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GJ1981
12-16-2010, 11:19
I'm having some work done on my TRS and got a call from the shop. They are concerned over how Baer does they checkering, and with the HC, they feel it will look terrible. The main thing is the inconsistent depths, flattened points, etc.

Now, I'm not overly concerned with looks, I care about function. That said, how bad is HC about showing minor flaws? I've heard/read it's bad but I've never really had experience with HC.

I'm just debating my options, a different finish, having the shop fix the flaws, or not worrying about it. I think I know what I'll do, I mainly interested in hearing about HC.


For reference of how Baer's checkering is. My Baer with it's new Legacy Custom Magwell.



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bac1023
12-16-2010, 11:22
Hard chrome can make flaws stand out much more than they do otherwise when it comes to broken tips and things of that nature.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-16-2010, 11:34
Yes. I have had bad hard chrome jobs before, and they suck. And yea, any flaw will REALLY stand out.

Now, I have had a 1911 hard chromed before, with 20 LPI checkering (a TRP). The shop (Tripp research) screwed up the finish on some of the small parts and a couple of other places - but their job on the checkering was perfect.

GJ1981
12-16-2010, 13:28
This will be going through Metaloy if everything goes as planned. I want to do a 2-tone for some reason.

The issue with flaws being so critical is making me think twice though.

I :dunno: I have so many black pistols I wanted a change, but I'm starting to ask myself if it's worth it or not.

Hokie1911
12-16-2010, 13:32
This will be going through Metaloy if everything goes as planned. I want to do a 2-tone for some reason.

The issue with flaws being so critical is making me think twice though.

I :dunno: I have so many black pistols I wanted a change, but I'm starting to ask myself if it's worth it or not.

So just have the slide HC'd then. Don't even mess with the checkering. Then you will have the 2-toned look you're going for. :thumbsup:

MD357
12-16-2010, 13:36
HC brought out all the little imperfections (small amounts of pitting) on my Colt carry gun. Oh well, the HC is standing up to quite a bit of holster wear.

Hokie1911
12-16-2010, 13:37
HC brought out all the little imperfections (small amounts of pitting) on my Colt carry gun.

Pics?

GJ1981
12-16-2010, 13:46
So just have the slide HC'd then. Don't even mess with the checkering. Then you will have the 2-toned look you're going for. :thumbsup:

I honestly don't care for that style of 2-tone for some reason.

I just wish I could see how bad things would be. The shop may be making sound worse than they are, but then again, maybe not.

MD357
12-16-2010, 13:52
Pics?

Here's the gun via crappy Iphone. Sorry, I'm no Quack when it comes to pics. Forgive the box, I'm moving into a new home soon.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/JD8/003-1.jpg


Oh and FWIW, this gun has probably close to 4K rounds through it? and has been carried for nearly nearly two years. HC does hold up pretty good IMO.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-16-2010, 14:28
Yes, other than the CDP Kimbers, I don't care for reverse 2 tone either.

But, hard chrome is not fantastic for rust protection - keep this in mind if you want to carry it IWB...

I really want to carry my Full Rail Custom Shop Operator - but I don't want to rust up such an expensive gun. And, while it offers some protection, its not really a good finish to prevent rust...

GJ1981
12-16-2010, 14:36
But, hard chrome is not fantastic for rust protection - keep this in mind if you want to carry it IWB...


I have heard that but don't know since I tend to go for the black finishes.

I'm more of a OWB and kydex type lately.

MD357
12-16-2010, 14:37
And, while it offers some protection, its not really a good finish to prevent rust...

That's not true. Honestly, there are some exceptions of guys that have toxic sweat, but by far and large you'd have to neglect a PROPERLY chrome'd gun pretty bad to see it rust.

GJ1981
12-16-2010, 14:40
I've never had issues with rust on my carry pistols luckily. However, if I did on my current builds, Metaloy has a great warranty to cover it.

bac1023
12-16-2010, 14:44
I think Metaloy is some of the best HC around.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-16-2010, 14:59
That's not true. Honestly, there are some exceptions of guys that have toxic sweat, but by far and large you'd have to neglect a PROPERLY chrome'd gun pretty bad to see it rust.

It IS true. I will say that I REALLY want to carry that hard chromed Full Rail Custom Shop Operator - I've even asked for others who have experienced rust on their hard chromed carry guns to tell me about it... As, while it's not a super common occurrence, it happens often enough to give me pause to0 carry a hard chromed $3k gun.

Hard chrome has microscopic pores that can allow rust to begin. Can some shops do a better job than others? Yes. However, the issue can vary from specimen to specimen, and there really isn't a decent way to know it will happen until it does. I've seen reports of too many rusted hard chromed guns over the years to risk it, personally...

There was a rusted Nighthawk story posted in this forum just a week or two ago in fact.

Does every hard chrome gun rust when carried IWB? No. It it was a sub $1000 gun, I might even be tempted to risk it, I suppose.

When I carried my P99c with a hard chromed slide for over 3 years, I was using an OWB leather holster. So, if I got sweat on the gun, it was only ever on the grip. And usually, I never got sweat on the gun.

