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Quack
12-07-2010, 19:53
Is this basically the same thing as Melonite?
I found a local company that does it and will probably try them to refinish project remington.

http://www.blacknitride.com/

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/Bart64199/20101126115432.jpg

bac1023
12-07-2010, 19:57
It looks bit a smoother than Melonite, but its hard to tell from pics.

Quack
12-07-2010, 20:00
Gonna give them a call tomorrow to check on pricing.

awpk03s
12-07-2010, 20:02
I'd be interested to know... Nitride on the Sigs I have looks good and has always been very durable.

thecableguy
12-07-2010, 20:02
Don let me know what you find out about it. I think my RIA (same as the pic) would look good like that and maybe some wood grips or a set of nice black VZ grips.

Cerebrus
12-07-2010, 21:08
I am thinking I might give them a call myself..as this looks like a viable alternative to Melonite..

Quack
12-07-2010, 21:10
the thread i found them on
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/m1911/162623-love-black-nitride.html

There should be some places in CA that do it as well.

thecableguy
12-07-2010, 21:23
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I like the way this Hard Hat treatment looks.
https://severnscustom.com/images/hh_stbd_w_barrel.jpg
https://severnscustom.com/images/hh_muzzle.jpg
I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

Hokie1911
12-07-2010, 21:25
His Teni...., Meloni..... I mean HardHat treatment is top secret. Shhhhhhhhhhh.

Quack
12-07-2010, 21:25
Sarge has.

Officer's Match
12-07-2010, 21:26
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I like the way this Hard Hat treatment looks.
I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

Not personally, but it's supposed to be an excellent finish, and he's a very good 'smith too.

Hokie1911
12-07-2010, 21:27
I've seen a few CBOBs done in HardHat and they look fabulous. Dave definitely does great work for sure.

thecableguy
12-07-2010, 21:31
I have seen his work on the Dan Wessons before. They do look good.

GeorgiaRedfish
12-08-2010, 07:57
Let us know the price it looks awesome.

thecableguy
12-08-2010, 12:38
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I like the way this Hard Hat treatment looks.

I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

$350, including treating the barrel and up to 2 mag bodies, if you wish.
Turn around time is approx. 4 weeks at present

BlayGlock
12-08-2010, 12:51
Black Nitride™, or Ferritic Nitrocarburizing, is the thermochemical that simultaneously diffuses nitrogen and carbon into the surface of ferrous metals

From that site you posted. Its seems that yep, basically the same thing as Melonite, Tennifer, ect.

gomerpyle
12-08-2010, 13:38
I don't have time to look through all my files for specific definitions. Melonite is a salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing, also known as liquid nitro-carburizing. "Black Nitride" can be a few things, differences being if it's a gaseous nitro-carburizing or liquid. Depending on the bath time & temperatures, one gets a thicker case depth and rockwell hardness. According to the website they're using liquid, so I'm assuming it's going to be close to melonite, tenifer, etc. I'm guessing their process is proprietary. Maybe I can get some specs on case depth & hardness if I send them a print & request for quote on a part I'm working on.

ETA: Quack, there's a company called Bodycote that I've used in the past for small & large batch melonite treatment, they do excellent work. There's a facility located in Livonia, Michigan, and London, Ohio. If my memory is correct, the London facility is the only one that does Melonite treatment though. I'll have to double check.

awpk03s
12-08-2010, 19:30
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I like the way this Hard Hat treatment looks.
I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

I had a CBOB done by him. It was okay, but in all truth I wasn't completely satisfied with the appearance of it. Some of the Melonite and IonBond guns I've seen are much nicer looking.

thecableguy
12-08-2010, 19:31
I had a CBOB done by him. It was okay, but in all truth I wasn't completely satisfied with the appearance of it. Some of the Melonite and IonBond guns I've seen are much nicer looking.

Do you have any pictures of it? I would like to see a true picture and not something from the website.

awpk03s
12-08-2010, 19:35
Here you go...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC02588.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC02589.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC02599.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC02600.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/mba656/guns/DSC02579.jpg

thecableguy
12-08-2010, 19:48
Thanks Awpk03s for the pictures but I have to ask why are you not happy with it? To me it looks great, but then again I am only looking at a picture.

awpk03s
12-08-2010, 21:01
Thanks Awpk03s for the pictures but I have to ask why are you not happy with it? To me it looks great, but then again I am only looking at a picture.

