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jayp
12-26-2010, 00:09
My Kimber CDP is a fantastic pistol-light, reliable, accurate. However, I would never buy another one, nor would I recommend anyone else buy one. You see, there is the Kimber "secret." The secret is that, if you do not field strip the pistol EXACTLY (and I mean exactly) the way that is describred, it is impossible to get the pistol apart, or back together. Even if you do follow the directions to the letter, it is extremely difficult. There are many smiths out there that will make you a fine 1911, that you can easilly field strip. Kimber evidently cannot, or will not do that.

ProCarryNAustin
12-26-2010, 02:07
Just curious, but what exactly is the difficult part of field stripping this model? I had a Pro Carry that required a paper clip, but it was not a complicated disassembly and I only did it to clean and oil the pistol. The disassembly for mine was very similar to any of the full length guide rod pistols I have had experience with.

kirgi08
12-26-2010, 03:01
tagged.

jayp
12-26-2010, 03:02
It's not that difficult. When you buy a new gun, you look at the manual, say"ok' and field strip it. if you do that with the Kimber, you're screwed. Because if you don't take it apart EXACTLY like they say, you have an extremely hard time getting it back together.

I admit I should have carefully read the manual, but i have field stripped literally hundreds of guns, so I thought i would have no problem. I of course looked at the manual when things got FUBAR, but by then it was too late. It took me hours to get it back together. I had to ask my wife for help.:crying:

I would rather have a 1911 that I could just field strip. Even if you know what you are doing, it takes longer to field strip a Kimber than some other 1911.

I admit that I am not Einstein , but you shouldn't have to be to field strip your pistol.

Huevos
12-26-2010, 03:19
Series II?

jayp
12-26-2010, 03:32
Series II?

yes (I tried to just reply yes, but the computer told me "message too short":tongueout:

bac1023
12-26-2010, 07:20
Are you referring to the bull barrel? :dunno:

I find it fairly easy to strip, to be honest.

Hokie1911
12-26-2010, 07:31
Had zero problems taking my Pro Carry 2 apart for cleaning. :dunno:

Rinspeed
12-26-2010, 07:41
Maybe this wil help.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKAJVd3y-xA

RLB
12-26-2010, 08:02
I have a compact that is very easy to field strip.
I prefer field stripping it to other 1911's.
Good luck

Jim S.
12-26-2010, 08:29
I would never buy another one, nor would I recommend anyone else buy one.

I wonder how you'll feel after a long enough time and many disassemblies?

I marvel at the "improvements" that are made to the 1911 format that really are not necessary and in my opinion begin to stray away from the original design.
I like the basic 1911 that can be taken apart without any tools or special items such as this piece that Kimber gives for this gun.
The more you modernize a 1911, the more difficulties you create.
I think it was a perfect design and still is as long as the individual parts are of good quality.
I'll stick with a basic Mil-Spec.
I may not put rounds in a 1 1/2" group but I don't really need to do that.

RonS
12-26-2010, 08:46
My Springfield Champion requires a clip that snaps around the guide rod to take it down. I wish now that I had followed my initial inclination and bought a Colt Commander for a couple of hundred more. Bushing and GI spring setup for me from now on, no more weird design experiments for me.

sns3guppy
12-26-2010, 08:58
I suspect the original poster is talking about the guiderod. The CDP is no different to take apart than any other 1911, save for the guiderod, and that's easily solved with a bent paperclip.

gconan
12-26-2010, 09:17
Hang in there! A couple of more times and it will become very easy. We all have a little trouble at first. then after a couple of times you can do it in your sleep.

Deployment Solu
12-26-2010, 09:24
Stop with the Kimber hate!! You are making me all warm & fuzzy!!!
I'll never own another one. I had six of them and had trouble with the one I wanted to carry. Shot the others very little, which is probably a good thing. Who knows what kind of trouble I would have had with them!!!

Kimber CS is NON-Existent. A waste of time in a handgun!

I will carry a Glock or HK, but NEVER a Kimber!!!!

CharlestonG26
12-26-2010, 09:28
Not my experience with Kimbers at all.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
12-26-2010, 09:29
My Springfield Champion requires a clip that snaps around the guide rod to take it down. I wish now that I had followed my initial inclination and bought a Colt Commander for a couple of hundred more. Bushing and GI spring setup for me from now on, no more weird design experiments for me.

See, I prefer bull barrel setups, personally..

matt c
12-26-2010, 09:42
Maybe this wil help.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKAJVd3y-xA

seems simple enough. :dunno:

ancient_serpent
12-26-2010, 09:53
My Kimbers have been spot on. Weird.
OP: Sorry to hear about your trouble, I hope you get the issue resolved.

Quack
12-26-2010, 10:01
Don't hold the grip safety down ;)

nolt
12-26-2010, 10:10
you bought the Kimber Custom Defense Puzzle!!

its designed differently than the standard 1911 for the user that enjoys the challenge of solving an enigmatic puzzle. there are 5 different puzzle designs. collect them all!

edit: seriously i dont have the slightest idea about anything kimber-specific that is different from normal 1911ism.

SouthpawShootr
12-26-2010, 10:21
I'm curious as to whether the paperclip is really required. I have a RIA compact that you're supposed to use the paperclip method to disassemble. I just do it similar to the way I take apart a BHP. You pull the slide back to the disassembly notch, hold it in place with one hand, pop out the slide release with the other, and move the whole shebang off the reciever. Mindful of course that the recoil spring is going to want to pop out after it is no longer supported by the dust cover. I've done this with several guns that have had FLGR with no problems during assembly or disassembly.

bac1023
12-26-2010, 10:30
See, I prefer bull barrel setups, personally..

