Win .40 Cal 180 gr JHP expansion tests?

[ADK_40GLKr]

Has anyone done any expansion testing with the Win 180 gr JHP in .40 Cal? (I tried shooting thru 3 of those styrofoam meat shipping boxes full of water, and only found 1 fragment in the 3rd box. Apparently the bullet fragmented and the majority somehow ricocheted up out of the water?? Apparently my test conditions were flawed?) Or are they just a lousy SD load?

[BOGE]

...(I tried shooting thru 3 of those styrofoam meat shipping boxes full of water...

Apparently my test conditions were flawed?...



:faint::upeyes:

[DWARREN123]

Use ballistic gel or wet news papers. Also meat from a dead animal works well for testing. The styrofoam may have filled the cavity and the water is not a good medium for testing.
Just my 5 cents worth.

[Suby]

I find This youtube page helpful when thinking about using different sd rounds hope it helps.

http://www.youtube.com/user/tnoutdoors9

[ADK_40GLKr]

Best answer so far was by Mas over in SD to a related question. http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1292943
But he doesn't rate the white box Winchester 180 gr JHP very high at all. Guess I'll have to look on line. Got those Winchesters at WalMart.

[Brucev]

Has anyone done any expansion testing with the Win 180 gr JHP in .40 Cal? (I tried shooting thru 3 of those styrofoam meat shipping boxes full of water, and only found 1 fragment in the 3rd box. Apparently the bullet fragmented and the majority somehow ricocheted up out of the water?? Apparently my test conditions were flawed?) Or are they just a lousy SD load?

Sounds like your testing method is faulty. As far as the Win. ammo is concerned, it is not the equal of top drawer SD ammunition. But, if you put the little front sight where it belongs and pull the boom stick... that 180 gr. JHP is not going to do happy things to the one who finds himself on the receiving end of your Glock! Just remember the old rule of thumb... "If one will do it, two... or three will do it better!"

[IndyGunFreak]

Has anyone done any expansion testing with the Win 180 gr JHP in .40 Cal? (I tried shooting thru 3 of those styrofoam meat shipping boxes full of water, and only found 1 fragment in the 3rd box. Apparently the bullet fragmented and the majority somehow ricocheted up out of the water?? Apparently my test conditions were flawed?) Or are they just a lousy SD load?

180gr PDX1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc5ToYdcq7A

180gr Gold Dot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDQzImIjtk&feature=channel

180gr HST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0p5clf4s6M&feature=more_related

He's got some good videos of expansion/penetration. Spend some time on his channel.

[Glockdude1]

Try 1 gallon water jugs.

Not scientific, but it is fun!!

I have found it takes 5 jugs to stop a .40 from a distance of 10 yards.

:cool:

[ADK_40GLKr]

Try 1 gallon water jugs.
:cool:

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda,....... but found I'd recently done my recycling and all empty milk jugs were gone.

The big styrofoam meat-packing cubes were the next best alternative. They're about 1 foot cubes with approx. 1" walls. Filled 'em with water, and tried to keep the shot below the water line, but apparently the bullet splashed out of the 3rd box. So bullet had penetrated ~ 5" of styrofoam and 20 some inches of water. Even so, the walls of the 3rd box were ruptured out from the impact.

Maybe I should go to the "Convenience station" and bring back some empty jugs? :shocked:

[Glock19Fan]

WalMart or Krogers typically sells water by the gallon jug for 85 cents a gallon or so. I prefer this method, becuase for some reason I can never seem get the milk jugs clean enough to quit smelling. Not only that, but i hate the clutter involved with keeping them all.

IMO, soaked newspapers or phone books is a very inconsistant and unaccurate method of testing. The saturation level of the medium is reduced with each shot, cuasing the expansion of each round to be inconsistant.

Water jugs IMO is the most accurate method next to gelatin. And in my comparisions, there isnt that big of a difference.

One suggestion I do have is to throw an old towel over the jugs. In several instances, the bullet would exit one jug, but without enough energy to penetrate the next, it would bounce and was very difficult to recover.

[481]

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda,....... but found I'd recently done my recycling and all empty milk jugs were gone.

The big styrofoam meat-packing cubes were the next best alternative. They're about 1 foot cubes with approx. 1" walls. Filled 'em with water, and tried to keep the shot below the water line, but apparently the bullet splashed out of the 3rd box. So bullet had penetrated ~ 5" of styrofoam and 20 some inches of water. Even so, the walls of the 3rd box were ruptured out from the impact.

Maybe I should go to the "Convenience station" and bring back some empty jugs? :shocked:

Get yourself a six foot length of 8" diameter PVC Sched. 40 and cut it in half lengthwise to form a half-pipe then align 8-12 sealed one gallon freezer bags filled with water (make sure you get all of the air out of them) along its length.

You can then affix any intervening barrier(s) that you want to the front of the arrangement for testing.

The "Fackler Trough" eliminates the need to "wait" :upeyes: for "empties" :supergrin: and is fairly economical to use if you shop around for generic gallon freezer bags.

:)

[Eagle22]

Buy water jugs, and some Jello mix.

pour the water in to a big pot and boil. add in the jello mix and pour back into the jugs. let cool.

Not as consistency as the ballistic jell but what the heck.

hmm maybe not. Could splatter all over the place.

[IndyGunFreak]

Buy water jugs, and some Jello mix.

pour the water in to a big pot and boil. add in the jello mix and pour back into the jugs. let cool.

Not as consistency as the ballistic jell but what the heck.

hmm maybe not. Could splatter all over the place.

You might as well just shoot straight water, and save the money you'd spend on the jello.

One thing I've thought... is you know how lard kind of "hardens" when its cold.... Put some lard on the stove on a low heat, till it starts to liquify, pour in containers, and cool, to let the lard harden back up....

I haven't tried it yet, but it's on my list of "to-do's" next summer.

IGF

[SDGlock23]

Pick up some Remington 180gr JHP's from Walmart. I like those for "cheap" hollow points, much nicer than the Winchester version.

[Eagle22]

Pick up some Remington 180gr JHP's from Walmart. I like those for "cheap" hollow points, much nicer than the Winchester version.

How so?

I just picked a few boxes of 40 and 45 WWB JHPs Have not shot them yet.

[IndyGunFreak]

How so?

I just picked a few boxes of 40 and 45 WWB JHPs Have not shot them yet.

Nothing wrong w/ either... I like the WWB JHP's. I typically carry Gold Dots, but my 1911, will not feed Gold Dots reliably at all.

It feeds the WWB JHP just fine, and I have no issue w/ that.

IGF

[BrokenArrow]

About 14/.64 in bare gel, about 18/.52 through cloth.

10 rounds through denim, 3 expanded Ok, 3 just deformed a little, and 4 not much at all.

IIRC, in the 40 shot, 8 event FBI test series, they avg about 16.5/.53, w 92.5% going at least 12 inches (3 of 5 did 11.75 through glass).

[fastbolt]

The "performance" of the older JHP design used in the low cost RA40180HP & USA40JHP isn't likely going to demonstrate the same consistent robust expansion and resistance to plugging in heavy cloth/4 layer denim testing as the more modern design bullets.

Also, it might be unrealistic to expect the same QC standards to be demonstrated by budget, low-cost lines when compared to the more expensive lines.

This Winchester 180gr load was basically the original .40 S&W JHP load. There are arguably better defensive bullet designs and loads to be found nowadays.