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2TheRange
12-31-2010, 09:11
Hello 1911 enthusiasts! I've been mostly a lurker and have just lately decided to get a 1911. I have read everything in this forum and the 1911 form and have come down to just these few questions before making my decision.


First Question
SA Range Officer
Dear rsxr22, your 12/27/2010 post (after others raving reviews and recommendations) leaves you as not impressed with the RO.
Are you not impressed from a it's nothing special over the say the SA Loaded or similarly priced 1911's or are you meaning it not impressive when actually compared to the TRP and other high end 1911's? Does anyone doubt SA's claim to have the TRP quality internals?


Second Question
Smith & Wesson SW1911
If I order a Smith & Wesson SW1911 Model# 108282 Stainless today, which one am I really going to get? SW's website shows a NON billboard SW1911 slide and a single side safety. But all of the suppliers show the picture WITH the billboard SW1911slide AND specify the ambidextrous safety.


Final Question
Checkering
Does it really cost $250 to get the front strap checkered? Is there not another option besides skateboard tape and a wrap around grip? Would serrations be any cheaper? Thoughts?


Thanks to bac1023 and all of you for taking me from knowing zip about 1911's to feeling like I'm real close to deciding which one to buy.


2TR

Quack
12-31-2010, 09:25
Hello 1911 enthusiasts! I've been mostly a lurker and have just lately decided to get a 1911. I have read everything in this forum and the 1911 form and have come down to just these few questions before making my decision.


First Question
SA Range Officer
Dear rsxr22, your 12/27/2010 post (after others raving reviews and recommendations) leaves you as not impressed with the RO.
Are you not impressed from a it's nothing special over the say the SA Loaded or similarly priced 1911's or are you meaning it not impressive when actually compared to the TRP and other high end 1911's? Does anyone doubt SA's claim to have the TRP quality internals?


Second Question
Smith & Wesson SW1911
If I order a Smith & Wesson SW1911 Model# 108282 Stainless today, which one am I really going to get? SW's website shows a NON billboard SW1911 slide and a single side safety. But all of the suppliers show the picture WITH the billboard SW1911slide AND specify the ambidextrous safety.


Final Question
Checkering
Does it really cost $250 to get the front strap checkered? Is there not another option besides skateboard tape and a wrap around grip? Would serrations be any cheaper? Thoughts?


Thanks to bac1023 and all of you for taking me from knowing zip about 1911's to feeling like I'm real close to deciding which one to buy.


2TR

the RO doesn't say anything about the internals, it says it's built to TRP/TM quality. the internals on the TRP/TM/RO/Loaded's are all the same.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/1911RO/BannerLandingPage.jpg

$250 is the going rate for HAND checkering, if you have seen how much filing is involved, you'd understand. Machine checkering is about $150

Hokie1911
12-31-2010, 09:31
Plus the cost to refinish...

Nickpisp
12-31-2010, 12:31
rsxr22's reviews are the only bad one I've seen on the RO. I'm happy with mine although I like my TRP better. If money isn't an issue I'd go ahead and get the TRP.

Jason D
12-31-2010, 17:20
I really like the looks of the RO.
I would not however buy one.
For the simple fact of the stupid bump on the grip saftey.

I hate that and avoid any gun that has them.

MajorD
01-01-2011, 08:21
shoot before you consider ANY mods. I myself have NOT found front strap checkering really needed and in fact prefer a gun WITHOUT it. I can grip the gun with a decent set of grips on it more than adequately without checkering. And many people say well what about if the gun is muddy bloody or wet? BTDT no problem.

Bill Lumberg
01-01-2011, 08:49
I'd rather have a TRP, but I shoot just as well as my partners do with their base colt, TRP, and 2500.00 Nighthawk guns, and I'm shooting a stock loaded with no mods except VZ grips. If you are trying to decide regarding frontstrap checkering, shoot one with and one withot before ordering.

samuse
01-01-2011, 08:56
I would go with the R.O. out of those three.

The R.O. looks nice and would be a good gun to have customized if you felt like it.

I'm also a pretty big fan of the base model Colts and Springfields. They're usually pretty good guns, don't cost a whole lot and can be modded any way you want.

A properly tuned Springfield Mil-Spec will do anything any 1911 will do, in the right hands.

bac1023
01-01-2011, 09:06
I'm impressed with the RO. As advertised, it feels like the TRP without the extras and much better than the Loaded.

I'd get one, but it seems silly since I already have a TRP. There are too many other 1911s I want.

mserr
01-01-2011, 12:36
I have an RO, it's my first and only 1911 thus far, but not my first pistol by any means. Everything about the gun has impressed me, it's simple looks, the build quality, fit, reliability. IMO a great gun especially for the price.

bac1023
01-01-2011, 12:43
Thanks to bac1023 and all of you for taking me from knowing zip about 1911's to feeling like I'm real close to deciding which one to buy.


2TR

No problem. I hope we help you make a good decision. :wavey:

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 15:40
It's nothing special compared to some other companies offerings. I was not impressed with the trigger, finish, and fit. The gun was tight, but so was my Kimber SIS when i got it and when it finally sold it was rattling like a GI 1911. The DE1911 and STI Spartan IMO offer a much better product for the price point. If I was looking to buy in that range, I would get one of those. I personally would buy the Spartan again but mainly just because STI as a company has a much stronger foundation than MR.
Dont get me wrong, I love Springfields. They are probably my favorite production guns out there, but I just dont like the way they did the RO. They named the gun after a IDPA official, I dont personally know one person that shoots IDPA that doesnt use 8 round basepad mags. Im not saying there not out there, but i personally have never seen it. I havent personally shot a RO, but I dont anticipate them shooting any different then a Loaded. The finish is weak for holster wear resistance because it is Parkerizing. STI's Spartan has it to, but that is the reason i bought that over the Trojan. I refinished the gun to see if I'd like it and within the next month I am having a local smith checker it for $100. Then I'll re-spray it again.

I am not saying not to buy one if you want. Im sure quality is good which is standard when buying a Springer. I just personally think that the Spartan and DE1911 are more "out of the box" ready guns.

Hello 1911 enthusiasts! I've been mostly a lurker and have just lately decided to get a 1911. I have read everything in this forum and the 1911 form and have come down to just these few questions before making my decision.


First Question
SA Range Officer
Dear rsxr22, your 12/27/2010 post (after others raving reviews and recommendations) leaves you as not impressed with the RO.
Are you not impressed from a it's nothing special over the say the SA Loaded or similarly priced 1911's or are you meaning it not impressive when actually compared to the TRP and other high end 1911's? Does anyone doubt SA's claim to have the TRP quality internals?


Second Question
Smith & Wesson SW1911
If I order a Smith & Wesson SW1911 Model# 108282 Stainless today, which one am I really going to get? SW's website shows a NON billboard SW1911 slide and a single side safety. But all of the suppliers show the picture WITH the billboard SW1911slide AND specify the ambidextrous safety.


Final Question
Checkering
Does it really cost $250 to get the front strap checkered? Is there not another option besides skateboard tape and a wrap around grip? Would serrations be any cheaper? Thoughts?


Thanks to bac1023 and all of you for taking me from knowing zip about 1911's to feeling like I'm real close to deciding which one to buy.


2TR

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 15:41
The issue with the gun firing slightly out of battery has been proved to be a null and void point considering all 1911's will do this to a certain extent, Quack schooled me on that

bac1023
01-01-2011, 15:45
It's nothing special compared to some other companies offerings.

True, but, in my opinion, it now puts Springfield on a level playing field with the Kimber Custom II and Smith SW1911 in that price range. The Loaded was always a step below, as far as I was concerned.

I think the RO is MUCH nicer than the Loaded.

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 16:03
True, but, in my opinion, it now puts Springfield on a level playing field with the Kimber Custom II and Smith SW1911 in that price range. The Loaded was always a step below, as far as I was concerned.

I think the RO is MUCH nicer than the Loaded.

i guess you are right. I think the few Loaded's Ive had experience got some extra TLC. Their triggers were good like the TRP's

bac1023
01-01-2011, 16:23
i guess you are right. I think the few Loaded's Ive had experience got some extra TLC. Their triggers were good like the TRP's

Every Loaded I handled was disappointing and I handled at least a dozen different models over the years.

