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BuckyP
12-31-2010, 10:02
All this EMP talk lately has me considering an EMP. Seems the 9mm is much more popular around here than the .40. Any reasons I should look towards the 9mm over the .40? I already have carry guns / ammo in 9mm, .40 and .45ACP, so compatibility isn't an issue.

Only things I can think of:

1. Resale value (it would appear the 9mms are easier to flip due to their popularity)
2. Capacity (giving up one round)
3. Other???

Anyone here have a .40 EMP? If so, how has reliability been?

TIA.

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 10:07
I believe md357 said he had one with no issues. I have been looking at the same one. I would lean toward the 40 because 1- it seems to be cheaper in price and 2- I carry 40 on duty so I can grab ammo from work.

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 10:17
I believe md357 said he had one with no issues. I have been looking at the same one. I would lean toward the 40 because 1- it seems to be cheaper in price and 2- I carry 40 on duty so I can grab ammo from work.

So donuts aren't the only thing you pilfer from the office? :rofl:

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 10:19
So donuts aren't the only thing you pilfer from the office? :rofl:

No coffee is fair game as well

knedrgr
12-31-2010, 10:53
I believe md357 said he had one with no issues. I have been looking at the same one. I would lean toward the 40 because 1- it seems to be cheaper in price and 2- I carry 40 on duty so I can grab ammo from work.

great! I'm paying for your ammo use when you're off duty?! :faint: :tongueout:

Quack
12-31-2010, 10:54
no, because it's considered "training" :animlol:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 11:05
great! I'm paying for your ammo use when you're off duty?! :faint: :tongueout:

Our tax dollars hard at work.

"To Serve and Protect....and Shoot on your Dime"

Vanman2004b
12-31-2010, 11:13
My guess is that most LEOs do not train enough. Looks like a good use of tax dollars for a change. JMHO

polizei1
12-31-2010, 11:17
I chose the 9mm over the .40 because I simply don't like the .40 cal round. Also, you lose 1 round and doing the logman mod, you would lose another (still only 1 round down vs. the 9 with the mod mags).

However, I will say that the 9mm seems to be more popular, and the .40 is generally cheaper. I was able to find a .40 at a local gunshow for $999 and I think GB still has some. I paid $1050 from Bud's for the 9mm, so it's a little more expensive, depending on what you can find.

And lastly, I have a XD9 so I already have a lot of 9mm ammo, and it's cheaper. Win-Win.

BuckyP
12-31-2010, 11:20
I chose the 9mm over the .40 because I simply don't like the .40 cal round. Also, you lose 1 round and doing the logman mod, you would lose another (still only 1 round down vs. the 9 with the mod mags).

However, I will say that the 9mm seems to be more popular, and the .40 is generally cheaper. I was able to find a .40 at a local gunshow for $999 and I think GB still has some. I paid $1050 from Bud's for the 9mm, so it's a little more expensive, depending on what you can find.

And lastly, I have a XD9 so I already have a lot of 9mm ammo, and it's cheaper. Win-Win.

logman mod? Me must Google. Either case it seems you are still net down 1 round.

I have just as much 9mm as .40. Is the EMP +p+ rated? That's what most of the premium ammo I have on hand.

My local shop actually has the 9mm in stock last time I checked. I think it was $1100 or so.

Quack
12-31-2010, 11:22
logman mod? Me must Google. Either case it seems you are still net down 1 round.

I have just as much 9mm as .40. Is the EMP +p+ rated? That's what most of the premium ammo I have on hand.

My local shop actually has the 9mm in stock last time I checked. I think it was $1100 or so.

log man mod = flush cut mag
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=289542

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009303112_xZwxG-L.jpg

the EMP isn't rated for +P ammo, bt if you call Springfield, they wil say it's OK for occasional use. going to run some +P+ through the EMP on sunday.

polizei1
12-31-2010, 12:00
Also, the .40 has a steel frame while the 9mm uses aluminum alloy. If you're dead set on one of the other, you might want to take that into consideration. I ran some 124gr GD's through the EMP the other day but they weren't +p. I'll be using +p for carry but obviously won't be shooting those too much.

Bud's is still out of EMP's, I took the last one. :tongueout: If you can find one in stock I would pick it up...$1100 isn't bad. BUT, do you want the 9mm or the .40?

BuckyP
12-31-2010, 12:48
Also, the .40 has a steel frame while the 9mm uses aluminum alloy.


I did not know that. Thanks!! Looks like a .40 is going to be 7 ounces heavier.


Bud's is still out of EMP's, I took the last one. :tongueout: If you can find one in stock I would pick it up...$1100 isn't bad. BUT, do you want the 9mm or the .40?


Still undecided, as now I can roll the aluminum vs steel through my head. :rollingeyes: What was Bud's price?

BuckyP
12-31-2010, 12:52
log man mod = flush cut mag
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=289542


http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009303112_xZwxG-L.jpg


He shortens the mag, but no loss in capacity? Pretty nice. Thanks for the link and pics.


the EMP isn't rated for +P ammo, bt if you call Springfield, they wil say it's OK for occasional use. going to run some +P+ through the EMP on Sunday.

Are you using the 127 SXTs? Would like to hear feedback on how they run in the EMP.

Thanks. :wavey:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 12:55
I believe you lose a round with the Logman mod.

Quack
12-31-2010, 13:06
He shortens the mag, but no loss in capacity? Pretty nice. Thanks for the link and pics.



Are you using the 127 SXTs? Would like to hear feedback on how they run in the EMP.

Thanks. :wavey:


you lose 1 round.

i haven't run STX's yet, but i have run GD's, Hornady, and some old Cor-Bon through it w/o any problems. i'll run the Winchester SXT 127gr +P+ through it on sunday.

polizei1
12-31-2010, 13:16
Bud's is $1052 for the .40 and $1075 for the 9mm.

And the only thing I've ran through mine is 124gr Gold Dot's. I'll be picking up some +p for my carry ammo. I only have a box through it, but so far it looks like the EMP likes the 124gr's over the 115gr's.

glock2740
12-31-2010, 13:32
If I ever get an EMP, it'll be in .40.

rsxr22
12-31-2010, 14:44
I very much prefer the EMP in 9mm. I dont like .40 much at all, but dont think i would mind a 5" .40. Also, follow up shots were harder to keep accurate because of the felt recoil and size of the gun.

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 14:59
I am a big fan of 40. About three months ago I had a pit bull that was all muscle charge me. I fired 4 rounds, first 2 missed, third went thru the rear leg, and the last hit dead center in the chest while the dog was in the air jumping at me. The last round hit the dog with enough force to take the fight out of the dog. It gave me a lot of faith in those rounds.

Goldendog Redux
12-31-2010, 15:09
"Why not .40?"

Cause it is a pimp round designed for wussy FBI agents that couldn't handle a ten:whistling:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 15:38
"Why not .40?"

Cause it is a pimp round designed for wussy FBI agents that couldn't handle a ten:whistling:

Meaning you should keep your extra ammo in a platinum and ruby encrusted chalice?

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 15:40
I am a big fan of 40. About three months ago I had a pit bull that was all muscle charge me. I fired 4 rounds, first 2 missed, third went thru the rear leg, and the last hit dead center in the chest while the dog was in the air jumping at me. The last round hit the dog with enough force to take the fight out of the dog. It gave me a lot of faith in those rounds.

Dead center of the chest and it didn't die???

If you had your NN and put a round center chest it probably would have exploded like in Jaws.

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 17:26
I asked if I could carry the no name and my boss said nothing over a 40, I have no idea why.

Quack
12-31-2010, 17:31
well a 10mm isn't really over a .40 :whistling:

glock2740
12-31-2010, 17:49
I asked if I could carry the no name and my boss said nothing over a 40, I have no idea why.
Because he's jealous lawdog. :cool:

Quack
12-31-2010, 17:50
no, he would be jealous if it was Hard Chromed :rofl:

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 17:59
well a 10mm isn't really over a .40 :whistling:

I've been looking at those

lawdog734
12-31-2010, 18:05
Because he's jealous lawdog. :cool:

Actually you are not far off. Everytime we have range the range officers want me to bring the nn:cool:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 18:19
Actually you are not far off. Everytime we have range the range officers want me to bring the nn:cool:

Speaking of which...bring it Sunday. :supergrin:

Quack
12-31-2010, 18:21
looks like hokies going to bring a bunch of ammo to put through everyone else's guns :animlol:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 18:26
looks like hokies going to bring a bunch of ammo to put through everyone else's guns :animlol:

Why are you worried? Won't be shooting yours. I will have 200 rounds of 9mm with me to run through the HK.