I'm a bull barrel kind of guy myself. :)

bac1023
12-26-2010, 10:32
I'm curious as to whether the paperclip is really required. I have a RIA compact that you're supposed to use the paperclip method to disassemble. I just do it similar to the way I take apart a BHP. You pull the slide back to the disassembly notch, hold it in place with one hand, pop out the slide release with the other, and move the whole shebang off the reciever. Mindful of course that the recoil spring is going to want to pop out after it is no longer supported by the dust cover. I've done this with several guns that have had FLGR with no problems during assembly or disassembly.

I much prefer to have the spring captured before removing the slide. A clip will do that.

nolt
12-26-2010, 10:33
I'm curious as to whether the paperclip is really required. I have a RIA compact that you're supposed to use the paperclip method to disassemble. I just do it similar to the way I take apart a BHP. You pull the slide back to the disassembly notch, hold it in place with one hand, pop out the slide release with the other, and move the whole shebang off the reciever. Mindful of course that the recoil spring is going to want to pop out after it is no longer supported by the dust cover. I've done this with several guns that have had FLGR with no problems during assembly or disassembly.

i guess it depends on the gun.

i have a 5" gun with a bull barrel and FLGR in which the guide rod wont wiggle out of its place unless the spring is compressed down away from the muzzle of the gun.
that is to say that the extra diameter added by the presence of the spring simply wont allow the spring/rod assembly to be angled enough for the rod to clear the barrel lugs and be pulled back out of the gun. it barely makes it when the spring is compressed and youre wiggling out a naked rod.

edit: i suppose i should say 'exposed rod' as its not completely naked but the spring is certainly 'down around its ankles.'

editx2: have at it, porn thread ppl...

Officer's Match
12-26-2010, 10:36
Don't hold the grip safety down ;)

First though I had reading the threads title. Well, that and rust...

ProCarryNAustin
12-26-2010, 11:04
Not my experience with Kimbers at all.

Not my experience either.

MD357
12-26-2010, 11:07
Don't hold the grip safety down ;)

Yep. Dunno how many bent GS pins I've seen.

sns3guppy
12-26-2010, 11:12
I'm curious as to whether the paperclip is really required.

I don't know any other way to take it down. I have a Kimber CDP Pro, early model, and the paperclip method of securing the guide rod works very well.

DRAGON1970
12-26-2010, 12:05
jayp, Sounds to me as though you are not mechanically inclined and may need some training in the maintainance of the 1911 platform. You are blaming a proven design because of your lack of ability. :dunno:

Will-21
12-26-2010, 12:43
"bam!"

faawrenchbndr
12-26-2010, 12:53
Yep. Dunno how many bent GS pins I've seen.

I do believe you helped me out with one a few years back.:whistling:

Once you get the hang of it, the CDP II can be disassembled and assembled very easily.

Wolfgang
12-26-2010, 14:35
is the CDP II different than any other Kimber II?

Quack
12-26-2010, 14:38
nope...

bac1023
12-26-2010, 14:45
is the CDP II different than any other Kimber II?

No, other than it has the bull barrel. However, several Kimbers do.

Wolfgang
12-26-2010, 14:45
I have no problem with my Pro CDP II.

bac1023
12-26-2010, 14:51
I have no problem with my Pro CDP II.

Me neither.

Its my carry gun, in fact.

swinokur
12-26-2010, 15:24
I'm confused by the OP's complaint. He admits he didn't follow the directions and then complain when it doesn't go well? That's what directions are for if I'm not mistaken.

:crying:

I am a first time owner of a Kimber TLE II and never owned a 1911 before. Now while the take down is slightly different from the CDP, I read the manual several times prior to my first field strip. Took it down and went back together flawlessly.

Kinda like not following a recipe and then complaining when it doesn't taste good.

If you follow the directions exactly I bet you won't have any problems.If you do, maybe a 1911 is not for you.

Dandapani
12-26-2010, 15:26
Maybe this wil help.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKAJVd3y-xA

If that is "field" stripping, where do you keep the little wire thingy when not in use? :whistling:

jayp
12-26-2010, 15:53
Thank to everone for their replies- some have been helpful, some have been... well not helpful.

I know why Kimber does this, they don't want some dumbshat screwing up the pistol when they re assemble it, and expecting Kimber to fix it for free. Well I am not a dumbshat, and I prefer a pistol that is easy to fieldstrip. That is all.

nastytrigger
12-26-2010, 16:19
I guess I'm to use to easily disassembling guns. I grew up with a Beretta 92, that thing can be field stripped by the person your pointing it at :whistling:. When I bought my Springfield 1911, or any future 1911, I'm wanting a barrel bushing. Mine is a little tough to do it with hand strength, but at least I don't need a extra tool (especially with a FLGR). I was gifted a LaRue armadillo that can assist me, but it's only for beers :supergrin:

ghostwn
12-26-2010, 16:26
I'll stick with a Glock 17. :whistling:

jayp
12-26-2010, 16:30
I'll stick with a Glock 17. :whistling:

I agree

jayp
12-26-2010, 16:36
Why would Kimber deliberately make a pistol that is difficult to fieldstrip? People preferentially buy pistols that are, well, easy to field strip.

Nickpisp
12-26-2010, 16:37
Thank to everone for their replies- some have been helpful, some have been... well not helpful.

I know why Kimber does this, they don't want some dumbshat screwing up the pistol when they re assemble it, and expecting Kimber to fix it for free. Well I am not a dumbshat, and I prefer a pistol that is easy to fieldstrip. That is all.

So what part did you have trouble with?

nastytrigger
12-26-2010, 16:49
Trade the Kimber for something else. It's not Kimber's fault. You won't want to shoot it cause you'll have to clean it. You won't want to carry it cause you won't trust it. Get rid of it.

DRAGON1970
12-26-2010, 16:49
Why would Kimber deliberately make a pistol that is difficult to fieldstrip? People preferentially buy pistols that are, well, easy to field strip.

"Easy" is subjective.

jayp
12-26-2010, 16:55
So what part did you have trouble with?

I had trouble with all if it, because I did not carefully read the directions before attempting disassenbly. When things went FUBAR, I looked at the directions but then it was too late. I was a dumbshat. My point is, this shouldn't have happened. If it had been any other pistol than a Kimber, I could have easily corrected my error.

jayp
12-26-2010, 17:02
Trade the Kimber for something else. It's not Kimber's fault. You won't want to shoot it cause you'll have to clean it. You won't want to carry it cause you won't trust it. Get rid of it.

Good advice

jayp
12-26-2010, 17:18
I'm confused by the OP's complaint. He admits he didn't follow the directions and then complain when it doesn't go well? That's what directions are for if I'm not mistaken.

:crying:

I am a first time owner of a Kimber TLE II and never owned a 1911 before. Now while the take down is slightly different from the CDP, I read the manual several times prior to my first field strip. Took it down and went back together flawlessly.

Kinda like not following a recipe and then complaining when it doesn't taste good.

If you follow the directions exactly I bet you won't have any problems.If you do, maybe a 1911 is not for you.

I am exactly what you perceive me to be. I am a dumbshat. Your advice was not helpful. Perhaps I am not worthy of owning a Kimber

G36_Me
12-26-2010, 17:22
This is a hard conversation for me. I also have difficulty with the Kimber build. Additionally, I have trouble with their customer service. I do love the traditional old Colt without the Series 80 design. Although I have, in fact, mastered the Kimber takedown and assembly, I found it to be more than I liked. (sorry, I also found it to be a stupid design). I think my gun was the Pro-Carry. I gave the gun to my son last year.

OK, getting past the assembly/disassembly issues I have and the customer service issues I have...

The gun was/is a fine shooter. It really worked well and I enjoyed shooting it.

I also didn't like the Crimson Trace grips. They were my first and only CT grips, they foul easily (as I shoot my 1911's wet). If you carry and shoot the gun dry, maybe one would not have this problem.

On another note, my friend got infatuated at the same time. He bought the similar gun and he's an engineer by background (much smarter than me). He was very disappointed by the gun. He even wrote an extensive letter detailing the issues with the grip screws to Kimber; they never even responded.

Here's my summary. A good shooting gun for the casual shooter. A good carry gun. I never had any reliability issues. As much as I shoot, I was also concerned about the frame, I think it was aluminum. I would be willing to try other Kimbers if the customer service were not an issue.

jayp
12-26-2010, 17:36
This is a hard conversation for me. I also have difficulty with the Kimber build. Additionally, I have trouble with their customer service. I do love the traditional old Colt without the Series 80 design. Although I have, in fact, mastered the Kimber takedown and assembly, I found it to be more than I liked. (sorry, I also found it to be a stupid design). I think my gun was the Pro-Carry. I gave the gun to my son last year.

OK, getting past the assembly/disassembly issues I have and the customer service issues I have...

The gun was/is a fine shooter. It really worked well and I enjoyed shooting it.

I also didn't like the Crimson Trace grips. They were my first and only CT grips, they foul easily (as I shoot my 1911's wet). If you carry and shoot the gun dry, maybe one would not have this problem.

On another note, my friend got infatuated at the same time. He bought the similar gun and he's an engineer by background (much smarter than me). He was very disappointed by the gun. He even wrote an extensive letter detailing the issues with the grip screws to Kimber; they never even responded.

Here's my summary. A good shooting gun for the casual shooter. A good carry gun. I never had any reliability issues. As much as I shoot, I was also concerned about the frame, I think it was aluminum. I would be willing to try other Kimbers if the customer service were not an issue.
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Your reply was helpful. Thank you

handyman
12-26-2010, 17:56
On mine I have to make sure not to be touching the grip safety.

jayp
12-26-2010, 18:43
On mine I have to make sure not to be touching the grip safety.

This reply was also helpful

DRAGON1970
12-26-2010, 18:44
I am exactly what you perceive me to be. I am a dumbshat. Your advice was not helpful. Perhaps I am not worthy of owning a Kimber

I agree. Stick to Glocks, they are idiot proof.

jayp
12-26-2010, 18:47
I agree. Stick to Glocks, they are idiot proof.

:cool:

Nickpisp
12-26-2010, 18:52
I had trouble with all if it, because I did not carefully read the directions before attempting disassenbly. When things went FUBAR, I looked at the directions but then it was too late. I was a dumbshat. My point is, this shouldn't have happened. If it had been any other pistol than a Kimber, I could have easily corrected my error.

I'm still confused. Are you looking for help/advice or just venting about Kimber?

jayp
12-26-2010, 18:57
I'm still confused. Are you looking for help/advice or just venting about Kimber?

I am doing both.

thecableguy
12-26-2010, 19:05
Put it up for sale in the for sale section. :supergrin:

GVFlyer
12-26-2010, 19:06
I am exactly what you perceive me to be. I am a dumbshat. Your advice was not helpful. Perhaps I am not worthy of owning a Kimber

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'm not worthy either, I had a Kimber Pro Raptor II that could not be made to function reliably. There was no acceptable resolution from Kimber's mythological customer service, so I was left to sell the gun for a loss.

I don't forgive or forget.

jayp
12-26-2010, 19:46
:cool:Put it up for sale in the for sale section. :supergrin:

:cool:I will keep it because in all other aspects it is the perfect carry pistol. It's like the perfect wife- there is always some aspect that bugs you about something otherwise perfect.

I am going to show my wife this post:wow:

GVFlyer
12-26-2010, 20:01
:cool:

:cool:I will keep it because in all other aspects it is the perfect carry pistol. It's like the perfect wife- there is always some aspect that bugs you about something otherwise perfect.

I am going to show my wife this post:wow:

Death wish? Suicidal tendencies or merely masochistic?

jayp
12-26-2010, 20:12
Death wish? Suicidal tendencies or merely masochistic?

all of the above

Hokie1911
12-26-2010, 20:16
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'm not worthy either, I had a Kimber Pro Raptor II that could not be made to function reliably. There was no acceptable resolution from Kimber's mythological customer service, so I was left to sell the gun for a loss.

I don't forgive or forget.

Yeah GV, you definitely downgraded from the Kimber with those crappy 1911s you have now...

:tongueout:

AZ Husker
12-26-2010, 20:45
I'm guessing that the OP didn't read the part about not depressing the grip safety when disassembling a Series-II Kimber. That will certainly cause you some grief. Read your manuals first guys!

GVFlyer
12-26-2010, 20:50
Yeah GV, you definitely downgraded from the Kimber with those crappy 1911s you have now...

:tongueout:

:supergrin:_;)

bac1023
12-26-2010, 20:53
I agree. Stick to Glocks, they are idiot proof.

:shocked:

Ouch ;)

jayp
12-26-2010, 21:04
I'm guessing that the OP didn't read the part about not depressing the grip safety when disassembling a Series-II Kimber. That will certainly cause you some grief. Read your manuals first guys!

Thank you. I guess that was the point of my posting. Nobody knows it all.

bac1023
12-26-2010, 21:07
Thank you. I guess that was the point of my posting. Nobody knows it all.

I was actually trying to find out which part you were have with.

Postal Bob
12-26-2010, 21:10
Never had a problem disassembling my Kimber, and that was my first 1911. If you keep your hand off the grip safety and trigger, you will have no problem.
And for their CS, I've had only good experiences with them. Sent me new screws for my magwell which were stripped. And replaced my KimPro mags which split open in the back.

jayp
12-26-2010, 22:09
I was actually trying to find out which part you were have with.

I don't remember precicely what I did- I may have slightly retracted the slide and tried to pull the slide release out. At this point it does not matter what happened, because NOTHING else works. I would get the pistol 99% back together and couldn't finish the last 1%. The pistol no longer followed any rational engineering principles. It was literally a Rubik's cube.

We all know why Kimer does this. Their target customer is a rich guy that goes into a gun store and says "sell me your best gun." So the guy goes home with his Kimber, tries to field strip it and says "this is too hard." So he sends the pistol back to Kimber, they clean if for a reasonable charge, and everyone wins. Except me, because I'm a dumbshat (not trying to be a smartass, just expaining myself.)

The moral of this story- RTFM.

sincerly, Jay

Quack
12-26-2010, 22:12
I don't remember precicely what I did- I may have slightly retracted the slide and tried to pull the slide release out. At this point it does not matter what happened, because NOTHING else works. I would get the pistol 99% back together and couldn't finish the last 1%. The pistol no longer followed any rational engineering principles. It was literally a Rubik's cube.

We all know why Kimer does this. Their target customer is a rich guy that goes into a gun store and says "sell me your best gun." So the guy goes home with his Kimber, tries to field strip it and says "this is too hard." So he sends the pistol back to Kimber, they clean if for a reasonable charge, and everyone wins. Except me, because I'm a dumbshat (not trying to be a smartass, just expaining myself.)

The moral of this story- RTFM.

sincerly, Jay

it wouldn't be a Kimber :rofl:

Hokie1911
12-26-2010, 22:18
it wouldn't be a Kimber :rofl:

Yup.

I'm thinking the OP would be better served with a Glock.

sns3guppy
12-26-2010, 22:32
I know why Kimber does this, they don't want some dumbshat screwing up the pistol when they re assemble it, and expecting Kimber to fix it for free. Well I am not a dumbshat, and I prefer a pistol that is easy to fieldstrip. That is all.

"I am not a dumbshat," you say, then go on to say in a later post "I am a dumbshat." Whatever a dumbshat may be, you're confused.

Kimber doesn't use the assembly pin to idiot proof the pistol from customers. Kimber doesn't even make the part. It's not proprietary.

For those who must have a full length guiderod, the assembly used in the kimber is preferable to the two piece screw-in style, that tend to back out and cause malfunctions during a shooting session.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the guiderod in the CDP; it's a very functional pistol.

We all know why Kimer does this. Their target customer is a rich guy that goes into a gun store and says "sell me your best gun." So the guy goes home with his Kimber, tries to field strip it and says "this is too hard." So he sends the pistol back to Kimber, they clean if for a reasonable charge, and everyone wins. Except me, because I'm a dumbshat (not trying to be a smartass, just expaining myself.)

You're going to have to stick to either the "I am not a dumbshat" line, or the "I'm a dumbshat" philosophy. Pick one or the other, and stick to it.

If you're describing yourself when you speak of the rich ignorant guy, so be it. Not everyone who owns a Kimber meets that description. I'm quite happy with my CDP. I don't find it to be a jigsaw puzzle, not do I find it to be particularly challenging. Assembly or disassembly is not rocket science. Neither is reading the directions. Again, while Kimber does supply a "tool" for the takedown, a handy paperclip will do just fine. Not really a complicated act.

As for the rich guy, if he's asking for the best and settles for a Kimber, then he's either in a shop that specializes in low-end handguns, or is completely ignorant. There's nothing wrong with the CDP, but it's far, far from the best 1911 out there. That said, the fit, finish, and reliability of mine has been 100%.

TENWHEELER
12-26-2010, 23:00
I carry a Kimber Pro CDP II and I have never had any trouble at all. What's the big deal? Read the directions and follow them....If you don't want to do that then I will give you $500 for the CDP.

ROFL

jayp
12-26-2010, 23:26
I agree with everything you say except this:[QUOTE=TENWHEELER;16529475I As for the rich guy, if he's asking for the best and settles for a Kimber, then he's either in a shop that specializes in low-end handguns, or is completely ignorant. There's nothing wrong with the CDP, but it's far, far from the best 1911 out there. That said, the fit, finish, and reliability of mine has been 100% ROFL[/QUOTE]

I think if you took a poll of all gunshop employees about what the best carry gun is, the Kimber CDP would make the top 5

jayp
12-26-2010, 23:27
I carry a Kimber Pro CDP II and I have never had any trouble at all. What's the big deal? Read the directions and follow them....If you don't want to do that then I will give you $500 for the CDP.

ROFL

I agree, my friend, but you are missing the point. Read the entire thread please.

Quack
12-26-2010, 23:40
I agree with everything you say except this:

I think if you took a poll of all gunshop employees about what the best carry gun is, the Kimber CDP would make the top 5

Not around here the shop that used to be a large Kimber dealer stopped carrying them.
Actually the only shops around here that carries Kimber is Gander Mountain.

kirgi08
12-27-2010, 00:36
Gen I or II?.'08. :dunno:

jayp
12-27-2010, 01:29
Gen I or II?.'08. :dunno:

gen ii

jayp
12-27-2010, 02:48
tagged.

So, what's your opinion on the thread? Am I a dumbshat?

jayp
12-27-2010, 03:00
[QUOTE=sns3guppy;16529385]"I am not a dumbshat," you say, then go on to say in a later post "I am a dumbshat." Whatever a dumbshat may be, you're confused.


I said "dumbshat" because if you say "the S word" in present tense, the swear filter will block it.

jayp
12-27-2010, 03:13
I agree, my friend, but you are missing the point. Read the entire thread please.

Have you stopped "rolling on the floor lauphing?"

jayp
12-27-2010, 03:16
Ok, I'm done. If anyone has anything else to contribute, please do. My sincere thanks to those who have educated me with honest contributions.

Sincerely, Jay.

kirgi08
12-27-2010, 03:17
gen ii

Gen II Kimbers suck,you asked.If you take the time and cruise Glocks 1911 forum,the info is there.


So, what's your opinion on the thread? Am I a dumbshat?


I "tag" threads for the simple reason I don't have the time ta read them,I however do peruse the dialect at my discretion.'08.

jayp
12-27-2010, 03:31
Not around here the shop that used to be a large Kimber dealer stopped carrying them.
Actually the only shops around here that carries Kimber is Gander Mountain.

Well, if a rich guy wanted to buy a gun, would he go to Gander Mountain? They sell expensive guns, after all

jayp
12-27-2010, 03:36
.


I "tag" threads for the simple reason I don't have the time ta read them,I however do peruse the dialect at my discretion.'08.

Thank you for replying. I intended no hostility toward you.

faawrenchbndr
12-27-2010, 06:28
Thank to everone for their replies- some have been helpful, some have been... well not helpful.

I know why Kimber does this, they don't want some dumbshat screwing up the pistol when they re assemble it, and expecting Kimber to fix it for free. Well I am not a dumbshat, and I prefer a pistol that is easy to fieldstrip. That is all.

A 1911 IS easy to field strip.

What problems are you having?
Unless I missed it, you have NEVER stated what issues you are having.
What's so hard to assemble? Slide stop? Take down tool for the recoil spring/guide rod?

What's the deal?

Cerebrus
12-27-2010, 06:32
Sounds to me he is having issues getting the slide-stop in place... fishing it through the barrel link the first few times can be a pita.. I would recommend using something of smaller diameter to get things to line up right before inserting the slide stop..

jayp
12-27-2010, 08:16
A 1911 IS easy to field strip.

What problems are you having?
Unless I missed it, you have NEVER stated what issues you are having.
What's so hard to assemble? Slide stop? Take down tool for the recoil spring/guide rod?

What's the deal?

please read the entire thread if you are curious- or even just page 1

Quack
12-27-2010, 08:25
Well, if a rich guy wanted to buy a gun, would he go to Gander Mountain? They sell expensive guns, after all

They sell overpriced guns.

faawrenchbndr
12-27-2010, 08:27
please read the entire thread if you are curious- or even just page 1

I did,.........however a Freudian slip made me type "assemble" vs disassemble.

If you want help you need to provide some information, what are you are having problems with.
My Daughter field stripped a Kimber Pro in 90 seconds. First time ever seeing one, She used the Owner's Manual.

So,........if she can figure it out on here own.:whistling:

Nickpisp
12-27-2010, 11:16
please read the entire thread if you are curious- or even just page 1

I've read this thread several times over the last two days. You still have told anyone what exact problem you're having. Some of us are happy to help if you'd describe the problem better.

Quack
12-27-2010, 11:23
the problem is he was looking for the Glock take-down lever on his Kimber and couldn't find it :rofl:

sns3guppy
12-27-2010, 14:07
Jayp, I couldn't help but notice that you used a quote from me, attributed it to Tenwheeler, and then mixed the quotes. Perhaps before making any further attempts to take down your handgun, or make queries about disassembling your handgun, you should concentrate on learning to post.

I think if you took a poll of all gunshop employees about what the best carry gun is, the Kimber CDP would make the top 5

You might try shopping somewhere else; if that's the high-end offering, then perhaps you're shopping in some low-end shops.

Then again, if your gold standard for determining what you should carry is the counsel given you by "gunshop employees," then perhaps you really are the rich guy that doesn't know any better than what he's told. The word "gullible" springs to mind.

Some sound counsel that will serve you well in the future is that if you don't know how it works, don't touch it until you do. If you don't know how it comes apart, learn before you attempt to take it apart; especially before you expect to put it together again.

A poor carpenter blames his tools. Presently, you're blaming the 1911. It's not the problem.

I said "dumbshat" because if you say "the S word" in present tense, the swear filter will block it.

Yes, I know what you said, but you missed the point, didn't you?

You said that you're a "dumbshat," then stated that you're "not a dumbshat." You seem confused as to whether you are, or are not. It's probably immaterial, but you do seem a bit confused.

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 14:57
Jayp, I couldn't help but notice that you used a quote from me, attributed it to Tenwheeler, and then mixed the quotes. Perhaps before making any further attempts to take down your handgun, or make queries about disassembling your handgun, you should concentrate on learning to post.



You might try shopping somewhere else; if that's the high-end offering, then perhaps you're shopping in some low-end shops.

Then again, if your gold standard for determining what you should carry is the counsel given you by "gunshop employees," then perhaps you really are the rich guy that doesn't know any better than what he's told. The word "gullible" springs to mind.

Some sound counsel that will serve you well in the future is that if you don't know how it works, don't touch it until you do. If you don't know how it comes apart, learn before you attempt to take it apart; especially before you expect to put it together again.

A poor carpenter blames his tools. Presently, you're blaming the 1911. It's not the problem.



Yes, I know what you said, but you missed the point, didn't you?

You said that you're a "dumbshat," then stated that you're "not a dumbshat." You seem confused as to whether you are, or are not. It's probably immaterial, but you do seem a bit confused.

:goodpost:

swinokur
12-27-2010, 15:30
I've read this thread several times over the last two days. You still have told anyone what exact problem you're having. Some of us are happy to help if you'd describe the problem better.

The problem as I see it is he OP didn't read the manual, screwed up his field strip, and now wants to blame Kimber and has come here to seek help in getting it back together.

It was also not the best way to seek help by the poor choice of the title of his OP, when in fact it wasn't Kimber at all. There are thousands of happy Kimber owners who have no issues with the gun. I'm one of them.

Maybe a wheel gun?

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 15:54
What's a Kimber CPD anyway? Special edition for the Chicago Police Dept SWAT unit or something? :dunno:

Quack
12-27-2010, 16:04
Cleveland PD

swinokur
12-27-2010, 16:05
I assume you're joking but if not it's supposed to be CDP for Custom Defense Package

:yawn:

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 16:09
I assume you're joking but if not it's supposed to be CDP for Custom Defense Package

:yawn:

Seriously? That's what it stands for? I guess you learn something new every day.
















This wasn't it. :tongueout:

swinokur
12-27-2010, 16:12
yup. go look on the Kimber web site

www.kimberamerica.com (http://www.kimberamerica.com)

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 16:14
yup. go look on the Kimber web site

www.kimberamerica.com (http://www.kimberamerica.com)

You're missing my sarcasm. I knew what it meant. :rofl:

I used to be a Kimber guy until Quack showed me the error of my ways. :supergrin:

SouthpawShootr
12-27-2010, 16:21
You're missing my sarcasm. I knew what it meant. :rofl:

I used to be a Kimber guy until Quack showed me the error of my ways. :supergrin:

Oh, you mean until somebody infected you with a taste for expensive guns.:supergrin:

That's cool. I recently took possession of a Baer TRS and I'm thrilled (although in the realm of 1911s this really isn't all that expensive). It did give me a hankering for something a little finer.

IndianaMatt
12-27-2010, 16:27
Why does Kimber use this seemingly pointlessly more complicated variation on a simple and effective design?

Isn't this just a more complicated way, involving more parts, to make the gun go BOOM?

swinokur
12-27-2010, 16:29
You're missing my sarcasm. I knew what it meant. :rofl:

I used to be a Kimber guy until Quack showed me the error of my ways. :supergrin:

Guess if I had looked at the bottom of your post I would have known that.

:whistling:

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 16:33
Oh, you mean until somebody infected you with a taste for expensive guns.:supergrin:

That's cool. I recently took possession of a Baer TRS and I'm thrilled (although in the realm of 1911s this really isn't all that expensive). It did give me a hankering for something a little finer.

