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KindaBigBullet
12-22-2010, 10:54
When I was first introduced to firearms, there were a few laid out in front of me to mess with.

hk45
g22
g27
p99
p226 elite
2 1911

Since I didn't know what to look for in a gun, I didn't really appreciate the feature that some go GAGA over. I didn't notice the difference in trigger pull, reach, sights and so on. I did like the grip of the Sig the best and the price of the Glock.

So, trying to understand the appeal of 1911's, what the difference between one 1911 vs another 1911? Is it the fit and finish or are the internals different?

What makes a bad 1911 bad and a good 1911 good? Why's one start around $500 and some go pass 2 grand?

Quack
12-22-2010, 11:00
it's all in the materials, labor, fit and finish.

which 2 1911's did you look at?

knedrgr
12-22-2010, 11:08
In a broader sense, mainly you have 3 different types; 1) factory production, 2) semi-custom built, and 3) custom built. This applies for both outside and internal parts. Price starts low at #1 and move up as you get to the ultimate of #3.

knedrgr
12-22-2010, 11:11
Look at it like this: 1) factory built cars from any manufacturer, 2) high-end exotic with custom interior/exterior, and 3) full blown custom hand-built.

lawdog734
12-22-2010, 11:11
Read the sticky at the top, it should answer a lot for you

Rimcrew
12-22-2010, 11:21
Why's one start around $500 and some go pass 2 grand?

For the same reason a Cavalier goes for $12K and a Corvette goes for $60K. They both perform the same basic function, however; one does it MUCH better.

brisk21
12-22-2010, 13:05
For the same reason a Cavalier goes for $12K and a Corvette goes for $60K. They both perform the same basic function, however; one does it MUCH better.


Your right, the cavalier is MUCH better driving in the snow.:tongueout:

Rimcrew
12-22-2010, 14:07
Your right, the cavalier is MUCH better driving in the snow.:tongueout:

Could be, but there ain't much snow in Phoenix so I wouldn't have any use for one... :tongueout: :tongueout:

KindaBigBullet
12-22-2010, 15:16
it's all in the materials, labor, fit and finish.

which 2 1911's did you look at?

Para Ordnance GI Expert 45acp
http://www.paraord.com/new/product.php

to

Baer 1911 S.R.P
http://www.lesbaer.com/Swift.html




Look at it like this: 1) factory built cars from any manufacturer, 2) high-end exotic with custom interior/exterior, and 3) full blown custom hand-built.


There's a huge difference in price. I understand the cost of different material and craftmanship. But to justify one to cost more than 4times more than the other...:dunno:

Maybe if one was hand-built. I know I'm missing something. Trying to figure it out before getting one.


For the same reason a Cavalier goes for $12K and a Corvette goes for $60K. They both perform the same basic function, however; one does it MUCH better.

This is more like "What's the difference between a Hi-Point and a Sig Sauer"

Not 2 1911's. Maybe a stock Corvette vs a Lingenfelter

knedrgr
12-22-2010, 15:34
There's a huge difference in price. I understand the cost of different material and craftmanship. But to justify one to cost more than 4times more than the other...:dunno:

Maybe if one was hand-built. I know I'm missing something. Trying to figure it out before getting one.

we'll then you're still not getting it, or having a hard time swallowing the high price. Bottom line is that you're the only one that can justify that price. And once you do, the wallet opens up.

As for custom hand built, yes, you can dictate exactly what you want on and inside your pistol. The builder will build to your exact need and your gun might be the only one in existence, therefore making it "rare" thus the high-price.

It's the same reason why people shell out $1M+ for a Bugatti Veyron. As for me, I'll be happy with a Nissan Skyline GTR that's been worked over by a local tuner with his SP800 package.

knedrgr
12-22-2010, 15:42
GTR tuner.
http://switzer-spi.blogspot.com/

friend's GTR.
http://www.dsgperformance.com/blog.asp?ID=404&catID=&thisPage=&search=

KindaBigBullet
12-22-2010, 15:58
Cool thanks all.

Next question if you guys don't mind. What's a decent brand that I should start with? I don't want to start with the bottom of the barrel pistol. I want to start with a good foundation and tinker with parts later down the road.

Hokie1911
12-22-2010, 16:01
Cool thanks all.

Next question if you guys don't mind. What's a decent brand that I should start with? I don't want to start with the bottom of the barrel pistol. I want to start with a good foundation and tinker with parts later down the road.

Springfield Armory.

knedrgr
12-22-2010, 16:07
we need to know what your intention/use for the gun is. And what your budget is.

Another thing to think about is how good of a smith are you? A project can go south really quick if you don't know what to do. Not saying that you're bad or will screw up your pistol. Just a warning on "tinkering" with a project gun.

Might be worth it to get exactly, or close to it, with a 1911 that will have most of your specs built/produced.

Rimcrew
12-22-2010, 16:15
Maybe a stock Corvette vs a Lingenfelter

BINGO! Perfect example. If you buy a stock Corvette and think it is the best thing in the world, then you will never see the value in a Lingenfelter, and you certainly would never be able to use it to anywhere near it's full potential.

Now to answer your most recent question: Find a lightly used 2009 Dan Wesson Valor. It will run you right at a grand, or slightly less, and you will never have to tinker with it. It will run like a stock C6.

Hokie1911
12-22-2010, 16:20
BINGO! Perfect example. If you buy a stock Corvette and think it is the best thing in the world, then you will never see the value in a Lingenfelter, and you certainly would never be able to use it to anywhere near it's full potential.

Now to answer your most recent question: Find a lightly used 2009 Dan Wesson Valor. It will run you right at a grand, or slightly less, and you will never have to tinker with it. It will run like a stock C6.

For a person completely new to 1911s (look at the questions that he is asking), finding a lightly used Valor or anything else is a crapshoot if he doesn't know what to look for.

Rimcrew
12-22-2010, 16:28
For a person completely new to 1911s (look at the questions that he is asking), finding a lightly used Valor or anything else is a crapshoot if he doesn't know what to look for.


Could be, but I assume most folks don't spend $1200 or more on a gun and then tear into it with no clue what they are doing. I would say most buy them, shoot them a time or two and store them in the safe until they sell to buy the next new desire.

I could be wrong, but that would be my guess.

I have purchased a boat-load of used 1911's sight-unseen and have yet to get one from a kitchen gunsmith. I know it's not proof positive that you can't get a bad one, but I think the odds are in your favor; especially on a one-year old gun...

Spats McGee
12-22-2010, 16:32
KBB, if you haven't done so, check out the reference stuff stickied in this forum. There's an excellent guide to 1911s that you might find helpful.

Quack
12-22-2010, 16:59
GTR tuner.
http://switzer-spi.blogspot.com/

friend's GTR.
http://www.dsgperformance.com/blog.asp?ID=404&catID=&thisPage=&search=

C'mon...you know JR's GT-R is slow :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAmLc75S39k
(the Viper was given the jump)


and a standing mile run in Florida last year, before building it up over the winter.
http://jalopnik.com/5385154/switzer-gt+r-hits-record-191-mph-in-standing-mile

Hokie1911
12-22-2010, 17:13
C'mon...you know JR's GT-R is slow :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAmLc75S39k
(the Viper was given the jump)


and a standing mile run in Florida last year, before building it up over the winter.
http://jalopnik.com/5385154/switzer-gt+r-hits-record-191-mph-in-standing-mile

That thing is ridiculous. It eats EVERYTHING except the CCR....for a fraction of the price.