There were a couple of smudge like marks - almost like fingerprints - in a couple of places on the slide. It looked very durable and all that, but the smudges would not come off no matter what.

cray2751
12-08-2010, 21:26
I have had 2 of my Baers done by Dave Severns and I was very impressed with the work. Here is a different pic just so you can see it better.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/cray2751/DSC01404.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/cray2751/DSC01410.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/cray2751/DSC01406.jpg

Cobra64
12-09-2010, 01:40
Is this basically the same thing as Melonite?
I found a local company that does it and will probably try them to refinish project remington.

http://www.blacknitride.com/

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/Bart64199/20101126115432.jpg

It looks like Grayguns' Super Black.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/Grayguns/packwood9mm220.jpg





It's held up extremely well on my P226ST with thousands of Kydex holster draws.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020532.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020549.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020550.jpg

Hokie1911
12-09-2010, 06:47
Ahhhhhhhh. Love your Sig. :drool:

Cobra64
12-09-2010, 11:54
Ahhhhhhhh. Love your Sig. :drool:

Thanks Paul. When I see Bruce in April, I'm giving him my NIB Colt 1911 WWI Reproduction to get it to run the way he thinks a quality 1911 should be set up.

Hokie1911
12-09-2010, 11:57
Whoa, that will be sweet for sure. Can't wait to see what he comes up with. For the uninformed, want to list the work done on your 226?

Cobra64
12-09-2010, 14:59
Whoa, that will be sweet for sure. Can't wait to see what he comes up with. For the uninformed, want to list the work done on your 226?

With the Colt? Me too. My objective is to maintain the original 1918 era aesthetics, but with match internals. So at this point, I'm adamant about keeping the sights, trigger, and ejection port stock. From what I've been told, he throws away all the guts, working with only the frame and slide. As for the barrel, apparently Bruce's relationship with Bar-Sto, he can order a period correct Colt barrel but with competition tolerance attributes.

As for the 226ST, it's about 7 years old with 20k down the pipe. The trigger was actually quite good with those many presses on a traditionally fine Sig trigger of that era.

After seeing the Eckernförde German built SL, it seemed to me that my 226 was a base gun candidate for an SL opportunity. A few months later while shooting my 226 at a Grayguns, I asked Bruce if he could morph the 226 into an SL along with his proprietary customer competition trigger, Dawson FO front sight, and Warren tactical rear sight. He mentioned that the only challenge would be weld filling the tac rail, which, as we know, heat causes steel to move (warp). Bruce built a jig with heat sinks to accomplish the welding task with minimal creep and subsequently got the frame to slide relationship tolerances very close to that of an X-Five.

As you can see, the final finish work came out quite handsomely with the Superblack finish covering the weld shocks. The trigger reset is as good as Bac's X-Five.

At our last class, I offered one of the other seasoned 226 shooters my "SL" and he was constantly doubling his shots. :)


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020551.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020554.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020555.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020546.jpg


My Grayguns SL is my favorite training / range pistol. However, my 1911s (with the exception of the WWI Colt) are my favorite dessert. :supergrin:

WideAwake
01-05-2011, 14:11
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I like the way this Hard Hat ...
I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

I have read on other forums that he charges $350 and is difficult to reach. Altranite costs $150 and might be better. Black nitrite is similar but difficult to find a smith that does it.

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 15:13
I have read on other forums that he charges $350 and is difficult to reach. Altranite costs $150 and might be better. Black nitrite is similar but difficult to find a smith that does it.

I emailed him and he got back to me the next day. He quoted me less than that too. I haven't made up my mind to send it in or not yet. I've never heard of Altranite I will look into it, thanks.

extremist
01-05-2011, 19:58
Anyone have any experience with this guy?
https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Treatment.html
I sent him an email about the cost. I'll see what he says.

