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Praetorian27
01-10-2011, 20:45
My friend actually bought one of those abandoned storage rental units like you see on the new TV shows...and low and behold, there were two guns in it! One was a .357 revolver that he is keeping...and the other is an Auto Ordnance Thompson 1911. It isn't full sized, but not sub compact either. I don't know the year or anything else about it. Are the Auto Ordnance's from the Thompson era total pieces of crap? I have read that they were not good, until Kahr started making them...and even then, it isn't great. What are your opinions?

Thanks!

skipsan
01-10-2011, 20:54
Don't know about AutoOrds, but given the circumstances, I'd run the serial number through the local P.D. to make sure the thing doesn't have a "history".

bac1023
01-11-2011, 02:51
The Thompson era is still on and the guns have improved quite a bit over the last 5-10 years.

Kahr owns them nowadays.

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 07:06
Don't know about AutoOrds, but given the circumstances, I'd run the serial number through the local P.D. to make sure the thing doesn't a "history".

He already did that, they are clear.

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 07:06
The Thompson era is still on and the guns have improved quite a bit over the last 5-10 years.

Kahr owns them nowadays.

If it is older than 10 years, would you stay away from it?

DRAGON1970
01-11-2011, 08:13
If it is older than 10 years, would you stay away from it?

Tell him not to worry about it and shoot it. If he has access to a smith, tell him to have it inspected if it will make him feel better. The 1911 design is one of the easiest to repair and customize and other than a damaged frame, slide or barrel, the parts are generally inexpensive and very easy to find.

Most people are afraid to even take one apart let alone fix anything. Really, they are not that complicated.

jrs93accord
01-11-2011, 08:20
I would not be afraid to shoot it. AO 1911s can be hit or miss depending on when they were made. I have one that is several years old and it shoots like a champ. Like someone suggested, have a competent gunsmith check it out if there is any doubt.

tango44
01-11-2011, 09:16
:needspics::needspics:

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 09:49
:needspics::needspics:

He's bringing it over in a little while...I'll see if I can get some pics

stukibuilt
01-11-2011, 11:58
Sounds like a Commander model. I would shoot it and enjoy it. You won't get a lot of cash for it, but if it runs well then you have a decent blaster. I agree that a gunsmith or someone very competent in 1911s should give it a once over before you shoot it just to be safe. If it's been abused or sitting for a long while with a dirty bore there may be a few issues..

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 13:11
Ok, here are some pics of his gun. It has a DeSantis shoulder holster that came with it. Also, he found in another box, the .22 conversion kit for it! It doesn't look like it has ever been used (the conversion kit I mean). I can't seem to find any info about the Auto Ordnance "General" which this apparently is. It has "General" on the side of the slide with two stars on either side. What do you guys think this is worth? What about the conversion kit?

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 13:11
More pics

TN.Frank
01-11-2011, 13:49
I know the Auto Ordnance Pitbull that I had was pretty much junk. They tried to copy the then new Colt Officer's ACP but without much success. The one and only time I shot the pistol the tab on the main spring retainer(thing that goes under the barrel bushing) broke and I shot it and the main spring out over the desert.

The one you have looks like a Commander size gun so the barrel bushing set up should be more standard so you'd not have the same problems. I guess if it looks in order and everything I'd put a few rounds down range to see how it was going to shoot then go from there as to weather you keep it or sell it.

.45Man
01-11-2011, 13:59
Looks like a comander size. A gunsmith I know used to use Auto-Ord. frames to build custom guns on. They worked well for him. That was about 10-15 years ago. Another friend of mine has a full size that has a few thousand rounds thru it with no major breakdowns. I think for the money they are a decent pistol. If I got one like he did I would have a good smith look it over and definitely keep it. But I'm a 1911 junkie!

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 14:11
I just stopped at the range quick and put two magazines through it on my way to the store. It had 1 fail to feed. No idea how old my ACP ammo is...but the rest of it worked fine. VERY light trigger...I wasn't expecting that!

jrs93accord
01-11-2011, 14:36
I just stopped at the range quick and put two magazines through it on my way to the store. It had 1 fail to feed. No idea how old my ACP ammo is...but the rest of it worked fine. VERY light trigger...I wasn't expecting that!

If he would like to sell it, it looks like a nice vintage piece that I would love to have it as part of my 1911 collection.

James
reaja@cox.net

Praetorian27
01-11-2011, 14:38
If you would like to sell it, it looks like a nice vintage piece that I would love to have it as part of my 1911 collection.

James
reaja@cox.net

It's my friends gun...I might buy it though. What do you think is a good price for the whole deal - .22 conversion and shoulder holster included?

phred119
01-11-2011, 14:40
I know the Auto Ordnance Pitbull that I had was pretty much junk. They tried to copy the then new Colt Officer's ACP but without much success. The one and only time I shot the pistol the tab on the main spring retainer(thing that goes under the barrel bushing) broke and I shot it and the main spring out over the desert.


Thats strange, all of my 1911's have the mainspring contained in the mainspring housing, part of the grip, no where near the barrel bushing. Do you have a pic of this model that you had?

jrs93accord
01-11-2011, 15:05
It's my friends gun...I might buy it though. What do you think is a good price for the whole deal - .22 conversion and shoulder holster included?

.22 conversion kit, about $125
DeSantis shoulder holster, about $30
Auto Ordnance, I was prepared to offer $300

I would really like to have this pistol, but I would understand if you bought it.

tango44
01-11-2011, 15:15
Does not look like a vintage model, did a search on google but the only pic that comes out with info is in french?
http://www.pooshka.com/gun-value.php?poo_model_id=799

http://www.armyrecognition.com/etats_unis_armes_l_g_res_et_lourdes/auto-ordnance_thompson_automatic_pistols_model_1911_auto_ordnance_thompson_pistol_weapons.html

TN.Frank
01-11-2011, 16:21
Thats strange, all of my 1911's have the mainspring contained in the mainspring housing, part of the grip, no where near the barrel bushing. Do you have a pic of this model that you had?

You know dang well which spring I'm talking about.:tongueout:

I guess it's the recoil spring then, it's the one that keeps the slide in battery until the gun is shot. I think of the main spring as the Hammer spring since it's function is to put tension on the hammer. Anyway, there's a little tab that breaks off and the entire spring/plunger group can fly out of the end of the slide once that happens. Totally different idea then Cold had in the Officer's ACP, which actually did work out ok.

bac1023
01-11-2011, 17:03
Thats strange, all of my 1911's have the mainspring contained in the mainspring housing, part of the grip, no where near the barrel bushing. Do you have a pic of this model that you had?

:rofl::rofl:

1911gobang
01-11-2011, 22:38
$455 for the whole shootin' match?!?!?
Hell yeah...
Either scrap the guts and build you a custom, or leave it as is for a plinker, for that price, you can't go wrong.....

FLIPPER 348
01-11-2011, 22:50
$455 for the whole shootin' match?!?!?




the package is worth more than that

Praetorian27
01-12-2011, 07:52
the package is worth more than that

He hasn't given me a quote yet as to what he wants for it...but he has hinted that it will be a lot less than $450. He paid $250 for the abandoned storage unit...just like you see on the TV show. Inside was a fairly new snowblower, a keg-erator, some real gold jewelry, this 1911 and a full sized S&W .357 revolver!

FLIPPER 348
01-12-2011, 08:05
Let him he can easily get $600+ for the set up.

t87supra
01-12-2011, 17:08
Yay, first post here. I've got a AO 1911, manufactured 2008. It suits me just fine. I've heard that the pre-Kahr owned AO's are pretty poor, are now ok. If it says Worcester, MA, then it was built by Kahr. Earlier guns will have XXXXX, NY on them. Can't remember the name of the town.

Hokie1911
01-12-2011, 17:14
Yay, first post here. I've got a AO 1911, manufactured 2008. It suits me just fine. I've heard that the pre-Kahr owned AO's are pretty poor, are now ok. If it says Worcester, MA, then it was built by Kahr. Earlier guns will have XXXXX, NY on them. Can't remember the name of the town.

:welcome:

jrs93accord
01-12-2011, 17:17
Yay, first post here. I've got a AO 1911, manufactured 2008. It suits me just fine. I've heard that the pre-Kahr owned AO's are pretty poor, are now ok. If it says Worcester, MA, then it was built by Kahr. Earlier guns will have XXXXX, NY on them. Can't remember the name of the town.

West Hurley, NY

Jason D
01-12-2011, 17:41
Probably 175-200 for the conversion kit, and 350-400 for the gun.

jrs93accord
01-12-2011, 19:21
Probably 175-200 for the conversion kit, and 350-400 for the gun.

I would not go over $350 for the pistol. One website I came across valued the General at $355 tops.

Jason D
01-12-2011, 19:47
I would not go over $350 for the pistol. One website I came across valued the General at $355 tops.

I wouldn't either.
I have rarely heard a good thing about those particular guns, especially the older ones. I would have to look one over and fire it before making a deal on it.

Praetorian27
02-10-2011, 11:37
Thanks for all the advice guys! I did end up buying it...$300 for everything! Killer deal since the brand new .22 conversion kit is around $200 by itself. So I got the 1911 for $100!

My wife is NOT going to be happy! :whistling:

bullw
02-10-2011, 15:49
I had that model of AO back in the early to mid 90's. It was the worst 1911 style pistol I ever bought. It never made it through a full mag.

Jason D
02-10-2011, 16:56
Congratulations.

May your pistol run faithfully and never run out of ammo.

Praetorian27
02-10-2011, 23:04
I had that model of AO back in the early to mid 90's. It was the worst 1911 style pistol I ever bought. It never made it through a full mag.

It's certainly no Kimber...but I've put a dozen or so mags through it so far without any problems.