Quack
01-01-2011, 16:25
Mil-specs are disappointing compared to the R1 as well.

bac1023
01-01-2011, 16:33
Mil-specs are disappointing compared to the R1 as well.

I don't own a MS, but I love the R1. :)

glock2740
01-01-2011, 16:45
the RO doesn't say anything about the internals, it says it's built to TRP/TM quality. the internals on the TRP/TM/RO/Loaded's are all the same.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/1911RO/BannerLandingPage.jpg

$250 is the going rate for HAND checkering, if you have seen how much filing is involved, you'd understand. Machine checkering is about $150
I sure wish it came checkered, even if machined, which doesn't bother me a bit. I really don't know why most 1911's don't come with a checkered frontstrap. :dunno:

Plus the cost to refinish...
Exactly.

glock2740
01-01-2011, 16:49
Mil-specs are disappointing compared to the R1 as well.
Do you like the R1 over a Mil-Spec, especially as a base gun? And if yes, that says alot about the R1 coming from a SA lover like you. I also really like the way your R1 has come along. :thumbsup:

polizei1
01-01-2011, 17:00
I sure wish it came checkered, even if machined, which doesn't bother me a bit. I really don't know why most 1911's don't come with a checkered frontstrap. :dunno:

A little off-topic, but that was my only gripe about the EMP. I can see on some (GI, milspec), but on a $1k EMP, I would think they would add it. :dunno:

Quack
01-01-2011, 17:05
Do you like the R1 over a Mil-Spec, especially as a base gun? And if yes, that says alot about the R1 coming from a SA lover like you. I also really like the way your R1 has come along. :thumbsup:

Yep, I'm saying the R1 is a nicer out of the box gun. I was looking for an acceptable mil-spec for a home project, and couldn't find one.

Quack
01-01-2011, 17:07
A little off-topic, but that was my only gripe about the EMP. I can see on some (GI, milspec), but on a $1k EMP, I would think they would add it. :dunno:

They could, but then the price would jump up another $200. It seems like the sweet spot for 1911's seems like its around the $1000 mark.

glock2740
01-01-2011, 17:23
An EMP with frontstrap checkering would be sweet. :) It would be nice to see SA offer it as an option for an extra $200-$300. Would be well worth it IMO.

polizei1
01-01-2011, 17:27
^ Yea, but without the hassle of having to send it in! :)

glock2740
01-01-2011, 17:34
Exactly. The shipping and refinishing would make the extra $200-$300 well worth it, and make for such a nice looking and feeling gun.

Hokie1911
01-01-2011, 17:40
What's the turnaround time if you were to send an EMP in to SACS for checkering/refinishing?

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 18:09
What's the turnaround time if you were to send an EMP in to SACS for checkering/refinishing?

When I spoke to them on Weds they said 6-8 weeks. Wonder how sweet a Roger's treatment with some custom Golfball grips would look on the EMP?

Hey Chuck! Wanna try it out?:supergrin:

Quack
01-01-2011, 18:10
Drake also does golfball inspired treatments. there's a guy that i know that has an EMP getting worked over by him right now.

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 18:14
Don,
I need links with names!! LOL I have no idea who Drake is.

glock2740
01-01-2011, 18:17
When I spoke to them on Weds they said 6-8 weeks. Wonder how sweet a Roger's treatment with some custom Golfball grips would look on the EMP?

Hey Chuck! Wanna try it out?:supergrin:
Would be VERY sweet!

Quack
01-01-2011, 18:19
Drake Oldham in Cuyahoga Falls. I've seen his work in person and it's nice. It'll also save the cost of shipping. I got the info from another person that he is setup to work on EMP's now and actually carries one now (so i've been told.).

http://www.drakesgunworks.com/pricing.html

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 18:22
Drake Oldham in Cuyahoga Falls. I've seen his work in person and it's nice. It'll also save the cost of shipping. I got the info from another person that he is setup to work on EMP's now and actually carries one now (so i've been told.).

http://www.drakesgunworks.com/pricing.html

Seems like ok pricing depending on the quality of work. I could get the FS checkered by a smith here for $100, but I think the Golfball's would be sharp. I guess I should check in with Simonich first to see if the custom grips would be possible. I've had the gun 2 days and already taking the price back up to retail LOL

glock2740
01-01-2011, 20:18
While I love SACS's work, you can't beat a Chuck Roger's golfball ball job. Period.

