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TN.Frank
01-06-2011, 06:38
I've owned 9, 1911a1 style pistols, out of those only the Llama's were not full size guns. One was a Commander size and one was a P12 style so I have more experience with the full size guns.
For those of ya'll who have both which do you find better for CCW? I find that the grip length makes more of a difference for CCW then barrel length and both full size and commander size have the same grip length so does that 3/4" less barrel length really make a big difference in packin' the 1911a1 for CCW?
I do like the looks of the commander size gun better, seems to look more balanced as far as grip length and barrel length.
Thoughts, opinions, suggestions. Just kickin' around weather I should get a full size or commander size even though I'm thinking commander size right now.

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 07:52
Bobtailed commander. Problem solved. :supergrin:

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/8dde7836.jpg

rgregoryb
01-06-2011, 08:06
commander.......and a true 4.25" commander.................

1006
01-06-2011, 08:08
I carry a LWT XSE Commander. The weight, rather than size, is the bigger reason for me.

With the loads I shoot, I loose about 50 Feet Per Second with 230 FMJs. The lighter bullets will loose more velocity than the heavier bullets when switching from a longer barrel to a shorter barrel.

AZ Husker
01-06-2011, 08:37
I have no difficulty hiding the extra 3/4 inch inside the waistband.

Agent6-3/8
01-06-2011, 08:51
I've carried both and find neither difficult or uncomfortable to carry. My current CCW is a custom Colt Commander with a Wilson round butt mainspring housing. I'm very happy with this setup.

knedrgr
01-06-2011, 12:14
This:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/2010-DW-CCO_black-VZ-grips.jpg

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 12:21
Those new grips are looking tasty. :thumbsup:

Trent
01-06-2011, 13:00
I've carried one or the other for about 25 years, and I currently carry the commander sized most of the time. The only real difference that is noted when using a real gunbelt and good holster is when seated. That is the only time that the 3/4" difference is noticeable. If you plan on sitting most of the day, you'll probably find the commander more comfortable. If standing, there is no real difference at all. Since Colt and other good manufacturers now offer aluminum in government sized frames, weight isn't as large of an issue when carrying all day. However, I never noticed it much regardless.

Also, I carry IWB most of the time now, and that is what the above paragraph is regarding; if OWB the difference is far less with a good belt and holster.

MD357
01-06-2011, 13:07
To me there's not that much difference with a good holster but it depends on your method of carry and body type. I've seen really skinny boys have some trouble carrying a full size 1911 OWB.

Bill Lumberg
01-06-2011, 13:11
I prefer a commander, but I own a flawless 5", and won't switch. In certain vehicles, for all day carry, that 1" you lose in slide length really makes a difference on your hip where the muzzle hits.

I've owned 9, 1911a1 style pistols, out of those only the Llama's were not full size guns. One was a Commander size and one was a P12 style so I have more experience with the full size guns.
For those of ya'll who have both which do you find better for CCW? I find that the grip length makes more of a difference for CCW then barrel length and both full size and commander size have the same grip length so does that 3/4" less barrel length really make a big difference in packin' the 1911a1 for CCW?
I do like the looks of the commander size gun better, seems to look more balanced as far as grip length and barrel length.
Thoughts, opinions, suggestions. Just kickin' around weather I should get a full size or commander size even though I'm thinking commander size right now.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
01-06-2011, 13:17
I prefer to shoot a fullsize over a commander size - I find the smaller gun has a little more recoil.

I conceal a Beretta 92FS everyday IWB - so if I ever switch to a 1911, I'd carry a 5" fullsize one. Just my preference. The grip size is the same anyway.

And, I always hated that the subcompact guns I used to carry in years past never had a full length backstrap. I hate that - which is why I can't get into the bobtailed models. Whenever I hold a bobtail, I always find myself preferring the normal grip.