Yeah as my avatar says...I blame Quack. The first time I shot his Kobra Carry, I was smitten. After the 2nd time I shot it, I sent George a deposit to build one. :supergrin:

I will be paying it off shortly and I've already talked to George to price out a similar spec'd Kobra. Also considering picking up a Springfield Milspec and sending it to Mr Harrison.

Also selling my HK once I get my KC for either a DW Guardian or a EMP (for JH or SACS). :whistling:

Hokie1911
12-27-2010, 16:34
Guess if I had looked at the bottom of your post I would have known that.

:whistling:

It's all good, brother. We tend to goof on each other a lot here.

TKR Reptiles
12-27-2010, 21:14
Jayp, I couldn't help but notice that you used a quote from me, attributed it to Tenwheeler, and then mixed the quotes. Perhaps before making any further attempts to take down your handgun, or make queries about disassembling your handgun, you should concentrate on learning to post.



You might try shopping somewhere else; if that's the high-end offering, then perhaps you're shopping in some low-end shops.

Then again, if your gold standard for determining what you should carry is the counsel given you by "gunshop employees," then perhaps you really are the rich guy that doesn't know any better than what he's told. The word "gullible" springs to mind.

Some sound counsel that will serve you well in the future is that if you don't know how it works, don't touch it until you do. If you don't know how it comes apart, learn before you attempt to take it apart; especially before you expect to put it together again.

A poor carpenter blames his tools. Presently, you're blaming the 1911. It's not the problem.



Yes, I know what you said, but you missed the point, didn't you?

You said that you're a "dumbshat," then stated that you're "not a dumbshat." You seem confused as to whether you are, or are not. It's probably immaterial, but you do seem a bit confused.

LMAO!!!! I was going to tell him the same thing!!! I can see you have a lot of trouble with the quote function as well... Maybe you should sell you CDP, and stick to a Glock or XD... They come apart and go back together really easy... :animlol:

jayp
12-27-2010, 22:41
A 1911 IS easy to field strip.

What problems are you having?
Unless I missed it, you have NEVER stated what issues you are having.
What's so hard to assemble? Slide stop? Take down tool for the recoil spring/guide rod?

What's the deal?



I don't remember precicely what I did- I may have slightly retracted the slide and tried to pull the slide release out. At this point it does not matter what happened, because NOTHING else works. I would get the pistol 99% back together and couldn't finish the last 1%. The pistol no longer followed any rational engineering principles. It was literally a Rubik's cube.

I guess if I had to narrow it down to one issue, I would say replacing the slide release was very difficult

jayp
12-27-2010, 22:43
Why does Kimber use this seemingly pointlessly more complicated variation on a simple and effective design?

Isn't this just a more complicated way, involving more parts, to make the gun go BOOM?

This analysis is spot-on!

Nickpisp
12-27-2010, 23:25
This analysis is spot-on!

So was every other post that agreed with you.

jayp
12-28-2010, 00:28
So was every other post that agreed with you.

Well, frankly, every other response was written by a dumbshat. I'm not interested in what a dumbshat thinks.

jayp
12-28-2010, 01:27
Jayp, I couldn't help but notice that you used a quote from me, attributed it to Tenwheeler, and then mixed the quotes. Perhaps before making any further attempts to take down your handgun, or make queries about disassembling your handgun, you should concentrate on learning to post.



You might try shopping somewhere else; if that's the high-end offering, then perhaps you're shopping in some low-end shops.

Then again, if your gold standard for determining what you should carry is the counsel given you by "gunshop employees," then perhaps you really are the rich guy that doesn't know any better than what he's told. The word "gullible" springs to mind.

Some sound counsel that will serve you well in the future is that if you don't know how it works, don't touch it until you do. If you don't know how it comes apart, learn before you attempt to take it apart; especially before you expect to put it together again.

A poor carpenter blames his tools. Presently, you're blaming the 1911. It's not the problem.



Yes, I know what you said, but you missed the point, didn't you?

You said that you're a "dumbshat," then stated that you're "not a dumbshat." You seem confused as to whether you are, or are not. It's probably immaterial, but you do seem a bit confused.



OK, your question is well thought out and deserves an answer

I posted originally because I thought it was funny that a guy that knows a little about guns could not field strip his Kimber. I was also seeking advice about how to make it better next time. Some advised me to avoid pressing the grip safety when stripping the pistol; this was helpful. Some advised me to buy a Glock; this was also helpful. I am aware that there are lots of accurate, reliable pistols that are easy to field strip. I have a USP 45, so I am covered there. Some advised me that their 5 year old daughter can field strip a Kimber. This is not helpful. The poster is insulting me, and I have a right to insult them back.

Bac posted several times. I tried to be respectful to Bac because he knows a lot about 1911's. He could help me.

I will try to answer any other questions from you in a respectful manner.

BayouGlocker
12-28-2010, 02:07
Well, frankly, every other response was written by a dumbshat. I'm not interested in what a dumbshat thinks.

That's pretty rough bro. I think you should take a deep breath and realize that there's no one on the board who is out to get you. The guys pick at each other quiet regularly. It's your responses that brought out the worse of what they have said. If you want to keep calling names and such, that's your right. But it's really not getting anywhere.

