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JT2424
12-11-2010, 11:09
What is your most accurate load using WST and 230gr FMJ out of a g21.
I'm getting mixed results with some of my loads and can't settle on one.
If you guys could please include OAL, amount of crimp, primer choice and charge weight. Thanks in advance.
JT

fredj338
12-11-2010, 11:14
Your gun will tell you what is an accurate load. WST is a good start. I run 4.7gr under a Win 230grFMJ @ 1.250"-1.255" OAL, the crimp measures around 0.471-0.4721" w/ a std TC (no LFCD please). Your gun may shoot that well or not. For best accuracy, I don't find FMJ terribly accurate. A Sierra JHP or XTP have always shot better, but way too pricey for practice ammo. I can even get a well cast 200gr lead bullet to shoot betterr than most RNFMJ.

EL_NinO619
12-11-2010, 12:00
just bought my first 1lb of WST and cant wait to try it. I will also be using 230gr FMJ's.

JT2424
12-11-2010, 12:20
Why not a fan of LFCD Fred?

IndyGunFreak
12-11-2010, 13:19
Why not a fan of LFCD Fred?

:popcorn:

:rofl:

This is gonna turn into a 15 page thread now!

Theres some here who swear by the FCD, there's some here who despise it. There's also a few of us who use it, but aren't so irrational to think that it has to be used to produce some quality loads.

Thankfully, I'm not obsessed, so I'm in camp #3.. ;)

IGF

GioaJack
12-11-2010, 13:23
:popcorn:

:rofl:

This is gonna turn into a 15 page thread now!

Theres some here who swear by the FCD, there's some here who despise it. There's also a few of us who use it, but aren't so irrational to think that it has to be used to produce some quality loads.

Thankfully, I'm not obsessed, so I'm in camp #3.. ;)

IGF


Nothing worse than a fence sitter... cowboy up and pick a damn side!


Jack

JT2424
12-11-2010, 16:56
I was just asking. I'm not trying to create a huge debate. I'm pretty fresh to reloading and the first set of dies I purchased for 45acp had it so I use it. I'm always open to suggestions from more seasoned reloaders. Either way back to my question would like to see some of your guys loads.

Boxerglocker
12-11-2010, 17:16
Why not a fan of LFCD Fred?

:popcorn:

:rofl:

This is gonna turn into a 15 page thread now!

Theres some here who swear by the FCD, there's some here who despise it. There's also a few of us who use it, but aren't so irrational to think that it has to be used to produce some quality loads.

Thankfully, I'm not obsessed, so I'm in camp #3.. ;)

IGF

and in this corner weighing in at..... :whistling:

4.9g of WST behind a 200g Moly RHHB is my current pet load in .45ACP

XDRoX
12-11-2010, 17:41
I've loaded 4.4gr of WST under a 230gr plated bullet at 1.240" OAL. It's a pretty soft load.

Oh, and I don't use a LFCD.

fredj338
12-12-2010, 02:16
Why not a fan of LFCD Fred?
The LFCD can cause accuracy issues. Here is a test I ran w/ plated bullets. I had less issues w/ jacketed & hard cast lead, but soft plated bullets, it doesn't help accuracy. These groups are shot @ 15yds. I repeated the test on separate days to make sure it wasn't me, same results. I just don't find the LFCD required to amke accurate, reliable ammo. "A brilliant solution to a none existent problem".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/200PTC.jpg

JT2424
12-12-2010, 02:30
Well looks like I'm going to need a taper crimp die. I appreciate the info you guys all provide. Fred it's guys like you that make the learning curve on reloading a little quicker for us noobs thank you.

GioaJack
12-12-2010, 10:49
If you didn't buy a 4 die set, (separate seat/separate crimp dies) the crimp function is built into your seating die. Just adjust it to seat and crimp with one pull of the handle.


Jack

tjpet
12-12-2010, 11:40
I've shot a lot of 230grn.RNs (plain lead, plated, jacketed) with 4.5grn. WST. A nice, soft, accurate load that runs well in all .45ACP pistols.