CAcop
01-06-2011, 13:56
IWB the length means nothing. OWB the length of the 5" might make it stick out from under a shirt or jacket. One of the reasons why I pretty much go with IWB since I have a long torso and most T-shirts only give me an inch or two to cover my belt.

The Officer's grip is defintely the way to go with CCW if the grip sticks out too much. My Springfield Compact (4" barrel on top of Officer's frame) just disappears when carried IWB. I really don't like barrels under 4" so the CCO is where it is at for CCW for me.

I need to pic up a second CCO style gun at some point before I retire so I can have a backup to my Springer.

glock2740
01-06-2011, 15:06
I like the size and balance of a Commander.

PlasticGuy
01-06-2011, 18:12
I generally carry a 5" steel framed 1911. The only size that I think offers a valuable increase in carryability while still being 100% reliable is the CCO size with alloy frames. These combine a shorter officer's grip with a medium length commander slide and barrel, and drop the weight by about half a pound. I have the S&W version, and love it. I still carry a full sized 1911 most of the time, but the S&W CCO is a bit more comfortable on long and active days.

mr.scott
01-06-2011, 18:39
I can't do a full size 1911. When I sit the barrel presses against my wallet and makes sitting uncomfortable. I can't carry a smaller 1911 because for some reason with shorter models I get hit in the face with brass.

RetailNinja
01-06-2011, 21:32
SS2 + government model = easy money

so much so that I got rid of my 4" (bull barrel SA) and just carry the 5"

Officer's Match
01-06-2011, 21:37
Has anybody ever made a 5" top over an Officer's frame? It'd look weird, but frankly would be kinda' cool.

maslin
01-06-2011, 21:46
The Officer's grip is defintely the way to go with CCW if the grip sticks out too much. My Springfield Compact (4" barrel on top of Officer's frame) just disappears when carried IWB. I really don't like barrels under 4" so the CCO is where it is at for CCW for me.

I need to pic up a second CCO style gun at some point before I retire so I can have a backup to my Springer.

I've found my Springfield Compact to be about perfect as well, I wish they still made them. Mine is stamped 2002.

gruntmedik
01-06-2011, 22:04
IWB the length means nothing. OWB the length of the 5" might make it stick out from under a shirt or jacket. One of the reasons why I pretty much go with IWB since I have a long torso and most T-shirts only give me an inch or two to cover my belt.

The Officer's grip is defintely the way to go with CCW if the grip sticks out too much. My Springfield Compact (4" barrel on top of Officer's frame) just disappears when carried IWB. I really don't like barrels under 4" so the CCO is where it is at for CCW for me.

I need to pic up a second CCO style gun at some point before I retire so I can have a backup to my Springer.

I've found my Springfield Compact to be about perfect as well, I wish they still made them. Mine is stamped 2002.

I couldn't agree more.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/gruntmedik/Gun%20porn/SpringfieldCompact003resize.jpg

Hokie1911
01-06-2011, 22:06
Deke, someone Sharpied your frame. :wow:

OldCurlyWolf
01-06-2011, 22:41
I've owned 9, 1911a1 style pistols, out of those only the Llama's were not full size guns. One was a Commander size and one was a P12 style so I have more experience with the full size guns.
For those of ya'll who have both which do you find better for CCW? I find that the grip length makes more of a difference for CCW then barrel length and both full size and commander size have the same grip length so does that 3/4" less barrel length really make a big difference in packin' the 1911a1 for CCW?
I do like the looks of the commander size gun better, seems to look more balanced as far as grip length and barrel length.
Thoughts, opinions, suggestions. Just kickin' around weather I should get a full size or commander size even though I'm thinking commander size right now.
I have carried the Star Modelo A and Modelo B, both in 9mm but a 1911 copy without the grip safety and currently a Delta Elite. The "B" model was slightly more comfortable from both a weight and size consideration, but I have had much better accuracy with the "A" model and the Delta. As I am above average in size I don't really have much problem with CC of almost anything. :wavey:

TN.Frank
01-07-2011, 09:07
One question about the Commander size gun, is there enough of the slide sticking out from the dust cover to let you load it by pushing the slide against something or is it too short.
I know on the full size guns it can be done because I've done it but never tried with the shorter length gun.

woodrowNC
01-07-2011, 09:17
IWB the length means nothing. OWB the length of the 5" might make it stick out from under a shirt or jacket. One of the reasons why I pretty much go with IWB since I have a long torso and most T-shirts only give me an inch or two to cover my belt.

The Officer's grip is defintely the way to go with CCW if the grip sticks out too much. My Springfield Compact (4" barrel on top of Officer's frame) just disappears when carried IWB. I really don't like barrels under 4" so the CCO is where it is at for CCW for me.

I need to pic up a second CCO style gun at some point before I retire so I can have a backup to my Springer.

i don't have small hands but officers size grip frames do it for me. that bottom finger just barely makes the curl. and a g36 does the same. i've a lucky hand size i guess. sure makes things look big!:rofl:

Trent
01-07-2011, 10:44
Has anybody ever made a 5" top over an Officer's frame? It'd look weird, but frankly would be kinda' cool.

Detonics Streetmaster

Trent
01-07-2011, 10:47
One question about the Commander size gun, is there enough of the slide sticking out from the dust cover to let you load it by pushing the slide against something or is it too short.
I know on the full size guns it can be done because I've done it but never tried with the shorter length gun.

Just use the edge or corner so the frame can go past.

PlasticGuy
01-07-2011, 10:58
One question about the Commander size gun, is there enough of the slide sticking out from the dust cover to let you load it by pushing the slide against something or is it too short.
I know on the full size guns it can be done because I've done it but never tried with the shorter length gun.
I believe it's too short, though the technique I was taught (hooking the rear sight on my belt) makes it irrelevant to me. Get a good rear sight like a 10-8 or Yost, and it doesn't matter. It also standardizes your training across all pistol platforms.

TN.Frank
01-07-2011, 10:59
Just use the edge or corner so the frame can go past.

Good idea. Don't think I'll ever run into a situation where I'll need to reload with one hand and slide down but you never know. It's always good to know how to run your gun if you're hurt and can only use one hand.

cole
01-07-2011, 11:08
I like the idea of the 5", but prefer the utility of the 4.25". The 5" ultimately is just more gun to conceal. So, a Commander slide on an Officer grip (same concealment reason) is ideal for my medium size mitts. I have a 4" Kimber Compact, but I wish someone would make a true-to-design 4.25 CCO I can afford (e.g. like the LB Stinger).

knedrgr
01-07-2011, 11:23
I have a 4" Kimber Compact, but I wish someone would make a true-to-design 4.25 CCO I can afford (e.g. like the LB Stinger).

DW CCO is one option.

cole
01-07-2011, 11:27
DW CCO is one option.

Nice gun indeed, but I want a steel frame. And, "afford" for me is <$800. I'm hoping Springfield is listening. :supergrin:

BayouGlocker
01-07-2011, 11:34
If you have to make a contact shot, having a light mounted on your 5" usually wont keep the slide from being pushed out of battery. The slide is just too long. If you mount a light to a shorter slide pistol, and make the same contact shot, that chance is significantly reduced.

This is why I'm a fan of compact slides and shorter barrels. But, I'm no expert, and God willing none of us will ever "need" to make a contact shot.

TN.Frank
01-07-2011, 11:54
The things I really like on the ATI Commander size gun are the Grip Safety, Hammer and Flat Main Spring Housing, if they were offered on the Full Size it'd be a harder choice but since they're not and since the Commander size gun is only $7 bucks more with the "bells and whistles" that I like I'll probably end up with it and not the full size.

Of course once the house sells later this Spring/Summer then I could probably just get the full size too so I'd have both. :whistling:

tango44
01-07-2011, 12:28
Love my Commander for CC, I can't CC a 5 inch government!

Trent
01-07-2011, 13:11
Good idea. Don't think I'll ever run into a situation where I'll need to reload with one hand and slide down but you never know. It's always good to know how to run your gun if you're hurt and can only use one hand.

Yes, you can even use the heel of your shoe if you're able to bend your knee and left your foot up perpendicular to the ground while sitting or standing, should there be no discernible edges or corners. Opposite foot to shooting hand is easiest.

ambluemax
01-08-2011, 09:44
6 one way and a half dozen the other IMO. The comander is a little more trim, the gov conceals better.....[say what?]...yeah, for me the extra length helps the gun lay flatter against my body than the comander.

I carry both, but my primary is a comander DW CBOB- more for the bobtail grip than the barrel length.

The difference is slight

Rimcrew
01-08-2011, 13:11
The CCO is the perfect design for concealed carry, IMHO.

I still don't get the commander size. It gives up an advantage in the longer barrel/slide, with no increase in advantage anywhere else (bob-tails excepted).

Quack
01-08-2011, 13:15
go big, or go home.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004738887_aDqi3-L.jpg

gruntmedik
01-08-2011, 18:43
Deke, someone Sharpied your frame. :wow:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/gruntmedik/marker_pwned.jpg

:rofl:

Hokie1911
01-08-2011, 19:09
:animlol:

GJ1981
01-08-2011, 19:27
I owned a commander for a while but eventually sold it for a 5". I think the difference for CCW is minimal between the two, at least for me.

TN.Frank
01-08-2011, 21:20
I owned a commander for a while but eventually sold it for a 5". I think the difference for CCW is minimal between the two, at least for me.

I'm 6'4" and around 270 lbs(gained back 10 of the 30 I lost recently.:crying:) so I'm tall enough where I'm not sure that 3/4" will make much difference at all. The main deal with the Commander size ATI is the hammer/grip safety/flat main spring housing, which are things I like. The Full size doesn't have those things and it'd cost more then $7 bucks to get em' so there's that.

I know for sure I'm going with a 1911a1 of somekind or another and in 45acp and my budget isn't going to be more then about $450 so the ATI's or maybe a good, used Springfield Armory would probably be my best bet.

Trent
01-08-2011, 21:24
I'm 6'4" and around 270 lbs(gained back 10 of the 30 I lost recently.:crying:) so I'm tall enough where I'm not sure that 3/4" will make much difference at all. The main deal with the Commander size ATI is the hammer/grip safety/flat main spring housing, which are things I like. The Full size doesn't have those things and it'd cost more then $7 bucks to get em' so there's that.

I know for sure I'm going with a 1911a1 of somekind or another and in 45acp and my budget isn't going to be more then about $450 so the ATI's or maybe a good, used Springfield Armory would probably be my best bet.

We're about the same size, but I'm 15lbs. lighter and have a small waist (36") for my size. Sitting is about the only time you will notice any difference, and depending upon how you carry, perhaps none at all or very intermittently as listed in my initial post.

quantico
01-16-2011, 19:01
My girlfriend is super thin but pretty tall. A five inch 1911 hits her ribs or hip bones and is quite painful to carry. I found out my ed brown 4.25. Inch bobtail is just right for her.. she also likes the sig 239. And 229 in the correct holster with a lot of can't. The stiff springs make the shorter pistol from. Brown a bit harder to shoot quickly. But still. Accurate and easy to get perfect shot placement.

Short Cut
01-17-2011, 12:47
To me there isn't any remarkable difference in length between the two, however if you're going from an all steel Gov't to a lightweight Commander that is a pretty noticable difference which is felt most at the end of a long day.

btj
01-19-2011, 09:24
Big fan here of the Commander size (and bobtail). For me, one of the reasons why I put off joining the ranks of 1911 owners was that I couldn't comfortably carry a full size. For the hell of it, I tried wearing a friend's CBOB around the house one day and that small difference actually made all the difference in the world for me.

Fast forward a couple of months and I bought my own CBOB from a member here and it hasn't left my side since.