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glocked-up
01-06-2011, 09:03
I understand the differences between the 590 and the 590A1 but what are the differences between the 500 and 590?

Victoriagotagun
01-06-2011, 10:03
The magazine tubes are different and there are no 18.5" 590's.

m24shooter
01-06-2011, 10:48
Depends on the model of the 500.
There are some 500s that have the mag tube cleanout like a 590. There are also some models that will have all of the features of the 590A1 series, but still be labelled as a 500. Some of these are .mil contract overruns, and may not be seen outside of the .mil. However there are some overruns that make it to civilian sales. When you get into the .mil requests for the 500, 590, and 590A1 some real oddball configurations start showing up with several different barrel lengths (including a 17" model and I believe a 20" model with a 6 round capacity) and then something that would otherwise be a 590A1 excpet it will be rollmarked as a 500.
As Victoria said, in general the 500 will have a take down screw on the end of the mag tube.

mixflip
01-06-2011, 11:42
These guys said it ^. In general the typical 590 will be 20 inches long,will have a built in, very strong, extended magazine (not removable), and usually have a bayonet lug. Those are what most people expect from a basic 590 purchase.

A 500 will typically have a short 5 round mag and come in an assortment of variations from there. 18.5" barrel? 20" barrel? 26" hunting barrel? capable of adding a removable mag tube extension?...basically it can be set up with more options than a 590 and doesnt have a bayonet lug or super solid strong mag tube like a 590 typically, but I have seen bayonets mounted on 500's with adapters.

Thats my slant anyway. I had both a 590SP and a Maverick 88 which is a poor mans 500.

Here is my old 590speacial purpose. Notice the one solid, non removable mag tube.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5079.jpg


Here is an example of a bare bones 500. Notice the option of having an 18.5" barrel and 5 shot magazine both of which the 590 cant have.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/mossberg_500_old.jpg

glocked-up
01-06-2011, 20:58
ok, thanks for all the info, you guys ever hear of a 500A? Whats up with the 500A?

mdehoogh
01-06-2011, 21:13
... capable of adding a removable mag tube extension?...

I don't think that 500's have the ability to accept mag extensions.

mixflip
01-06-2011, 21:20
I don't think that 500's have the ability to accept mag extensions.

Good catch. I think your right?

rtaggs
01-06-2011, 22:01
Seen the Tangs break on 590's before.

Reswob
01-06-2011, 22:27
I understand the differences between the 590 and the 590A1 but what are the differences between the 500 and 590?

1 round. 20" 500 is 7+1, 20" 590 is 8+1. Also, most (all?) non-A1 590s have a heat shield and bayonet lug.

mac66
01-07-2011, 09:03
I understand the differences between the 590 and the 590A1 but what are the differences between the 500 and 590?

Your homework for today is to read this wikipedia article on the Mossberg 500.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500

m24shooter
01-07-2011, 11:34
Good catch. I think your right?
The 500 in general has the barrel take down screw, so the magazine capacity is set. However, the models like the 500 Tactical Cruiser have a mag tube clean out and CAN take mag extensions.
ETA: You can buy the kits that include the longer mag tube and new barrel for the 500, as they would both have to be changed if you wanted to increase the mag capacity.
The 590 and 590A1 are capable of accepting a mag extension without modification.

m24shooter
01-07-2011, 11:35
Seen the Tangs break on 590's before.
Thus the A1 metal safety button requirement, and the requirement for metal buttons on some of the .mil 500 productions.

m24shooter
01-07-2011, 11:41
1 round. 20" 500 is 7+1, 20" 590 is 8+1. Also, most (all?) non-A1 590s have a heat shield and bayonet lug.
All of the 590s and the 9 shot A1s will have the bayonet lug.
Some of the 590s will have the heatshield. The GRS units will not.
The heatshield can work on the A1s, and those with the GRS. In addition, Aimpro has a heatshield that will work on the A1s.

glocked-up
01-10-2011, 14:00
Your homework for today is to read this wikipedia article on the Mossberg 500.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500

Lots of good information on that site..thanks for the link

glocked-up
01-10-2011, 14:02
All of the 590s and the 9 shot A1s will have the bayonet lug.
Some of the 590s will have the heatshield. The GRS units will not.
The heatshield can work on the A1s, and those with the GRS. In addition, Aimpro has a heatshield that will work on the A1s.

What are GRS units?

m24shooter
01-10-2011, 14:47
Ghost Ring Sight. Not the LPA, the Mossberg GRS.

glocked-up
01-11-2011, 06:51
Ghost Ring Sight. Not the LPA, the Mossberg GRS.

:blondmoment: I guess I should ask what is LPA now?

m24shooter
01-11-2011, 07:01
The LPA brand ghost rings as found on the SPX models.

glocked-up
01-11-2011, 07:16
The 500 in general has the barrel take down screw, so the magazine capacity is set. However, the models like the 500 Tactical Cruiser have a mag tube clean out and CAN take mag extensions.
ETA: You can buy the kits that include the longer mag tube and new barrel for the 500, as they would both have to be changed if you wanted to increase the mag capacity.
The 590 and 590A1 are capable of accepting a mag extension without modification.

So for the most part no aftermarket mag extentions for a Mossberg 500 with 18.5" barrel?
Are all the mossberg 18.5" barrels limited to 5+1?

m24shooter
01-11-2011, 08:43
Correct. If you have a 500 that uses a mag tube cleanout like the 590 design you can usually add an extension. If you have one that uses the barrel take down screw then you would have to replace the barrel and the mag tube to change capacity.
The 18.5" 500/590 barrel models are 6 round capacity from the factory. See above as for if that can be changed.

CAcop
01-11-2011, 09:59
There are aftermarket mag exentions for 18.5" 590A1 shotguns. Vangcomp has a +1 and Choate has a +2 that sticks out past the barrel 1/4".

glocked-up
01-11-2011, 11:54
[QUOTE=m24shooter;16599591] However, the models like the 500 Tactical Cruiser have a mag tube clean out and CAN take mag extensions.

Can the pistol grip be removed in favor of a standard stock on this model?

m24shooter
01-11-2011, 17:39
Yes it can.

partridge
02-04-2011, 03:01
I was at the gunshop this afternoon and need to choose between a 500 police persuader and a 590 mariner.

The 500 is all black, has ghost ring sights, 8 shot, heat shield and a Surefire G2 on it.

The 590 has nothing on it, other than the mariner finish.

Both are the 8 shot, same length, same weight(far as I could tell), and the mags are the same length as the barrel. Meaning they both look exactly the same, except for the finish.

Price difference is negligible.

Help me out please. Which would you get and why?

akgunnut
02-04-2011, 04:01
This is my 590. I thought it was the 590A1 but it turns out its the 590 Special Purpose. I believe the A1 has the aluminum trigger guard, but mine has a polymer one. That's okay I'm still happy with it!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/spyderdude18/IMGP0347.jpg

m24shooter
02-04-2011, 09:24
I was at the gunshop this afternoon and need to choose between a 500 police persuader and a 590 mariner.

The 500 is all black, has ghost ring sights, 8 shot, heat shield and a Surefire G2 on it.
Is this a used gun? There isn't a factory configuration for that. I have a few questions on this below.
The 590 has nothing on it, other than the mariner finish.

Both are the 8 shot, same length, same weight(far as I could tell), and the mags are the same length as the barrel. Meaning they both look exactly the same, except for the finish.
Nope. The 500 is an 8 shot and the 590 is a 9 shot.

Price difference is negligible.

Help me out please. Which would you get and why?
Personally, I wouldn't get either one. I have no need for a mariner finish. There isn't anything wrong with it, I just don't need it.
I don't care for the 500 mag tube arrangement. Again nothing wrong with it, I just prefer mag tube cleanouts.
On features outside of the finish, I would go with the 590 in general though.
What kind of ghost rings are on the 500? You mentioned it had a heatshield as well. If the ghost rings are mounted to the heatshield, there is no way I would consider that a selling point. What kind of light mount is used for the G2? Depending an that, it may not be a selling point either.


This is my 590. I thought it was the 590A1 but it turns out its the 590 Special Purpose. I believe the A1 has the aluminum trigger guard, but mine has a polymer one. That's okay I'm still happy with it!
The 590A1 is rollmarked "590A1" on the side of the receiver. The bottom of the receiver forward of the loading port will still say "Mossberg Made In The USA North Haven, Conn. 590 12 Ga."
The A1 will have the heavier barrel, metal safety button and metal trigger guard.

partridge
02-04-2011, 20:14
m24:

These are both new guns. The 500 might have been "dressed up"by the shop to sell it quicker.

I dont know exactly which sights are installed but they are not mounted on the heat shield.

Forgive my lack of terminology, have been into glocks for a long time now, but this is the first time I am considering shotguns. The G2 is secured to the magazine tube with a bracket. It does not even have a remote switch. You have to turn the end to turn it on. If I get this one, I may just take it off and use the light as a daily carry.

I am in the bottom of the Philippines and these 2 guns are readily available to me without any travel and avoiding buying a gun sight unseen.

I am leaning towards the 590 mariner as I can put in the accessories myself, and thats quite fun too.

deserttactical45
02-04-2011, 20:52
mossbergs are crap! If you want a good shotgun get a remington 870 or a benelli

WJR
02-04-2011, 21:17
mossbergs are crap! If you want a good shotgun get a remington 870 or a benelli

Is that a joke?

WJR

deserttactical45
02-05-2011, 23:44
[QUOTE=WJR;16810586]Is that a joke?

WJR[/QUOTE

Yea Mossbergs are a joke

WJR
02-06-2011, 00:51
[QUOTE=WJR;16810586]Is that a joke?

WJR[/QUOTE

Yea Mossbergs are a joke

My two 590A1s have been excellent. I am a leftie so the 870 never worked well for me. On what basis are you making this assessment?

WJR

m24shooter
02-06-2011, 09:21
m24:

These are both new guns. The 500 might have been "dressed up"by the shop to sell it quicker.
Quite possible.
I dont know exactly which sights are installed but they are not mounted on the heat shield.
As long as they aren't the ATI sights that are mounted to the heatshield they are probably OK.
Forgive my lack of terminology, have been into glocks for a long time now, but this is the first time I am considering shotguns. The G2 is secured to the magazine tube with a bracket. It does not even have a remote switch. You have to turn the end to turn it on. If I get this one, I may just take it off and use the light as a daily carry.
You should be able to just press in on the button at the back of the G2 to turn it on momentarily.
I am in the bottom of the Philippines and these 2 guns are readily available to me without any travel and avoiding buying a gun sight unseen.

I am leaning towards the 590 mariner as I can put in the accessories myself, and thats quite fun too.
In the PI the corrosive resistant finish may be a big help.

Big A
02-06-2011, 10:41
The magazine tubes are different and there are no 18.5" 590's.

Not true...

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=26&section=products

:cool:

m24shooter
02-06-2011, 10:57
Not true...

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=26&section=products

:cool:

True. She's right. The 18.5" shotguns are 590A1s, not 590s.
Look at the link you provided. The 590s are 20" guns.
You should have looked at this link for the 590/500 SP shotguns:
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&section=products

Big A
02-06-2011, 12:38
True. She's right. The 18.5" shotguns are 590A1s, not 590s.
Look at the link you provided. The 590s are 20" guns.
You should have looked at this link for the 590/500 SP shotguns:
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&section=products

Ok, They put a metal trigger gaurd and saftey on it, put A1 at the end of its model number and this some how makes it not a 590? Seems silly to argue semantics but whatever...

I just wanted the OP to know that he could get an 18.5 in shotgun that he could add a plus 1 extension from Vang Comp and have as many rounds as the 20in 500 in a 1.5 in shorter package...

m24shooter
02-06-2011, 13:12
Ok, They put a metal trigger gaurd and saftey on it, put A1 at the end of its model number and this some how makes it not a 590?
Well, to the manufacturer it does. The "A1" part of the designation makes it a derivation, which does in fact make it not a 590. They share a lot of the same features and even components, but they are different. You can swap parts between the 20" guns all you want, but you can't put an 18.5" A1 barrel on a 590 and have the shotgun work without changing the mag tube. That is because there is no 18.5" 590 offered from the factory that you can go to a gunshop and buy.
There was a .mil contract of 590s that were rejected because they were not A1s so they see the distinction. The A1 was created because of requested changes to the original 590 so by definition it is not a 590.
And don't forget the heavy barrel, which is the other part that makes an 590A1 not a 590.
Seems silly to argue semantics but whatever...
You can say its semantics, but they are different. One is only a 20" gun with 9 round capacity, thin barrel, polymer safety slider and trigger guard. The other is a 6 or 9 round capacity, heavy barrel, metal safety and trigger guard.
Is it a huge difference? Maybe not. It is more than semantics.
I just wanted the OP to know that he could get an 18.5 in shotgun that he could add a plus 1 extension from Vang Comp and have as many rounds as the 20in 500 in a 1.5 in shorter package...
I missed where you said that then.

deserttactical45
02-08-2011, 01:46
[QUOTE=deserttactical45;16818237]

My two 590A1s have been excellent. I am a leftie so the 870 never worked well for me. On what basis are you making this assessment?

WJR

Mossbergs are just a cheap ass mass produced shotgun that everyone buys. I dont think the 590a1 is all that bad but the 500 is crap and all the stupid accesories like the 50 cal flash supressor they put on some of them is retarded.

mdfd
02-08-2011, 09:52
m24:

These are both new guns. The 500 might have been "dressed up"by the shop to sell it quicker.

I dont know exactly which sights are installed but they are not mounted on the heat shield.

Forgive my lack of terminology, have been into glocks for a long time now, but this is the first time I am considering shotguns. The G2 is secured to the magazine tube with a bracket. It does not even have a remote switch. You have to turn the end to turn it on. If I get this one, I may just take it off and use the light as a daily carry.

I am in the bottom of the Philippines and these 2 guns are readily available to me without any travel and avoiding buying a gun sight unseen.

I am leaning towards the 590 mariner as I can put in the accessories myself, and thats quite fun too.

if you posted pics of both, I bet the majority of the audience here can point out the major pros and cons of each. The thing about modded guns is that unless you are familiar with the platform, the mods and what works well together, you're really buying a crapshoot... Some accessories are nice, even if you end up selling them to recover some of the cost....but first and foremost you want to buy a solid gun that is reliable and performs as it should, without all the gizmos...

Not having seen either of your guns, I would tend towards the 590 mariner finish. I prefer the 590 platform with it's solid mag tube and the mariner finish seems like it would perhaps suit your environment well since you are in the Phillipines (corrosion resistent against humidity, sea air/water)...