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jmoln
12-28-2010, 23:32
I think my next 1911 will be a lightweight model, that is something with an alloy frame. It could be either commander or compact, thinking hard about the Kimber Super Carry line (Pro or Ultra) or a Colt Defender or New Agent. Any pro/con thoughts? My focus is on light weight for carry and I'm aware of the short barrel feeding issues, just want your opinions on brand preferences.

Background - I've owned a couple of full size Springers, a DW CBOB, and my current one and only is an EB KC.

HAIL CAESAR
12-28-2010, 23:51
For the real little fella's it's hard to beat a Colt Defender.

Rimcrew
12-29-2010, 00:19
That's easy: DW CCO!

AZ Husker
12-29-2010, 00:34
Why not the new KC lightweight? Stick with the best.

smith10
12-29-2010, 06:00
S&w 1911pd

Sporwick
12-29-2010, 07:08
S&w 1911pd

I have one of these and its a great to shoot and carry. The DW CCO looks awesome though!

Hokie1911
12-29-2010, 08:04
Cost effective - DW CCO
Not so cost effective - EB LW KC

TKR Reptiles
12-29-2010, 08:06
Kimber Super Carry Pro all the way...

G27RR
12-29-2010, 09:33
If you want an officer's model, I like the STI Shadow and Escort.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/STIShadow.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/STIEscortProEcclesia.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/STIEscortProTexana.jpg

Drestin Black
12-29-2010, 09:35
kjgkjhgkjhg

Hokie1911
12-29-2010, 10:07
Man, I really like that Escort in 9mm. Almost like an EMP done right. FS checkering and no ambi. :supergrin:

G27RR
12-29-2010, 10:29
Man, I really like that Escort in 9mm. Almost like an EMP done right. FS checkering and no ambi. :supergrin:

Yep, and I actually chose this over an EMP for some of those reasons. The other reason was I figured I would stay with .45 if I couldn't get an EMP for under $1K. I can't get my head around a 9mm 1911 for some reason, but I did get one of my Ranger IIs in 9mm for cheaper practice.

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 10:43
DW CCO
DW Guardian for the 9mm crowd. And it's the same ergo as your EB KC.
EB KC lightweight for an identical of your regular KC.
WC Ultralight Carry

Here's my CCO:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2010-DW-CCO_black-VZ-grips.jpg

dr225
12-29-2010, 10:49
If you want to get a Gov't sizes try the LWT Government Model XSE

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/medic15al/020.jpg

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/medic15al/014.jpg

samuse
12-29-2010, 13:10
I think the Colt Wiley Clapp is the best commander sized lightweight on the market right now.

MarkCO
12-29-2010, 14:00
You really ought to look at the Sig C3. My review is in the Resource stickie at the top.

youngAR
12-29-2010, 17:09
I think the Colt Wiley Clapp is the best commander sized lightweight on the market right now.

+1
But the Super Carry line is mighty nice. At least they don't use a fps in em.

deguelo
12-29-2010, 19:54
i love my sw 1911pd gunsite. but that cco...... damn, baby. regards-- deguelo

jmoln
12-29-2010, 19:57
Guys,

You've given me a lot to think about. I've got to get out to some shops and shows and search out samples of all of these. I was hoping to keep this under a grand hence a lightweight EB is out of the question. As much as I like my KC I am not in a position to afford another high end 1911. SA, Colt, Kimber, S&W, STI are all possibilities.

Sporwick
12-29-2010, 19:59
i love my sw 1911pd gunsite. but that cco...... damn, baby. regards-- deguelo

couldn't have said it better myself!

HAIL CAESAR
12-29-2010, 20:10
http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo349/hailcaesar_photos/CCOCTLEFT.jpg

:wavey:

Quack
12-29-2010, 20:10
Guys,

You've given me a lot to think about. I've got to get out to some shops and shows and search out samples of all of these. I was hoping to keep this under a grand hence a lightweight EB is out of the question. As much as I like my KC I am not in a position to afford another high end 1911. SA, Colt, Kimber, S&W, STI are all possibilities.

DW will have a .45 Guardian out in 2011. should be about $1500

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

or you could get a Glock G19 and get a G22 to cut it in half.

HAIL CAESAR
12-29-2010, 20:23
DW will have a .45 Guardian out in 2011. should be about $1500

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

or you could get a Glock G19 and get a G22 to cut it in half.

Yeah I think the 45 Guardians will be around 1,430, plus shipping, and transfer.

For a cheap alternative I would suggest a M&P 45 Compact with thumb safety. I bought one that was shot twice and dropped once.:whistling: ( Seriously..I knew the round count at less than 200.)

I payed $375 for it with 4 mags. I bought it off a fellow LEO that bought it at LEO price.
I put some Warren straight 8 night sights for $80 bucks.
A Apex trigger kit for $84 (I think).
And rounded the butt.(Free)
Lopped off the left ambi safety. (Free)
Installed a new recoil spring and guide. ( $8 or so because I am neurotic.)
Polished the Apex to get a surprisingly crisp 5.25lbs trigger pull. (Free)

That all come up to around $540ish. And about as close to a CCO LW 45 ACP you can get.

bac1023
12-29-2010, 20:31
I've been carrying a Kimber Pro CDP II for a while now with no complaints. :)

jmoln
12-29-2010, 21:10
Ceasar - are you serious? Compare the M&P to a 1911. If I want something cheap and plastic I'll pick up a Glock 38 or 39 in .45 GAP which I can get out the door for under $500. I really want to see if a small, light 1911 will fit.

HAIL CAESAR
12-29-2010, 21:25
Ceasar - are you serious? Compare the M&P to a 1911. If I want something cheap and plastic I'll pick up a Glock 38 or 39 in .45 GAP which I can get out the door for under $500. I really want to see if a small, light 1911 will fit.

Well I was serious..:embarassed:

Quack brought up the Glock, although rereading it I think it was a joke.

But I have been pounding alot of rounds out of a 45C M&P the last year. With a polished Apex trigger you would be surprised at the trigger. Reprofiling the M&P thumb safety to give it a very positive snap and trimmed of the right side ambi pad.. And add a good set of NS and you will have one formidable gun. And it is certainly accurate enough. It is light years ahead of a Glock.

I have shoot it all year and thousand of rounds in training/practice.....not even one issue.

jmoln
12-29-2010, 21:34
ok, perhaps yours is the superior intellect,:whistling: I'll go take a look, I've never handled the compact version.

Quack
12-29-2010, 21:36
G19 + 1/2 a G22 = 19 11 :rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
12-29-2010, 21:43
ok, perhaps yours is the superior intellect,:whistling: I'll go take a look, I've never handled the compact version.

Ah....ok. Sorry I brought it up now. I thought I was trying to help with a really cheap option. I like 1911 as much as others, and more than most. But there are other guns out there.

Sorry again, I was just trying to help.

G19 + 1/2 a G22 = 19 11 :rofl:

Ahhh.... I get it now.
I am REALLY tired and that one went so far over my head I couldn't have caught a glimpse of it with a telescope.:embarassed:
Sorry you had to get out the Crayola's and draw my dumb arse a picture.
:rofl:

:wavey:

Hokie1911
12-29-2010, 22:10
C'mon Alan...everyone knows crayons are only good for kids and dudes that like to pimp out their Austrian "perfection". Duh.

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 22:28
But I have been pounding alot of rounds out of a 45C M&P the last year. With a polished Apex trigger you would be surprised at the trigger. Reprofiling the M&P thumb safety to give it a very positive snap and trimmed of the right side ambi pad.. And add a good set of NS and you will have one formidable gun. And it is certainly accurate enough. It is light years ahead of a Glock.

I have shoot it all year and thousand of rounds in training/practice.....not even one issue.

Been wanting a M&P45 for a little while now. Think of getting one with a thumb safety too. And if I don't like that, I can remove it. I really like my M&P9. I think it's a nice poly alternative to the 1911.

Quack
12-29-2010, 22:29
Been wanting a M&P45 for a little while now. Think of getting one with a thumb safety too. And if I don't like that, I can remove it. I really like my M&P9. I think it's a nice poly alternative to the 1911.

says the guy that didn't initially like the M&P

Quack
12-29-2010, 22:30
BTW, Stockers has one in the used case.

Hokie1911
12-29-2010, 22:32
Been wanting a M&P45 for a little while now. Think of getting one with a thumb safety too. And if I don't like that, I can remove it. I really like my M&P9. I think it's a nice poly alternative to the 1911.

Next time we shoot, bring your M&P9 so I can see what all the fuss is about. :thumbsup:

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 22:32
i love my sw 1911pd gunsite. but that cco...... damn, baby. regards-- deguelo

couldn't have said it better myself!

Thanks guys. Really like that shooter.

Quack
12-29-2010, 22:35
Next time we shoot, bring your M&P9 so I can see what all the fuss is about. :thumbsup:

i'd bring mine, but it's long gone now :rofl:

I'll bring the Q Shop Glock though

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 22:36
says the guy that didn't initially like the M&P

Didn't care for all of the lines that are on the M&P's. I actually like the Block look w/ simple lines. But once I shot the M&P, its ergo out weights its ugly lines. And now I've came to liking those lines.

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 22:37
Next time we shoot, bring your M&P9 so I can see what all the fuss is about. :thumbsup:

Sure thing man.

HAIL CAESAR
12-29-2010, 22:47
C'mon Alan...everyone knows crayons are only good for kids and dudes that like to pimp out their Austrian "perfection". Duh.

I've seen "Dude's" use the Crayons to fill in markings on AR-15 lowers too.:dunno:
Or maybe it was their toenail polish.:whistling:

Been wanting a M&P45 for a little while now. Think of getting one with a thumb safety too. And if I don't like that, I can remove it. I really like my M&P9. I think it's a nice poly alternative to the 1911.

Ahhh.... another blasphemer on this forum. I don't feel so alone now.
Make sure you try one with a polished APEX trigger, it makes a night and day difference.

Quack
12-29-2010, 22:50
I've seen "Dude's" use the Crayons to fill in markings on AR-15 lowers too.:dunno:
Or maybe it was their toenail polish.:whistling:



Ahhh.... another blasphemer on this forum. I don't feel so alone now.
Make sure you try one with a polished APEX trigger, it makes a night and day difference.

he's already got the APex parts. he tried it in my M&P and liked it.

knedrgr
12-29-2010, 23:01
Ahhh.... another blasphemer on this forum. I don't feel so alone now.
Make sure you try one with a polished APEX trigger, it makes a night and day difference.

:rofl: it's the rebel side in me... :whistling:

Heck sometime I even rotate the M&P9 into my carry. :wow:

Yeah, I just let Quack try out new stuff and then if I like it, I buy. :rofl:

jmoln
12-30-2010, 08:45
ok guys since we are so far off topic now I have to respond to the ergo comment on the M&P. At one time I really fell in love with the ergonomics of the Walther P99 and the HK P2000 but never got the hang of their triggers. In contrast the Glock trigger was much better (I know, this is a relative comment) for me. So while you like the M&P ergo so much is the trigger really any different from any of the above or is it due to all the custom smithing work you've done on them? And, to stay true to the forum how can any ergo's compare to the 1911 grip and trigger? How can they even be in the same discussion? Or should I just go back to my revolvers? :whistling:

knedrgr
12-30-2010, 09:49
ok guys since we are so far off topic now I have to respond to the ergo comment on the M&P. At one time I really fell in love with the ergonomics of the Walther P99 and the HK P2000 but never got the hang of their triggers. In contrast the Glock trigger was much better (I know, this is a relative comment) for me. So while you like the M&P ergo so much is the trigger really any different from any of the above or is it due to all the custom smithing work you've done on them? And, to stay true to the forum how can any ergo's compare to the 1911 grip and trigger? How can they even be in the same discussion? Or should I just go back to my revolvers? :whistling:

Stock M&P trigger pull is not that great. The Apex sear makes a big difference. in terms of reducing the reset point, for better follow up pulls. I haven't tried the new Apex reset part, which should help to increase the reset action, so the shooter can feel where the reset point is at. This was something I really liked about the Glock's stock trigger; how pronounce that reset point was. When compare to the Glock's trigger ergo, the M&P is way better. The tip of my finger doesn't hurt after a range session.

And as far as the remaining ergo goes, the M&P just gets me on target faster than the Glock. I'm sure if Glock fix the hump in the grip, it should help. But then, that might be "perfection" to others.

TSAX
01-03-2011, 04:26
S&w 1911pd

I have one of these and its a great to shoot and carry. The DW CCO looks awesome though!

I was surprised at how much I loved this scandium alloy frame. The 1911 PD 5inch with rail is one of my favorite 1911s under $1000.