If I could open carry, I'd carry my hard chromed 1911, because I wouldn't have it up against my side like that. But, otherwise, I wouldn't do it. And for every guy who claims that their hard chromed gun isn't rusting, you can find someone who's gun has... And, some of these guys claim that they tried to protect the gun and use substances to lessen the changes, but it still happened.

Back when Tripp Research did hard chrome, he even had a super long page with technical facts and such - detailing how hard chrome was not a great rust p-roof finish, and why this was so.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-16-2010, 15:06
I think Metaloy is some of the best HC around.

There is Metaloy and then there is Mahovski's Metalife (a different company)... I had Mahovski's refinish a slide on a polymer gun and remove some engraving on it beforehand. I was told that they could do it, and even checked with them after they received the slide and looked at it.

I've seen guys who have had words removed on 1911 slides for years... Well, let me tell ya that they ruined the appearance of the slide - I mean BAD. Itw as so bad that I just sold the gun as a beater.

I've had issues with Tripp Research a couple of times in the past, and had tos end stuff back to him. 1 time, it still didn't come back done right. Admittedly, I didn't give mahovski's a chance to fix it - because I didn't want to go thru the hassle like I got from Tripp's, and it was just SO bad that I didn't see the point in giving them another chance...

But, admittedly, there are guys who love a certain hard chromer, and then there will be some negative experiences as well...

Mahovski was on the lower priced spectrum, so that is why I gave them a chance...

I always thought I'd give Ford's a chance if I ever deal with hard chrome again...

I don't know who does the hard chroming for Springfield. Tripp used to do some hard chroming for different companies. If I remember right, Metaloy does it for Nighthawk.. BUt then look at the guy who had the rusted Nighthawk just recently...

MD357
12-17-2010, 00:02
I've seen reports of too many rusted hard chromed guns over the years to risk it, personally...


Yep, and I've seen a Glocks rust too. Doesn't mean it's the norm. Oh and that gun I posted has easily the work you have in your operator in it.

Sorry, but I've been carrying HC'ed 1911 of some sort for years with no problems. I've seen guns that were chromed in the 80s still hold their finish. I don't think it's the end all be all but it's a great rust resistant finish, that doesn't mean rust proof and it matters who did it. Granted you have to do your job aswell.

PlasticGuy
12-17-2010, 12:06
My Baer TRS is hard chromed, and it looks great. I really like it, and it's holding up perfectly.

Glockster17
12-17-2010, 15:35
What is everyone's opinion on NP3 from Robar. I know it isn't 'hard chrome' but it looks like a matte chrome doesn't it? Better rust protection? --Rob

GJ1981
12-17-2010, 15:50
What is everyone's opinion on NP3 from Robar. I know it isn't 'hard chrome' but it looks like a matte chrome doesn't it? Better rust protection? --Rob

It's great, I've had it on a old pistol.

The looks can be tricky, it tends to be more of a dull gray and can look yellowish/gray at times.

It does have excellent corrosion resistance, probably better than HC.

I was going to use it but was told it too would show imperfections.

Hokie1911
12-17-2010, 15:52
What is everyone's opinion on NP3 from Robar. I know it isn't 'hard chrome' but it looks like a matte chrome doesn't it? Better rust protection? --Rob

I personally prefer the look of NP3+ to HC. Sorry Joe. :rofl:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-17-2010, 18:18
It does have excellent corrosion resistance, probably better than HC.

PROBABLY? Man, NP3 is way better than hard chrome when it comes to rust protection. It WILL wear from holster wear. But for protection against rust, I think it's the best finish there is.

h2o-5o
12-17-2010, 18:36
This will be going through Metaloy if everything goes as planned. I want to do a 2-tone for some reason.



Here are some pics of my two-tone Browning Hi-Power, finished in Metaloy hard chrome and Metaloy "Tactikote".

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Phillips%20Hi%20Power/Phillips-right.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Phillips%20Hi%20Power/Phillips-left.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Phillips%20Hi%20Power/Phillips-front.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Phillips%20Hi%20Power/Phillips-rear.jpg

h2o-5o
12-17-2010, 18:42
Here's another BHP done in all hard chrome, with the plating work done by Terry Wolford.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-left.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-right.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-rear.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-front.jpg

MD357
12-18-2010, 00:36
Here's another BHP done in all hard chrome, with the plating work done by Terry Wolford.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-left.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-right.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-rear.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Williams%20Hi%20Power/WilliamsBHP-front.jpg

Beautiful gun, you sure you want it out in the elements like that? It will surely rust immediately. :whistling::supergrin:

GJ1981
12-18-2010, 07:36
PROBABLY? Man, NP3 is way better than hard chrome when it comes to rust protection. It WILL wear from holster wear. But for protection against rust, I think it's the best finish there is.

I agree, I only said probably because I've never had HC so don't know anything from firsthand experience.

I had Nickel Teflon on a 1911, not 100% sure it was NP3 though, and I remember it showed some wear.

