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TN.Frank
01-03-2011, 15:23
What is a short list of some of the better bang for the buck 1911a1's on the market today. I know about the Rock River Arms but what are some others?
I'd like a Commander size gun with the round Commander hammer, decent sights(think Millet or Novak) and flat main spring housing. Other then that I'd rather have the standard slide lock, thumb safety and mag release button so they won't stick out much for CCW.
So, what's out there and what kind of price are we talking. Trying to bring one home in the $400 range if I can.

bac1023
01-03-2011, 15:24
Frank, I think you're referring to Rock Island Armory. :)

Quack
01-03-2011, 15:24
What is a short list of some of the better bang for the buck 1911a1's on the market today. I know about the Rock Island Armory but what are some others?
I'd like a Commander size gun with the round Commander hammer, decent sights(think Millet or Novak) and flat main spring housing. Other then that I'd rather have the standard slide lock, thumb safety and mag release button so they won't stick out much for CCW.
So, what's out there and what kind of price are we talking. Trying to bring one home in the $400 range if I can.

fixed it for you.

the other's would be the ATI FX line, which is also made in the Philippines.

bac1023
01-03-2011, 15:28
Metro's line is also good.


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Rinspeed
01-03-2011, 15:31
I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read of the RIA and RRA confusion. :whistling:

Nickpisp
01-03-2011, 15:38
I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read of the RIA and RRA confusion. :whistling:

I wish someone would sell me an RRA for an RIA price. :supergrin:

TN.Frank
01-03-2011, 15:46
LOL, yep, caught that. RRA does AR stuff IIRC. RIA is the P.I. 1911a1 maker.
Never heard of Metro, is that the actual name of the company or a sub-brand? I have read a little bit about the ATI, truth be know they're probably the same company in P.I. as RIA and they just put a different stamp on the gun.
Springfield Armory is suppose to be pretty good, at least it was back in the day but normally my local dealers think it's a dang Kimber and ask way too much for one.
I have a buddy in Ohio who actually builds 1911a1's, may need to give him a call and see what he has. Maybe he can work me a deal on something that he's tired of, God knows he has a blue million guns. LOL

bac1023
01-03-2011, 15:50
I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read of the RIA and RRA confusion. :whistling:

:agree:


:supergrin:

bac1023
01-03-2011, 16:14
I wish someone would sell me an RRA for an RIA price. :supergrin:

Now you're talking! :supergrin:

bac1023
01-03-2011, 16:17
LOL, yep, caught that. RRA does AR stuff IIRC. RIA is the P.I. 1911a1 maker.
Never heard of Metro, is that the actual name of the company or a sub-brand? I have read a little bit about the ATI, truth be know they're probably the same company in P.I. as RIA and they just put a different stamp on the gun.


Metro is a Filipino company that sells 1911s in the States under both the Firestorm and American Classic names. I have the former.

ATIs are also built in the Philippines. However, they're built by SAM, not Metro or Armscor (RIA).

By the way, RRA builds ARs now, but they built their share of 1911s in the past. :cool:


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jrs93accord
01-03-2011, 16:37
RIA Compacts

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/007-2.jpg

ATI has the FX TITAN that is around the $500 mark

PawDog
01-03-2011, 16:56
Metro Arms American Classic series, has their own Commander 1911, 4.25" barrel, blued. Heard some good things about them, and handled one at a local DFW gun show last month.

Cheaper Than Dirt had them for around $436.00, a couple of weeks ago. Also got to handle the RIA compact, 3.5" barrel at the same show; dealer had them for $375.00.

I prefer the American Classic due to the barrel length and the deep blued finish over the parkerized RIA finish. My RIA GI 1911 has the parkerized finish, and it's held up well over the past five years I've owned it, but I prefer the blued finish if I were to purchase another, unless I go ahead and get the Colt Combat Commander in SS as I'm considering.

craig19
01-03-2011, 18:34
Bud's has the ATI 4.25" for $387 delivered. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_859/products_id/411542726

samuse
01-03-2011, 19:01
I you're really gonna keep it forever, get a Colt.

Mayhem like Me
01-03-2011, 19:57
what type of steel are the metros made from,... Extruded /cast and how is the fitting.

bac1023
01-03-2011, 20:01
what type of steel are the metros made from,... Extruded /cast and how is the fitting.