Quack
12-31-2010, 18:27
did i say you were shooting mine? nope :tongueout:

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 18:29
did i say you were shooting mine? nope :tongueout:

Yeah, you made that clear a few times. :thumbsup:

Quack
12-31-2010, 18:30
just keeping to your word :rofl:

Quack
01-02-2011, 13:26
you lose 1 round.

i haven't run STX's yet, but i have run GD's, Hornady, and some old Cor-Bon through it w/o any problems. i'll run the Winchester SXT 127gr +P+ through it on sunday.

Ran the SXT's through it today and it's a no go. Primer's seem like they are harder than the other ammo i've used and didn't like feeding them.
Actually let Lawdog shoot the SXT out of it first, just in case the gun blew up :rofl:

I'm still using the stock 28# mainspring and the standard Ti firing pin.
I've heard that Springfield will swap out the Ti firing pin and extra power spring for a standard steel firing pin for light strike issues.

Quack
01-02-2011, 13:27
Speaking of which...bring it Sunday. :supergrin:

Speaking of which....where were you?

knedrgr
01-02-2011, 16:50
Speaking of which....where were you?

his wife took his balls and went sopping...:rofl:

Hokie1911
01-02-2011, 17:32
Something came up. What does it matter? Wasn't shooting your guns and no one would have wanted to shoot my overpriced plastic anyway. :dunno:

lawdog734
01-03-2011, 08:53
Something came up. What does it matter? Wasn't shooting your guns and no one would have wanted to shoot my overpriced plastic anyway. :dunno:

But my no name was lonely. Since you were not there it just sat in the bag.

brzusa.1911
01-03-2011, 20:52
I had the same dilema when choosing mine. I have shot but never had a .40 caliber, did lots of research and found excellent info on .40 ballistics. Also found that good 9mm has nothing to be ashamed of. Since I was going to compromise the caliber (from .45acp) on size I thought the extra weight of the .40 would not give me much over carrying a .45acp commander, so I went with the 9mm. I am very glad I did. My gun has 450 flawless rounds - 50 of which are 124 +P. I would really like to get a second one for backup.

tnhawk
01-04-2011, 10:37
As I have an XD40, K40, and G27, if I get an EMP, it would probably be a 40. Only 9 I've shot is a Beretta M9.

Quack
01-04-2011, 21:27
the shop that i buy quite a few guns from has the .40 EMP for $949.

http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/flyer/flyer.pdf

http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/products2.cfm/ID/50271/name/springfield-armory-1911-a1-emp-40sw-3%60-barrel-pi9240lp

thatguybryan
01-05-2011, 10:24
I wasn't aware the 9mm was aluminum vs the .40 being steel. Makes sense now, I went to a gunshow here Sunday and picked up the .40 first and I thought damn I would never want to CC that. The 9mm is much more suitable for CC (if that's what you're looking for), IMO.

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 10:37
I wasn't aware the 9mm was aluminum vs the .40 being steel. Makes sense now, I went to a gunshow here Sunday and picked up the .40 first and I thought damn I would never want to CC that. The 9mm is much more suitable for CC (if that's what you're looking for), IMO.

That weight would be negligible with a good belt/holster. There are PLENTY of guys that carry 5" steel 1911s that are damn near 40oz unloaded. If a steel EMP is heavy to you...you may want to stick with polymer to carry.

IDPA_Shooter
01-05-2011, 22:32
Don't own an EMP but have shot the 9mm and handled the 40. The 40 is a real lump of iron and is much heavier than the 9mm. Please handle both before making any decision.

Also the gun store clerk could not lock the new 40 EMP open (Slide Lock) to save his life! When new these have a serious set of recoil springs to compress. I could get it locked back with some effort, but you should consider how fast certain functions like clearing a jamb or misfire would be in a high stress situation. Up side is I would expect the weight reduces felt recoil over an alloy or plastic framed pistol of the same size.

Springs on 3-3.5" 1911's in 45 are much lighter and have never given me any problem.

CanIhaveGasCash
01-09-2011, 23:03
I have a .40 and it shoots great, however it is a little heftier than I would like, but it's a lot lighter than my full size guns. It all comes down to if you mind the weight or not.