I had Dave do my Les Baer Thunder Ranch. I'm pleased with the results. It cost $350 + $60 return shipping (OUCH) :faint: but I think the finish is very uniform and nice, and am looking forward to wear results after a lot of IDPA shooting with it (planning on a lot of CDP shooting with my TRS in 2011). Here are some pics:

http://www.lenaburgs.net/images/LesBaer/DSCF9758s.JPG

http://www.lenaburgs.net/images/LesBaer/DSCF9759s.JPG

http://www.lenaburgs.net/images/LesBaer/DSCF9760s.JPG

It took almost twice as long as originally quoted but Dave was very communicative with me and said he wasn't happy with the way the recoil spring plug and bushing turned out so he re-did them to match.

Only thing I can complain about is the price. I REALLY like the Baer Coat (Black-T) on my SRP, and it's holding up very nicely. It's $100 cheaper, so I may use them next. But these guys http://www.blacknitride.com/ are VERY intriguing and even another $50 cheaper. For $200 I would certainly be willing to give them a try.

But alas, I don't have anything that needs refinishing right now, maybe if I start shooting the heck out of my PII, it will be the next candidate.

Regards,
James:faint:

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 20:07
That TRS looks awesome. How long have you had it done? I want to know how it holds up in the long run.

Quack
01-05-2011, 21:45
more info:

I was quoted $200 for the entire 1911 pistol....every part...pins, small parts, sights, barrel, everything....including blasting prep for the matte pre-finish then do the QPQ (Black nitriding) process.


I then called Shade (PM me for the #) and asked several questions which amounted to the following information:

Shade has been bitten by the 1911 bug and has purchased three 1911s this past year and "has spent waaay too much money on them".....lol...sounds like a fimiliar saying from some people....haha. At their facility they do OE metal treatments to approximately 1500+ pistol slides and barrels and tons of ar-15 barrels for various manufacturers either daily or weekley, cant remember...but it was a ***** load.

Each individual customer that sends a 1911 in for the QPQ gets the following:

1 technician does one pistol for the entire QPQ process, all of the parts for that particular pistol say together. So, one person has control of your pistol parts at one time because each of the small parts is sand blasted individually and then QPQ'd individually from what I understood.

Shade said since most customers send in pistols that are worth usually upwards of $1000, H&M's QPQ process is done very carefully for each customer that submits an individual order.

Shade said that they can do "the entire pistol....every part that is steel, no matter how small." They cannot do sights that have glowing night sight inserts, but they can do the fiber optics as long as the fiber can be removed. He told me I can keep my 10-8 rear sight mounted on the slide "no problem."

On the overall, Shade is the firearms representative and he is definitley a "gun guy."

-----I am totally sold. After I get my front strap checkered, I'm going to send my entire freakin gun in. $200......not bad. :rock: :rock:

OH oH...and they will have a booth at the SHOT Show coming up in Vegas. Shade will have a one of his Springfields he did the process to..... w00t w00t

rgregoryb
01-05-2011, 21:49
I had a BHP finished in Isonite (melonite) by Coal Creek Armory in Knoxville. I sent the gun in totally disassembled and was only charged 100.00. Took about 8 weeks, looked great. I would post a photo, but it has already been delivered to the customer.

asiparks
01-05-2011, 23:24
There's a good thread on Altranite on TOS. It is melonite and the guy charges $150 per gun.
I'm sending a BHP as soon as I finish the mods....

My CBOB, finished in melonite by Drake's Gunworks, has been daily carried and abused for over 3 years, and around 17K rounds, and it looks great.

extremist
01-06-2011, 07:08
That TRS looks awesome. How long have you had it done? I want to know how it holds up in the long run.

Just got it back the week of Christmas, and haven't had the chance to shoot it much. I've shot about 70 rounds through it but am looking forward to putting more downrange.

It had about 1200 rounds through it before I sent it off. When I got it back, it was as tight as it was new. But it loosened back up to the buttery smooth way it was before the Hardhat treatment. I haven't disassembled yet, just wiped it down and boresnaked it.

Will be keeping track and letting all know how it is faring. :)

James

Gunman1414
01-15-2011, 12:53
blacknitride.com

Guys do the best work. Pretty sure they do all the work for Severns and Gray Guns.
They have done 3 of my pistols. 2 1911's and a Sig. Look great. Will post pics.