I've been lucky, I haven't been able to rust even the weak bluing like my Baer. I'm rolling the dice, I guess, and if HC does rust for me, I'll get it redone (their dime) and be another case of it happening.

I would be curious of how NP3 compares to Melonite for corrosion resistance though, I think they both would be near the top.

GJ1981
12-18-2010, 07:39
Here are some pics of my two-tone Browning Hi-Power, finished in Metaloy hard chrome and Metaloy "Tactikote".

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/gunslinger902/Phillips%20Hi%20Power/Phillips-right.jpg



Sweet, I remember when I first saw these pics. I was having my BHP worked on and almost switched to a two-tone.

I thought about going with their TK, since it will be there for the HC, but have decided on Ionbond for the slide. It is more expensive but I figure I only live once.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-18-2010, 07:50
I agree, I only said probably because I've never had HC so don't know anything from firsthand experience.

I had Nickel Teflon on a 1911, not 100% sure it was NP3 though, and I remember it showed some wear.

I've been lucky, I haven't been able to rust even the weak bluing like my Baer. I'm rolling the dice, I guess, and if HC does rust for me, I'll get it redone (their dime) and be another case of it happening.

I would be curious of how NP3 compares to Melonite for corrosion resistance though, I think they both would be near the top.

Well, I really wanted to carry my hard chromed 1911, but I'm going to pass. I don't want to risk it.

I even started a thread here asking others about their experiences, and I got a few... It mirrors what I've read over the years too.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=295267

At best, I'd carry it in the winter and not in the summer, but I've decided not to do it at all.

GJ1981
12-18-2010, 07:58
I even started a thread here asking others about their experiences, and I got a few... It mirrors what I've read over the years too.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=295267

At best, I'd carry it in the winter and not in the summer, but I've decided not to do it at all.

I saw that thread, and it does make me second guess my decision, but since my HC of choice has a great warranty, if things go south it's their money being lost.

If it happened too many times, I think they'd end up paying for a different finish. But, I'll wait to see if I cross that bridge.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-18-2010, 08:32
Well, I don't know if there is any long term issues of repeatedly stripping hard chrome. I'll admit that.

Mine was done by Springfield - I don't know who does their factory chroming, and I don't know the warranty level of what they would cover if it rusts.

But, I believe the gun may have been stripped and rechromed 1x already.The gun came in with an idiot scratch and I had to send it back immediately upon recepit). Dave at the Springfield Custom Shop thought that it could be worked on without having to have the hard chrome stripped off of a brand new gun.

However, when I got the gun back a month later, the invoice stated that it had been re-hard chromed.

I really don't want to have to have to done again if I rusted the gun.

The gun is already so tight that I don't want to start changing the finish. It's actually a great finish to prevent scratches... And, I never thought I'd carry it when I ordered it. But, I am just so impressed with the accuracy. It is a 9mm 1911 - and admittedly, my Beretta 92 has more ammo capacity. But, my 9mm Springfield does shoot groups tighter than my Beretta and has even less recoil... In the end, though, I think that if I am going to switch from my Beretta to a 1911, I probably should increase the caliber and go with 45....

I'll just carry something else. I'll either keep carrying my Beretta, buy a new Ed brown in Gen #, or send of my current Special Forces to be redone in Gen 3... I think that's my list of decisions now...

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-18-2010, 08:37
I saw that thread, and it does make me second guess my decision, but since my HC of choice has a great warranty, if things go south it's their money being lost.

Well, in your case, if the hard chromer gives such a warranty, I can see your point. I guess I would try it too.

I will say this, I sent a TRP to Tripp Research to be hard chromed - they totally screwed up the finish. I sent it back, and after dragging it out almost 2 months, I finally got it back. It still looked bad.

I ended up selling the gun at a loss, and I never sent a complete gun to Tripp for refinishing again. He seemed to do well on just slides (form polymer guns), but their quality control for a complete gun was horrendous.

Anyway, after that, I vowed to myself never to send off a 1911 for refinishing if it worked great and shot awesomely again :) - I don't want to tempt fate... I should have left well enough alone...

I admit that I am contemplating sending my Brown back to the factory for Gen III finish. 1 thing in my favor is that it would be done by the factory. But, I still haven't decided what I will do.

GJ1981
12-18-2010, 08:51
This will be my first experience with HC, not counting my Desert Eagle.

SA's Custom Shop is doing the weld-on magwell and a few other small things. I requested Metaloy but never bothered to ask who SA normally used for HC. I figured Metaloy's has the quality I'm after.

After reading several threads, I asked Dave about warranty issues and he assured me that they (SA) would handle everything should any problems arise.

Being the pessimist that I am, I would think if there was the need to keep sending it back for refinishing, eventually a new/different finish would be offered as an alternative. I couldn't see the pistol being constantly redone in HC if problems were so frequent.

GOOFA
12-19-2010, 05:17
h2o-5o...

I just wanted to compliment you on your BHP's, simply gorgeous!

glock2740
12-19-2010, 12:33
I think Metaloy is some of the best HC around.
I agree. I have a gun that was HC'd by Virgil Tripp and it's a beauty too.