I'm impressed with Metro. I believe they're forged slides on cast frames.

rsxr22
01-03-2011, 20:53
The metro's ive played with looked to be good guns. You cant argue with RIA's though. they work well for the money

carguy2244
01-03-2011, 20:56
What will be the primary function of your new weapon?
Range?
Carry?
Home defense?
Competition?

TN.Frank
01-04-2011, 16:50
Mainly going to use it for Home Defense/CCW with a bit of plinking thrown in for good measure. It's not like it'll see 5000 rounds a year like an IPSC gun would, heck, if I put 100 rnds thru it a year it'd be a lot.
I'm going to hit a few guns shops and see what's available and what kind of crazy prices they'll have on em'. Then I can research and hit em' with a counter offer when the funds are in my hot little hand. They'll either deal or I'll keep looking and maybe even find something on the used market. You figure, if a new RIA goes for $450 then I should be able to pick up a used one for $325 or there abouts maybe even a bit less.

BuckyP
01-04-2011, 16:51
It's not like it'll see 5000 rounds a year like an IPSC gun would, heck, if I put 100 rnds thru it a year it'd be a lot.


FYI, that's a low round count even for a casual IPSC shooter.

TN.Frank
01-04-2011, 22:28
FYI, that's a low round count even for a casual IPSC shooter.

I know, I was just throwin' a number out for an example. I use to help set up for the IPSC matches at Caswell's Shooting Range in Mesa,AZ. and those guys would burn thru 500 rnds in an evening without even breaking a sweat.

What I'm trying to say is that the gun won't be used a lot, just normal use, maybe hit the range a couple times a year and pop off 100 rounds or so.

Cobra64
01-04-2011, 23:12
I wish someone would sell me an RRA for an RIA price. :supergrin:

Yeah, well RRA isn't making 1911s anymore. They're focussed on AR15s. It's a shame.

thecableguy
01-04-2011, 23:28
Yeah, well RRA isn't making 1911s anymore. They're focussed on AR15s. It's a shame.


RRA is supposedly making 100 1911's this year.
Baer should announce his Centennial 1911 at the Shot Show.
Remington will introduce a new model as well as have a Centennial model at the Shot Show.
I don't know where he got the info from but I hope so.

MD357
01-05-2011, 00:06
100rds a year is a lot? Not to be mean but what's the point? Either way, just find yourself an RIA. :cool:

bac1023
01-05-2011, 04:48
Yeah, well RRA isn't making 1911s anymore. They're focussed on AR15s. It's a shame.

Sure is :sad:

glock2740
01-05-2011, 06:34
What is a short list of some of the better bang for the buck 1911a1's on the market today. I know about the Rock River Arms but what are some others?
I'd like a Commander size gun with the round Commander hammer, decent sights(think Millet or Novak) and flat main spring housing. Other then that I'd rather have the standard slide lock, thumb safety and mag release button so they won't stick out much for CCW.
So, what's out there and what kind of price are we talking. Trying to bring one home in the $400 range if I can.
Rock Island, not Rock River. :)

Bud's has the ATI 4.25" for $387 delivered. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_859/products_id/411542726
Here ya go. Hard to beat this commander for the price. The Rock Island isn't a true commander. It has a 4" bull barrel. I have some RIA's and they are good guns, especially at their price range. I don't have any hands on with the ATI line, but several look appealing and I haven't heard anyone complain about them.

TN.Frank
01-05-2011, 07:36
That's the same ATI that I've got bookmarked over at AIM's web site. I agree, it's a great looking gun with the right "bells and whistles" on it. Lowered ejection port, Commander hammer, beaver tail grip safety, 8 rnd. mag, perfect for a carry gun where the extended safety and slide stops might get in the way or dig into your side.
That's the one I really think I'm going to go for when funds allow, just need to find it for the $390-$400 price tag locally and I'll be set.

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 08:12
$387 shipped at Buds seems like a sweet deal for a nicely set up pistola.

TN.Frank
01-05-2011, 12:10
$387 shipped at Buds seems like a sweet deal for a nicely set up pistola.

Do a google search on Bud's Gun Shop and you'll find out that they're not the most friendly Customer Service people on the planet.
But that is a really nice size pistol for CCW and it has the stuff on it that I'd want to put on a stock pistol already in place so I won't have to mess with it.

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 12:14
Do a google search on Bud's Gun Shop and you'll find out that they're not the most friendly Customer Service people on the planet.
But that is a really nice size pistol for CCW and it has the stuff on it that I'd want to put on a stock pistol already in place so I won't have to mess with it.

I got my HK from them and wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 12:20
I purchased my XD from Buds and will do business with them again in the future.

okie
01-05-2011, 12:24
I wish someone would sell me an RRA for an RIA price. :supergrin:

This:supergrin:

okie
01-05-2011, 12:32
I wish someone would sell me an RRA for an RIA price. :supergrin:

This:supergrin:

MD357
01-05-2011, 13:48
Do a google search on Bud's Gun Shop and you'll find out that they're not the most friendly Customer Service people on the planet.
But that is a really nice size pistol for CCW and it has the stuff on it that I'd want to put on a stock pistol already in place so I won't have to mess with it.

I've bought several guns from them and have always found them to be lightining fast.

TN.Frank
01-05-2011, 15:16
All I know is that I've read here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Bud%27s+Gun+Shop+complaints&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 16:03
The only problem with complaints is that you almost always hear or read about the negative. People with bad experience are more vocal than a person that has a good experience. Like me I ordered the XD and it was delivered when they said it would and the gun was as advertised. I received me XD and that is all. Nothing else to be said about it. If somehow they would of screwed the pooch and refused to correct the problem then yes I probably would of come here and asked for advice and told everyone about my experience. You see what I am saying. I am sure more people will post here that have had good dealings with Buds. All I am saying is don't go buy what you read call them or ask in places like this about what ever you want to know and them make a decision.

ETA: this goes for any other shop not just buds.

Rinspeed
01-05-2011, 16:18
The only problem with complaints is that you almost always hear or read about the negative.




Not sure I follow. :whistling:

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 16:30
Not sure I follow. :whistling:

It's kind of like how you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway....or 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 rights make a left.






I think. :headscratch:

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 16:32
Not sure I follow. :whistling:

Read the second sentence. :tongueout:

Jack Black
01-05-2011, 17:56
All I know is that I've read here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Bud%27s+Gun+Shop+complaints&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Bud's appears to be huge with great prices, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have many times more customers than the average shop. More customers means more complaints, regardless how good or bad they might be. I just ordered my first gun from them. They shipped very fast and it's at my FFL dealer now. Unfortunately I won't be able to pick it up for a few days. Hopefully my experience with them will be good.

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 18:15
Remarkably similar to all the Kimber hate. Sell more than everyone else. More guns. More guns = more room for error. Happy people don't complain. For every person that b1tches about their Kimber....there's probably 100 or 1,000 happy people that love theirs.

Buy with confidence from Buds.

thecableguy
01-05-2011, 18:49
Remarkably similar to all the Kimber hate. Sell more than everyone else. More guns. More guns = more room for error. Happy people don't complain. For every person that b1tches about their Kimber....there's probably 100 or 1,000 happy people that love theirs.

Buy with confidence from Buds.
My point exactly.

glock2740
01-05-2011, 18:55
That's the same ATI that I've got bookmarked over at AIM's web site. I agree, it's a great looking gun with the right "bells and whistles" on it. Lowered ejection port, Commander hammer, beaver tail grip safety, 8 rnd. mag, perfect for a carry gun where the extended safety and slide stops might get in the way or dig into your side.
That's the one I really think I'm going to go for when funds allow, just need to find it for the $390-$400 price tag locally and I'll be set.
It's $387 shipped to your FFL from Bud's. You can't beat that. Bud's has lay-a-way too, if you need it.

Hokie1911
01-05-2011, 19:01
My point exactly.

Some of us are a little more articulate than others. :whistling:

glock2740
01-05-2011, 19:30
Do a google search on Bud's Gun Shop and you'll find out that they're not the most friendly Customer Service people on the planet.
But that is a really nice size pistol for CCW and it has the stuff on it that I'd want to put on a stock pistol already in place so I won't have to mess with it.
I bought my TRP from Bud's and it was a highly recommendable experience. I'm gonna buy another from them pretty soon. Marlin .45-70 Guide Gun. :cool: I wouldn't hesitate to buy a gun from them and would recommend them any day of the week.

samuse
01-05-2011, 21:25
I've bought from Bud's, good experience.

Cheapest 1911 in the world? Hmm.

bac1023
01-05-2011, 22:07
$387 shipped at Buds seems like a sweet deal for a nicely set up pistola.

That is a nice deal. :)

MD357
01-06-2011, 01:47
Remarkably similar to all the Kimber hate. Sell more than everyone else. More guns. More guns = more room for error. Happy people don't complain. For every person that b1tches about their Kimber....there's probably 100 or 1,000 happy people that love theirs.