I think that if you could post pictures, the guys could see what's going on and offer actual advice.

jayp
12-28-2010, 02:31
That's pretty rough bro. I think you should take a deep breath and realize that there's no one on the board who is out to get you. The guys pick at each other quiet regularly. It's your responses that brought out the worse of what they have said. If you want to keep calling names and such, that's your right. But it's really not getting anywhere.

I think that if you could post pictures, the guys could see what's going on and offer actual advice.

No need to post pictures; problem solved.

I appreciate any honest advice including yours.

SouthpawShootr
12-28-2010, 05:07
So what did you do that finally got you over the hump?

jayp
12-28-2010, 05:39
So what did you do that finally got you over the hump?

I got my wife to put it back together:cool:

Hokie1911
12-28-2010, 07:30
I got my wife to put it back together:cool:

He had her stop for directions. :rofl:

faawrenchbndr
12-28-2010, 07:47
.....I guess if I had to narrow it down to one issue, I would say replacing the slide release was very difficult


Sent you a pm.......:supergrin:

jayp
12-28-2010, 09:34
Sent you a pm.......:supergrin:

thank you

TENWHEELER
12-28-2010, 10:09
I agree with everything you say except this:

I think if you took a poll of all gunshop employees about what the best carry gun is, the Kimber CDP would make the top 5


I don't believe I said any of this???

I have read the entire thread, which keeps me from having to watch Days of Our Lives to get my "soap fix." :rofl:

I also carry a Kimber Pro CDP and am notorius for not reading instruction manuals and have never had any issues disassembling or assembling my Kimber. My Wilson Combat was much harder to disassemble than my Kimber has proven to be.

Here's hoping this was constructive feedback for you....:cheers:

faawrenchbndr
12-28-2010, 10:58
thank you


Anytime,.......hope I was able to help.

cole
12-28-2010, 22:56
Thank to everone for their replies- some have been helpful, some have been... well not helpful.

I know why Kimber does this, they don't want some dumbshat screwing up the pistol when they re assemble it, and expecting Kimber to fix it for free. Well I am not a dumbshat, and I prefer a pistol that is easy to fieldstrip. That is all.

??? "... easy to fieldstrip"? 1) Pull back slide and lock, 2) Insert paperclip, 3) Release and remove slide stop, 4) Remove slide. What am I missing? Pretty easy, but the paperclip part is annoying IMO. So, just remove the FLGR:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8a8asazI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/0p1OtStF7xs/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS020%20%28Large%29.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8huiuSKI/AAAAAAAAD-0/8sOVE8P-RCA/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS034%20%28Large%29.jpg

sns3guppy
12-30-2010, 17:54
The pistol no longer followed any rational engineering principles.

100 years into solid use of the design, and you've decided that it doesn't follow rational engineering principles? It's a shame no one else figured this out in say, the last 100 years of service, combat, competition, self-defense, and many, many other uses. Thank heavens you came along just in time. I'd hate to think another 100 years could possibly pass without the world being informed that this antiquated, inadequate, poorly engineered, irrational handgun is what it is. We're lucky to have you.

Never mind that the handgun is it's own tool kit, has survived combat and many years of hard service, and can be taken down without tools (save for the paperclip, for yours). That's some irrational engineering, right there. Something so perfectly designed it can be used to dismantle and rebuild itself.

Well, frankly, every other response was written by a dumbshat. I'm not interested in what a dumbshat thinks.

First, you assured us you are a "dumbshat." Next, you assured us that you're not a "dumbshat." Now, you assure us that everyone here is a "dumbshat." Other than the complete inability to take apart the world's most straightforward and simple handgun, what exactly is your malfunction?

Did you set out to insult everyone, including yourself, or is that something at which you're still working?

swinokur
12-30-2010, 18:09
How about this? No paperclip required. So simple even a dumbshat can do it. I think

a_tack
12-30-2010, 19:45
umm dont touch the grip safety while disassembling? My kimber strips just as easy as my springfield GI did.

jayp
12-31-2010, 14:57
How about this? No paperclip required. So simple even a dumbshat can do it. I think

:cool:

Streetking
01-01-2011, 23:14
I agree with the opinion on the Kimber. Over complicated a very simple design. When I began to field strip mine I couldn't believe what was necessary. are you supposed to carry around some paper clips to clean your weapon? in addition to that the manual says you're supposed to change to recoil spring every 800 rounds. I've owned a lot of 1911s and never heard of the either.

Nickpisp
01-01-2011, 23:28
If you really think Kimber's are that complicated, you should stick to Glocks, or maybe a slingshot.

swinokur
01-02-2011, 08:32
I agree with the opinion on the Kimber. Over complicated a very simple design. When I began to field strip mine I couldn't believe what was necessary. are you supposed to carry around some paper clips to clean your weapon? in addition to that the manual says you're supposed to change to recoil spring every 800 rounds. I've owned a lot of 1911s and never heard of the either.

You don't have to use just a paperclip. I don't walk around with a bushing wrench in my pocket either. Other than a catstophic failure, why would you need to take a 1911 down where you wouldn't have access to either? I have taken my full size Kimber down and reassembled without a bushing wrench.

I agree if someone thinks these are complicated a Glock is for you.

mrsurfboard
01-02-2011, 13:00
Whatever you do, don't depress the grip safety when taking off or replacing the slide.

cole
01-02-2011, 20:34
Whatever you do, don't depress the grip safety when taking off or replacing the slide.

True... on my former Series. My current Kimber is a Series I... love it.

I bypassed the FP block with a Series 70 FP. Simple "fix" for me until I found my Series I.