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 21:15
While I love SACS's work, you can't beat a Chuck Roger's golfball ball job. Period.

I agree with this, so the consensus is to give him a call and beg for him to take it on? All I would need him to do is texture it, I'll refinish the gun myself.
Anyone know of anything he likes so i could bribe him with it? LOL

Big_Grumpy
01-01-2011, 21:49
Mil-specs are disappointing compared to the R1 as well.

IMO, I disagree. I pulled an R1 and a stainless Mil-Spec out of the display case at the same time, and I was way more impressed with the Mil-Spec. It seemed much more... I don't know... solid. The stamping and machining on the outside seemed much cleaner. Handling those two, I was very close to getting the Mil-Spec. Then I found out about the Range Officer, and knowing what I saw on the Mil-Spec, I went ahead and ordered one.

It's a beauty alright. I do like the stainless look, but I know how durable parkerizing can be, too. For all the features you get over the Mil-Spec for the money, I wasn't overly concerned.

I never looked back.

BTW, a pair of these grips will solve your checkering problem if you're on a budget.

http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1734/11053511/23619274/394191109.jpg

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 21:52
IMO, I disagree. I pulled an R1 and a stainless Mil-Spec out of the display case at the same time, and I was way more impressed with the Mil-Spec. It seemed much more... I don't know... solid. The stamping and machining on the outside seemed much cleaner. Handling those two, I was very close to getting the Mil-Spec. Then I found out about the Range Officer, and knowing what I saw on the Mil-Spec, I went ahead and ordered one.

It's a beauty alright. I do like the stainless look, but I know how durable parkerizing can be, too. For all the features you get over the Mil-Spec for the money, I wasn't overly concerned.

I never looked back.

BTW, a pair of these grips will solve your checkering problem if you're on a budget.

http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1734/11053511/23619274/394191109.jpg
HUH?:dunno:
Park is good for rust resistance and thats about it. I had a STI Spartan and wore that park'd finish off in like 3 months.

Trust me Quack and Budget, dont go in the same sentence.

Quack
01-01-2011, 21:59
take them both down and you'll see that the barrel is fit much better on the R1 than the mil-spec. the 15+ mil-specs i looked at over ~8months were all loose and have heavy/gritty triggers.

Big_Grumpy
01-01-2011, 21:59
HUH?:dunno:
Park is good for rust resistance and thats about it. I had a STI Spartan and wore that park'd finish off in like 3 months.

Trust me Quack and Budget, dont go in the same sentence.

I have a parked 870 and haven't had any issued with that? (Other than mag tube wear). You just oil it up once in a while and it's pretty darn resistant to scratches and scuffs. And like you said, the rust resistance is pretty good. I like it.

Nickpisp
01-01-2011, 22:03
the 15+ mil-specs i looked at over ~8months were all loose and have heavy/gritty triggers.

I would think the factory trigger would be the last thing you would care about. :rofl:

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 22:03
I have a parked 870 and haven't had any issued with that? (Other than mag tube wear). You just oil it up once in a while and it's pretty darn resistant to scratches and scuffs. And like you said, the rust resistance is pretty good. I like it.

It does suck in oil pretty good because it is porous. I just feel that there are many superior applications other than parkerizing.

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 22:04
I would think the factory trigger would be the last thing you would care about. :rofl:

Nothing like an out of the box, good trigger!

Hokie1911
01-01-2011, 22:04
take them both down and you'll see that the barrel is fit much better on the R1 than the mil-spec. the 15+ mil-specs i looked at over ~8months were all loose and have heavy/gritty triggers.

All the more reason for a trip to SACS for some lovin'.

Nickpisp
01-01-2011, 22:05
Nothing like an out of the box, good trigger!

For the rest of us but he's gonna replace it anyway!:supergrin:

Quack
01-01-2011, 22:06
I would think the factory trigger would be the last thing you would care about. :rofl:

the stock trigger lasts long enough for a comparison.

10 pull average with a hint of creep.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004582354_7aCow-M.jpg

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 22:08
For the rest of us but he's gonna replace it anyway!:supergrin:

I replace all of mine as well. Given the gun has under a 5# pull, the only thing's i adjust are the pre-travel/over-travel. Engagement stays the same

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 22:09
oh, i do swap in 18# EB MS' though

Quack
01-01-2011, 22:09
For the rest of us but he's gonna replace it anyway!:supergrin:

nah, it take a jig and ceramic stones out and do work.

Hokie shot my Trophy Match that i worked on. too bad he wasn't used to a 2# trigger :wow:

Big_Grumpy
01-01-2011, 22:10
take them both down and you'll see that the barrel is fit much better on the R1 than the mil-spec. the 15+ mil-specs i looked at over ~8months were all loose and have heavy/gritty triggers.

I believe I saw your post and pictures of your R1 broken down. It looks like there's a lot of machining marks inside compared to my Springfield. If it's holding better tolerances where it counts though, you can't argue with that.

Quack
01-01-2011, 22:22
cosmetics, i care about fit, machine marks can be cleaned up if it bothers people.

the top is from a Loaded which has over 5000rds and is similar to knedrgr's mil-spec.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1049008200_fGNyA-L.jpg
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1049013169_RR9hR-L.jpg
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1049013683_srsxK-L.jpg

compared to the R1
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004568898_4JeR4-L.jpg
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004567023_Fdwgt-L.jpg
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004566505_EytqJ-L.jpg

Quack
01-01-2011, 22:22
The roughest part of the R1 was here:
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004566768_RppVw-L.jpg

Nickpisp
01-01-2011, 22:30
I replace all of mine as well. Given the gun has under a 5# pull, the only thing's i adjust are the pre-travel/over-travel. Engagement stays the same

It was a joke!! See --> :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Big_Grumpy
01-01-2011, 22:33
Thanks for the pics! You can definitely see a difference in machine work. I mean granted, the "rough" surfaces are inconsequential, but it just kind of bugged me. I could snap some pics of my slide and frame if you guys want to see them.

It's just a matter of preference I guess. (And budget :supergrin:)

2TheRange
01-02-2011, 09:19
I want to thank everyone again. The replies have been great and very helpful. I still don't know yet which one I will buy but the 1911 fever is strong and I'll figure it out soon. I'm a little hung up on looks wanting a stainless finish like the SW1911, but to get the adjustable rear sights that gets me to $1000 plus tax which kinda opens up the running again.

Budget is an issue, so knowing the RO or the Spartan are quality shooters at great prices makes me ponder my initial investment against the ongoing $ output for ammo, accessories, reloading and possible mods.

All three will be better guns than I am as a shooter but I keep going back in forth in my mind on the cost against the couple of extras and looks you get with the SW1911.

When I do decide and get it, I'll post. Until then I'll be glued to all the great conversations you guys have here. THE best gun forum.

bac1023
01-02-2011, 10:08
When I do decide and get it, I'll post. Until then I'll be glued to all the great conversations you guys have here. THE best gun forum.


:thumbsup:

Don't be shy, be part of those conversations. :wavey:

quantico
01-02-2011, 13:03
I really like the looks of the RO.
I would not however buy one.
For the simple fact of the stupid bump on the grip saftey.

I hate that and avoid any gun that has them.

That part can be easily swapped in a few minutes with many choices available from brownells... if that is all that is keeping you from one.

bac1023
01-02-2011, 14:02
That part can be easily swapped in a few minutes with many choices available from brownells... if that is all that is keeping you from one.

Wow, quantico, is that really you?

Welcome back, my friend. :wavey:

I vaguely remember PMing you about Ed Brown 1911s way back in 2004. Good to see you.

Rinspeed
01-02-2011, 16:39
Wow, quantico, is that really you?



Ya, I was quite surprised as well. :wavey: