based on the best shooters using the grip.

I note that many of the world's best were still the world's best using weaver/combat/whatever before Enos generated the grip. They continued to be the world's best after they switched. So why were they the world's best before the advent of the thumbsforward? More practice? Natural talent? Best equipement? All and more? All and more.

knedrgr
01-28-2011, 08:42
You don't invite me on those days???? What the hell?!?:tongueout:

Next time, you must bring donuts to the range day. :supergrin: Hope you can keep those suckers warm and fresh from KK, so you best use the horns and lights on the cruiser... :animlol:

lawdog734
01-28-2011, 08:51
Next time, you must bring donuts to the range day. :supergrin: Hope you can keep those suckers warm and fresh from KK, so you best use the horns and lights on the cruiser... :animlol:

It's a deal! You bring the hot women, I'll bring the hot doughnuts!

woodrowNC
01-28-2011, 09:00
Im posting these to give people who dont use this grip or are inbetween visuals to why the majority of shooters, shoot high thumbs forward.

Story:
While teaching a CCW course this weekend. The range officer(who is supposed to make sure no one gets injured) decided to interrupt me while I was instructing my students on proper gun grip. He said that it was not a better grip for recoil management. And I shouldnt be teaching students only one way! I told him I only teach one way on a semi auto, but different on a revolver. I proceeded to also tell him what his "actual job" was supposed to be and if he really disagreed, we could show the class first hand! I told him to shoot two rounds and I would shoot 7 and we would see who managed recoil better, he accepted with a smirk on his face. So I'll let you guys pick the winner on this one, Im shooting in the 2nd video!:wavey:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0212.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0212.mp4)
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/th_IMG_0213.jpg (http://s654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/rsxr22/?action=view&current=IMG_0213.mp4)

i shoot autos the same way my daddy taught me 40 yrs ago, except a few years back i went thumbs forward. it was the most natural thing i've ever done. easy. but for the life of me, i can't ride my strong side thumb on the manual safety. tried, can't, ain't gonna try no more. and i shoot a revolver different too. good video.

Cobra64
01-28-2011, 18:18
Or...

Two days of steady training and lots (hundreds? thousands?) of rounds fired improved their shooting.

Let us not underestimate the psychological effect of confidently spoken assurance the grip will improve shooting when it may in fact be lots of trigger time and correction of other errors. Errors like improper trigger press, anticipation of recoil/pre-ignition push, improper sight focus. Finding an true error in stance (such as leanign back, or tilting the head over) and correcting that can make a shooter far more comfortable, stable and confident; his shooting improves.

There is no real proof the grip is the difference. There is some anecdotal evidence based on the best shooters using the grip.

I note that many of the world's best were still the world's best using weaver/combat/whatever before Enos generated the grip. They continued to be the world's best after they switched. So why were they the world's best before the advent of the thumbsforward? More practice? Natural talent? Best equipement? All and more? All and more.

Relax.

Hokie1911
01-28-2011, 18:31
It's a deal! You bring the hot women, I'll bring the hot doughnuts!

Count me in. Woohoo. :wavey:

PhoneCop
01-29-2011, 00:00
Relax.

I'm chill.

Just offering a different perspective.

rod727
01-29-2011, 06:30
Hi Guy's
First post here and so far really enjoy the forum. I did want to say that for me I have to be careful not to put a death grip on the pistol. I think some people equate recoil management with simply holding the gun tighter and that can inadvertently add tension. Proper hand placement is the key as has already been pointed out. It has been my experience that adding tension will have a an adverse effect on accuracy.

Hokie1911
01-29-2011, 06:37
Hi Guy's
First post here and so far really enjoy the forum. I did want to say that for me I have to be careful not to put a death grip on the pistol. I think some people equate recoil management with simply holding the gun tighter and that can inadvertently add tension. Proper hand placement is the key as has already been pointed out. It has been my experience that adding tension will have a an adverse effect on accuracy.

:welcome:

Cobra64
01-29-2011, 09:03
Hi Guy's
First post here and so far really enjoy the forum. I did want to say that for me I have to be careful not to put a death grip on the pistol. I think some people equate recoil management with simply holding the gun tighter and that can inadvertently add tension. Proper hand placement is the key as has already been pointed out. It has been my experience that adding tension will have a an adverse effect on accuracy.

Welcome Rod, always happy to have a new member on board sharing his experiences and opinions. The depth and breath of the knowledge base here is outstanding, and you'll find that, for the most part, we have fun.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Happy%20Faces/Slidelock.gif

Hokie1911
01-29-2011, 09:30
Apparently that dude didn't know what happens when you try to slingshot a gun from a cardboard box. :whistling:

Cobra64
01-29-2011, 09:52
Apparently that dude didn't know what happens when you try to slingshot a gun from a cardboard box. :whistling:

I'd have expected that remark coming from Quack since only Les Baers come in cardboard boxes. :tongueout:

FM12
01-29-2011, 11:13
45 years of locked thumbs prevent any changes at this late date. Works ok for me though.

stukibuilt
01-29-2011, 11:41
Great videos. I must admit, considering the title of the thread I was waiting for someone to lose a finger... :)