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Hound_dogs_01
01-01-2011, 18:27
Ok Guys I want my front straps checkerd. Who does a good job at this and who has done it their selves? I want to do it myself but I'm not 100% sure I can. I have been debating buying the jig and files from Brownells But still un sure.

Thanks Guys,

Alex

Quack
01-01-2011, 18:36
I'm going to do my own, but need to build me a workbench first.
SACS does great machine checkering, and you'll still need a refinish too.

youngAR
01-01-2011, 18:52
EGW and Springfield Custom Shop both do good checkering. There are ton of shops that do good front strap treatments including Harrison Custom and Rogers Precision.

GJ1981
01-01-2011, 18:57
I've never done it myself and don't plan to start, I have bad enough tendinitis as it is.

Springfield does great checkering, the only thing they don't do is get as high on the front strap as some others. That may or may not bother you.

You could go through Novak and get Pete Single's checkering, which is top quality too.

rsxr22
01-01-2011, 20:08
If you are mechanically competent than go for it. Im sure youd get much more satisfaction by doing it yourself. As of right now, Im nowhere near confident enough to try something like that. If you are near ATL though there are a ton of amazing smith's locally.

SouthpawShootr
01-01-2011, 21:39
I wouldn't even attempt it. OK, maybe I might IF I had the tools and detailed instructions and an already buggered up frame to practice on that I couldn't hurt too badly. I'm very good with my hands. This is not somewhere to go cheap (if you want cheap, use skateboard tape - it's inexpensive and doesn't look all that bad). I'd get somebody to do it who has examples where I can see the quality of the work. If somebody (including yourself) buggers it up, it so extraordinarily expensive to fix that you might as well not fix it. I believe a Gray Guns employee has a post on Sigforum that details what they did for somebody who brought them a bad checker job to fix, among other things.

I have 3 Kimbers that have factory checkering. I find that I like it alot. Not sure that I'd pay any more than around $200 total to get it done though. Not really necessary for me.

BTW, if I were to have Rogers work on mine, I'd go for his golfball frontstrap treatment.

Quack
01-01-2011, 21:51
no way would i try to do it freehand without a ton of practice.
the checkering fixture that i'm looking at is $185 and checkering files are about $50, so if you were only looking to do 1 frame, it'll be less expensive to send it in. also it's a LOT of filing. fitting a grip safety by hand took a while, so i can only imagine how long it would take to hand checker a frame.

MADBMW
01-01-2011, 21:57
The Springfield Armory Custom Shop does both machine and hand cut checkering. Hand cut cost more, but the machine cut is very well done. You will also have to pay for a frame re-finish and they can do that as well. I had them machine checker one of my front straps, and re-finish the entire gun in flat black armory kote. I think it was around $125 for the checkering, and $140 for the full gun to be re-finished in armory kote. They also have a reasonable turn around time compared to a place like Novak. That being said, if you go with Novak, you get the Pete Single checkering which is widely conidered to be the best in the world.

Robert McLeod
01-02-2011, 00:07
That being said, if you go with Novak, you get the Pete Single checkering which is widely conidered to be the best in the world.

I have Pete Single do the frontstrap checkering for me. It is regarded as some of the best checkering in the world with good reason. I heard about him while taking Larry Vickers' Pistolsmithing class.

MADBMW
01-02-2011, 10:43
I have Pete Single do the frontstrap checkering for me. It is regarded as some of the best checkering in the world with good reason. I heard about him while taking Larry Vickers' Pistolsmithing class.

For sure, the guy is a wizard with metal work.

Jim S.
01-02-2011, 11:41
I'm not sure I would want to learn to checker on my own guns.
I'm not sure I would want to spend the money on all of the stuff needed to do this unless I was planning to do more than a few guns.
I think I would just let someone with the experience and proper credentials do it and be happy with the outcome.

Hound_dogs_01
01-02-2011, 17:29
no way would i try to do it freehand without a ton of practice.
the checkering fixture that i'm looking at is $185 and checkering files are about $50, so if you were only looking to do 1 frame, it'll be less expensive to send it in. also it's a LOT of filing. fitting a grip safety by hand took a while, so i can only imagine how long it would take to hand checker a frame.


I have 2 frames I want done. One Blued and a SS model. My dad wants his Blued one done, My buddy who is actually going in on the cost of the tools to do it wants his and his dads done. So it's economical to buy the jig and files....

Our biggest issue is figuring out how to refinishing the blued models.....


Alex

Robert McLeod
01-03-2011, 03:44
I have done several by hand, that does not include the practicing that I did before that. If you are going to do them by hand I will offer some advice. Take your time, when you get tired, strained, etc. STOP! Don't ever let yourself be distracted while you are doing it.

It only takes one small error and you have completely ruined a frame. Thankfully I never ruined one. I have completely stopped hand checkering frontstraps. When I can have Pete Single do it with zero risk, there is really no point in hand checkering them anymore.

EdMac87
01-03-2011, 05:25
Our biggest issue is figuring out how to refinishing the blued models.....


Alex


Easy, Doug Turnbull.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
01-03-2011, 06:16
I have seen posts from guys who have done this to their own guns. Typically, they practice on some other pieces of metal and/or pipes. Then, they eventually do their gun. It never comes out right.

Unless you already know how to do a lot of work on your own guns as it is, and this is the next natural progression - I wouldn't try it.

Cerebrus
01-03-2011, 09:02
I have seen posts from guys who have done this to their own guns. Typically, they practice on some other pieces of metal and/or pipes. Then, they eventually do their gun. It never comes out right.

Wish I could find the pics from TOS.. it looked like that guy went after his Kimber with a butcher knife.. I tend to agree that the learning curve for doing this can be kind of steep, as I am not all that mechanically inclined, I would save the money and let a pro do it.. just my .02

Quack
01-03-2011, 19:33
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=297405

Greyhoundman
01-03-2011, 22:30
I have hand checkerd a few of my own 1911's and it has come out quite well. But it is very time consuming and tedious.

Hound_dogs_01
01-05-2011, 17:53
Well i am about 85% sure im going to try this my self in the coming months..

Whats the hardest part of the process to those of you that have done this them selves....?

Alex

glock2740
01-05-2011, 18:21
What about Chuck Rogers' golfball? Feels really good.

Greyhoundman
01-05-2011, 21:50
Well i am about 85% sure im going to try this my self in the coming months..

Whats the hardest part of the process to those of you that have done this them selves....?

Alex
Getting the lines started straight and keeping them straight while you cut to full depth. You will need layout fluid to help keep track of your progress I prefer Dykem blue. Also in addition to your checkering file you will need a 60deg bent needle file. I experimented first on a couple pieces of steel pipe from Lowes that was valuable practice. In my experience it is much easier to do 20LPI checkering that 30LPI it was much less prone to shift off line with the 20LPI checkering.

asiparks
01-06-2011, 00:46
This guy on our local gunboard did a great job....
Checkering (http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/gunsmithing-repairs/42754-1911-front-strap-checkering-finished-pictures.html)

Alaskapopo
01-06-2011, 00:58
Ok Guys I want my front straps checkerd. Who does a good job at this and who has done it their selves? I want to do it myself but I'm not 100% sure I can. I have been debating buying the jig and files from Brownells But still un sure.

Thanks Guys,

Alex

I like front strap checkering but not enough to pay for it to be done to a pistol that did not come with it. Skateboard tape works well and is a lot cheaper.
Pat

1006
01-06-2011, 18:29
Find Lynn Holt or John Harrison's phone number and call them. Lynn is in Douglasville and John is in Kennisaw, GA

They each do outstanding work near your location.

Hound_dogs_01
01-06-2011, 18:53
Find Lynn Holt or John Harrison's phone number and call them. Lynn is in Douglasville and John is in Kennisaw, GA

They each do outstanding work near your location.


I know Lynn pretty well. He has my Mauser right now building it and finishing the wood for it. I want to try this myself other wise he will be the one to do it. He charges $250 I think for 20lpi which is what I want done. He has encouraged me to try things myself many tims so I'm taking his advice on this one...... Mabe.....

He's the 1911 master of the south so I hear. Mabe oneday ill be able to afford a 100% custom doc Holt 1911.


Alex

1006
01-06-2011, 19:03
I had Lynn do the barrel fit, sight cuts, trigger track, and a Hi Power nose job to my last 1911 build(9mm). I put the rest together and had it finished at CCR. It is nice and very accurate. He does a great job with match barrel.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=210086&d=1293563783

other side

http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=210087&d=1293563804

Hound_dogs_01
01-06-2011, 19:31
This guy on our local gunboard did a great job....
Checkering (http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/gunsmithing-repairs/42754-1911-front-strap-checkering-finished-pictures.html)



TRhanks for this link. This have given me the courage to do it my self for sure now.

I am going to use the marvel jig as he mentioned in page 2.

thanks for the link!!

Alex

Hound_dogs_01
01-06-2011, 19:43
I had Lynn do the barrel fit, sight cuts, trigger track, and a Hi Power nose job to my last 1911 build(9mm). I put the rest together and had it finished at CCR. It is nice and very accurate. He does a great job with match barrel.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=210086&d=1293563783

other side

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I have never heard a single negative word about doc Holt. Ok, well just one, he's slow but his work is phenomenal. He says he does more 1911's in the South East than any other gunsmith in the South East.

It took him about 3 months to fit my Douglas air-guaged supreme barrel to my action, blue-print it, fit my extracter and bolt to the action, build a custom bolt handle for the bolt, and to fit the timney trigger to my action. But boy oh boy was it worth the wait it was exactly what I had picture din my head.

He is now putting the metal in the stock I baught for it, brownells said it would drop right in, they were DEAD wrong. It was only SEMI-inletted, not inletted like they said it was. After bickering with them for 2 weeks and them returning my money and letting me keep the wood, Doc has had it for 3 months now and I'm expecting a phone call some time this month to come pick it up. I can't wait!!!

I have a Springfield GI model I may be getting him to customize for me in the future once I get over building this rifle.


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ricsha
01-07-2011, 15:07
I decided (with some trepidation...) to do it myself, instead of sending my '09 Dan Wesson off for months, and at high shipping cost, to an expert. That's mine in the link posted above in #22. $30 jig and $40 file from Midway. In addition to the 30lpi checkering I also changed the radius under the trigger guard to get a higher grip. In my limited experience, if you are comfortable around hand tools, and take your time, anyone can do it.

But, it would be easy to screw it up if not careful. When getting started, several of my vertical lines went off-line. This is because the cheap guide I was using only guided the file on one side. If I were going to do several frames I would invest in one of the more expensive guides, like the Marvel, that guide both sides of the file. Eventually I got the hang of it, and as I deepened the cuts I was able to cover up the errors, but I was sweating bullets for a while.

20lpi or 25lpi would be easier to do than the 30 lpi I started out with. If I were starting over, I probably would not start out practicing on a $1000+ gun. Eventually I got it right, without "bubba-ing" a fine piece.

I say, if you have the patience, and enjoy the pride of doing it yourself, go for it.

Quack
01-08-2011, 08:18
http://cgi.ebay.com/Checker-Front-Strap-Colt-1911-Springfield-Gunsmith-/310284795524?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483e6a3e84#ht_707wt_907

Hound_dogs_01
01-09-2011, 10:00
Well in a few weeks I am going to place my order for the Marvel Jig and a few files.

Those of you that have front strap checkering, how many LPI do you guys like?

I'm going to do 20LPI on the first go, since every where I read it's the easiest to start with.

I'm going to start on my Stainless Springfield so we dont have to worry about refinishing it.

I'll be sure to post pictures once I am done and mabe some in the process.

Alex

Quack
01-09-2011, 10:05
i prefer 20LPI, that's what Springfield uses for the TRP, Trophy Match, Professional and TGO-1. if it's too sharp, you can always knock the points down.