Buy with confidence from Buds.

Kimber is different. :whistling: :cool: :supergrin:

TN.Frank
01-06-2011, 06:23
It's $387 shipped to your FFL from Bud's. You can't beat that. Bud's has lay-a-way too, if you need it.

Add in the $32 for Transfer and TICs fee and I'd be at $419, Dave's can get one for me for $450 out the door so I'd save $31 bucks.
I know for every 1 bad experience at Bud's there's probably 100 good ones, like you said, they're a big store so there's bound to be some people that just get rubbed the wrong way.
I may see if Tabor's deals with Bud's, if they do then I could have them order from Bud's and I'd just have to pay the Transfer and TICs fee when the gun came in.

How do you do something like this, do I pay Bud's directly then have him ship to my local FFL or do I pay my local FFL and have them get in touch with Bud's or what?
Only guns I've ever bought over the net were C&R guns where I had them shipped direct to me.

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 07:46
You order from Buds. Give them your local FFL info. They ship to your FFL and you pick it up there, paying only your FFL fee on top of the Buds price (which includes shipping). Your all-in price should be closer to $400. Typically FFLs charge $20-30.

TN.Frank
01-06-2011, 08:28
By "FFL Info" do you mean just the Name and address with phone number or do I need actual FFL Lic. info to give em'. Also, Tabor's Gun and Pawn charges $20+tax for the transfer, that's $22, then we've got the $10 TICs fee so total charges would be $32 bucks on top of whatever the gun price is. $419 out the door isn't too bad for a decent quality 1911a1 45acp.

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 08:37
By "FFL Info" do you mean just the Name and address with phone number or do I need actual FFL Lic. info to give em'. Also, Tabor's Gun and Pawn charges $20+tax for the transfer, that's $22, then we've got the $10 TICs fee so total charges would be $32 bucks on top of whatever the gun price is. $419 out the door isn't too bad for a decent quality 1911a1 45acp.

On Buds' website, when you order your gun, there will be a section for shipping where you list your FFL. They will probably have them on file already. If not, just have your FFL contact them and send his info, or you can do it as well. He will need to send them a copy of his FFL if they do not have it on file. That sucks you have to pay extra on top of the FFL charge. My guy is a flat $20....that's it.

$419 all-in is a great deal. I'd jump all over that for a cost-effective .45.

BuckyP
01-06-2011, 08:41
On Buds' website, when you order your gun, there will be a section for shipping where you list your FFL. They will probably have them on file already. If not, just have your FFL contact them and send his info, or you can do it as well. He will need to send them a copy of his FFL if they do not have it on file. That sucks you have to pay extra on top of the FFL charge. My guy is a flat $20....that's it.

$419 all-in is a great deal. I'd jump all over that for a cost-effective .45.

It's all relative. I recently sold a gun to my police officer cousin in New Jersey. Cheapest place we could find to do the transfer was $60 (45 + 15 for the NICS). When shopping around, I had one place quote me over $100! :wow:

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 08:45
Just another reason to avoid that cestpool of a state called the People's Republik of New Jersey.

BuckyP
01-06-2011, 08:52
Just another reason to avoid that cestpool of a state called the People's Republik of New Jersey.

I try, moved out 7 years ago. Still have family there, though, and ironically they've held the best IPSC matches in my area.

bambikilr
01-08-2011, 08:28
So who all has an ATI? How does it perform....

Quack
01-08-2011, 08:34
So who all has an ATI? How does it perform....

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16048266&postcount=17

thecableguy
01-08-2011, 09:33
It's all relative. I recently sold a gun to my police officer cousin in New Jersey. Cheapest place we could find to do the transfer was $60 (45 + 15 for the NICS). When shopping around, I had one place quote me over $100! :wow:
I am sooo glad I don't live in NJ anymore. The pawn shop down the street from me charges me $10 for transfers.

bac1023
01-08-2011, 19:50
It's all relative. I recently sold a gun to my police officer cousin in New Jersey. Cheapest place we could find to do the transfer was $60 (45 + 15 for the NICS). When shopping around, I had one place quote me over $100! :wow:

Ridiculous :steamed:

jrs93accord
01-08-2011, 20:58
So who all has an ATI? How does it perform....

I have an ATI FX45 MILITARY that has performed well so far.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/007-3.jpg

bambikilr
01-09-2011, 00:17
thanks quack & jr for the link & reply