However, my everyday go-to, everything handload consists of a 200grn.LSWC w/5.0grns. WST. Superbly accurate, clean burning, easy recoiling and powerful it's only drawback is the SWC design which doesn't feed well in a lot of modern pistol designs (Glock, XD, etc.). For those I've subbed LRNFP (aka cowboy) bullets for just about the same results, slightly less accuracy.

fredj338
12-12-2010, 12:12
I've shot a lot of 230grn.RNs (plain lead, plated, jacketed) with 4.5grn. WST. A nice, soft, accurate load that runs well in all .45ACP pistols.

However, my everyday go-to, everything handload consists of a 200grn.LSWC w/5.0grns. WST. Superbly accurate, clean burning, easy recoiling and powerful it's only drawback is the SWC design which doesn't feed well in a lot of modern pistol designs (Glock, XD, etc.). For those I've subbed LRNFP (aka cowboy) bullets for just about the same results, slightly less accuracy.

Amen tj. That pretty much is my go to 45acp load; 4.9gr-5gr of WST under a 200gr something. I have moved to this bullet for all 45acps, feeds in everything & shoots pretty darn good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/45200TCPB.jpg

EL_NinO619
12-12-2010, 12:24
OT ? If you load mouse farts, can they make your POI high?

fredj338
12-12-2010, 15:43
OT ? If you load mouse farts, can they make your POI high?
Depends on bullet wt but generally, lighter loads will shoot slightly lower, at least at 25yds or so.

Max1775
12-12-2010, 17:07
I'm using 4.7 of WST under a Hornady 230 RN-FMJ at 1.250" just like Fred has suggested (which is where I think I got my data from originally). Works flawlessly and is very accurate in my G30 even with the FCD. It is also the same charge I'm using for 9mm and 40 cal. A .57 disc in my Lee pro auto disk works great.

Glock21sf-miami
12-14-2010, 19:17
My go to load is 5.0 grs of WST pushing a 200 gr Montana Gold JFP, various headstamps in brass, Winchester large pistol primers. Please note that this is a 200gr bullet, a slight departure from what the OP is asking but they are a good deal when you buy the case.

nscob
12-19-2010, 12:39
My load of 4.7 WST 200g lee lswc (my cast)WWAC LLA @1.200-1.220 is incredible in Kimber 4 in. and Sig 220. An 8 lb'er of WST and most all my lead is dedicated to this.

Fred, your info (and suggestions) is like a book of reference all has worked for me well. Your info on WSF is all I use on 9mm and .40 also.

RustyFN
12-19-2010, 14:32
Same here, 4.9 to 5 grains of WST under my own 200 grain SWC's.

fredj338
12-19-2010, 17:28
My load of 4.7 WST 200g lee lswc (my cast)WWAC LLA @1.200-1.220 is incredible in Kimber 4 in. and Sig 220. An 8 lb'er of WST and most all my lead is dedicated to this.

Fred, your info (and suggestions) is like a book of reference all has worked for me well. Your info on WSF is all I use on 9mm and .40 also.
Hey, as long as you aren't using TG, I am a happy man.:supergrin:

nscob
12-20-2010, 19:14
Well I found some .357 I loaded with TG. It was some I forgot I had,and while destroying the targets and grinning(686,6 in.)I made mental note to get more, but decided against after reading more of your post's about it. I am happy with 2400 and Unique. Also the 1.200-1.220 on the .45 looks ok to you Fred,or anyone else. Thanks again Fred.

shotgunred
12-20-2010, 19:29
I'm using 4.7 of WST under a Hornady 230 RN-FMJ at 1.250" just like Fred has suggested (which is where I think I got my data from originally). Works flawlessly and is very accurate in my G30 even with the FCD. It is also the same charge I'm using for 9mm and 40 cal. A .57 disc in my Lee pro auto disk works great.

Hard to beat that. 3 different calibers. One powder and charge weight. Even I could remember that.

Hey, as long as you aren't using TG, I am a happy man.
Reminds me that I used the last of my tightgroup on Sunday.

Boxerglocker
12-20-2010, 19:50
Hey, as long as you aren't using TG, I am a happy man.:supergrin:

Fred, what range do you recommend for a 9mm 125g again using WST? I accidentally deleted our PM's discussing it?

I want to load a BC 125g moly coated LRN long at 1.150 for my Spartan.

Wash-ar15
12-20-2010, 20:03
I shot some 147gr lead with 3.6 Wst at IDPA and did all head shots with no problem

ColCol
12-20-2010, 21:27
I don't even see WST listed as a powder for a 230 gr bullet in the Hornady manual#7). I've never used that powder before. In fact, never heard of it until a few months ago. Is it faster than HS-6...sort of like AA#5?

Boxerglocker
12-20-2010, 21:51
I shot some 147gr lead with 3.6 Wst at IDPA and did all head shots with no problem

Is it chronoed? What about 124/125g 9mm?

Wash-ar15
12-20-2010, 22:19
have not chrono'ed it yet,but I am confident it should make it.Have not tried wst with 124 lead yet,but i do load a 124 gr PD FMJ over 5.1 gr WST and that thing is great.I like it so much I'm gonna pump out 1k as SHTf ammo. I did chrono this load and its going 1085. about 135pf.

IndyGunFreak
12-21-2010, 08:15
I don't even see WST listed as a powder for a 230 gr bullet in the Hornady manual#7). I've never used that powder before. In fact, never heard of it until a few months ago. Is it faster than HS-6...sort of like AA#5?

It's faster than HS-6... not really sure on AA#5.

It's actually a good .45 powder. I'm gonna start trying it in 9mm next. It's much cleaner than 231...

There's loads out there for it, you just gotta look around. Fred has posted plenty of loads for it.

fredj338
12-21-2010, 11:02
Fred, what range do you recommend for a 9mm 125g again using WST? I accidentally deleted our PM's discussing it?

I want to load a BC 125g moly coated LRN long at 1.150 for my Spartan.
Start & 4.6gr & work it up to 4.9gr as max depending on OAL. SHould run right around 1100fps @ 4.9gr w/ a LRN or LTC, again, depending on OAL.
I don't even see WST listed as a powder for a 230 gr bullet in the Hornady manual#7). I've never used that powder before. In fact, never heard of it until a few months ago. Is it faster than HS-6...sort of like AA#5?
WST is listed in the Hodgdon manual & site. Just another reason to own more than one manual. It's not practical for every data source to try every powder & bullet combo. WST is a tiny bit faster than W231, much faster than AA#5 or HS6, slower than TG. It is best used for std vel loads in low pressure rounds like the 45acp, but can be used for upper midrange loads in 9mm & 40. If every TG user tried it, they would never go back to TG.:supergrin:

unclebob
12-21-2010, 18:36
If every TG user tried it, they would never go back to TG.:supergrin:

Sorry Fried but I have tryed it. But I for one well stick with the TG.

fredj338
12-21-2010, 18:40
Sorry Fried but I have tryed it. But I for one well stick with the TG.

Well Bob, there is always one. Curious why stay w/ TG, what did you not like about WST?:dunno:

unclebob
12-21-2010, 19:16
Well Bob, there is always one. Curious why stay w/ TG, what did you not like about WST?:dunno:

For the application that I use it for which is GSSF. I did not get as good as accuracy as I did with the TG and I did not like the recoil. Maybe if I played with it more I could have gotten the accuracy down. But then I still would have the recoil that I do not like. Plus the group that I travel with for the GSSF matches. Some of them use the same load. So if for some reason I had to use up the extra ammo that I take. And I need more ammo I can use theirs. Or they can use mine if need be. Our loads are about as low as you can make them and still work in all of the stock guns that we use.

fredj338
12-22-2010, 01:06
Hmm, I have always found he recoil of WST quite soft compared to equal vel loads using other powders. I don't do gamer loads, so I can't really compare. I understand your point, those tiny little charges just doesn't work for me.:wavey: