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JokerOne
01-13-2011, 22:31
Just wondering if its legally possible to build an AK-47 from scratch with US/other parts like you can with an AR-15. I know at some point with the AR building process you need to register it as a gun. Not sure all the details, but I guess what I was wondering if you could do the same with an AK?

Oh, I also mean from pre-made parts. I dont' want to make my own receiver with a drill press, etc.

Glockdude1
01-13-2011, 23:05
Yes.

:cool:

tx787
01-14-2011, 10:01
Yes the biggest issue is that you don't have companies putting out lots of quality build parts for the AK like you do for the AR. Also, you have to ensure 922r compliance.

voodoomanx
01-14-2011, 13:25
theakforum.net is a huge group of AK lovers. Lots of info there.

rcbif
01-14-2011, 16:19
The main difference is that AR's are assembled and AK's are built. Building an ak even with a complete receiver is much harder than assembling an AR.

MisterPX
01-14-2011, 17:19
As long as you have the right tools for the job, I've found no difference myself.

jdavionic
01-14-2011, 17:25
Yes, but the best way is to build from a de-mil'd parts kit. In these kits, the receiver is flame cut. The amount of work in building one is similar to an AR in that it depends on how much you want to buy complete vs. make yourself. For example, do you want to buy a complete receiver, make it from an 80%, or make it from scratch.

The parts kits are pretty expensive now and finding one with an original barrel is quite a challenge since the BATF rules changed requiring the barrel to be cut too. However you can find kits with a US made replacement barrel.

JokerOne
01-14-2011, 17:39
Yes, but the best way is to build from a de-mil'd parts kit. In these kits, the receiver is flame cut. The amount of work in building one is similar to an AR in that it depends on how much you want to buy complete vs. make yourself. For example, do you want to buy a complete receiver, make it from an 80%, or make it from scratch.

The parts kits are pretty expensive now and finding one with an original barrel is quite a challenge since the BATF rules changed requiring the barrel to be cut too. However you can find kits with a US made replacement barrel.


I would want to build my completely from a kit. So a complete receiver would be preferable. Is it possible to build one from US parts without too much expense so I don't break any 922 rules.

thanks

CarlosC
01-14-2011, 17:58
Just a couple of things to point out....

The point at which the AK becomes a "gun" is already predetermined, just as with an AR-15. The actual gun is the receiver because it is the main serial numbered part. When you buy a stripped AK or AR receiver, you do the paperwork on the receiver. Everything else you can buy directly through the Internet, if you wish, without any sort of registration paperwork.

As for 922r, that law simply states the AK can't have more than 10 parts (from the list the BATFE says make up a total AK) that are foreign. You don't have to build an AK from 100% US parts.

jdavionic
01-14-2011, 18:22
I would want to build my completely from a kit. So a complete receiver would be preferable. Is it possible to build one from US parts without too much expense so I don't break any 922 rules.

thanks

The gentlemen in the previous post (Carlos) is probably the MOST knowledgable individual on AKs here. I believe he has already addressed part of your questions.

WRT buying a 100% receiver...you can buy them from a variety of sources. Here's one source
http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm

However it appears that you're looking for a complete AK kit that you get everything required to build an AK. I am not aware of any complete AK kits out there. Doesn't mean they don't exist...just I haven't seen them.

CBennett
01-14-2011, 20:05
Yes if you have the tools...so while you CAN do it its not as easy/simple as building a AR. By the time you invested in the tools and such you could probably buy one cheaper..

CarlosC
01-14-2011, 22:51
JokerOne, I get the feeling you may be trying to apply AR building to an AK. The AK and AR are just two vastly different animals when it comes to builds. The methodology to build each is vastly different as are the starting points. They share nothing in common when it comes to assembly.

Really, to build an AR from scratch, all you really need are some common hand tools, a barrel wrench, torque wrench, and a receiver clamp.

In the case of a simple, stamped AK, you could start out anywhere from a flat that will need a press, special tools to bend the receiver correctly, and welding equipment, to a ready receiver (bent, guides welded in place, and heat treated). From there, you'll still need a rivet tool, jig for the trigger guard rivets, press, and steel or iron scrap to hold the receiver while the barrel is being pressed in. Finally, while most ARs are ready to go after being built, AKs usually require having the receiver finished.

Aurora
01-15-2011, 07:44
Yes if you have the tools...so while you CAN do it its not as easy/simple as building a AR. By the time you invested in the tools and such you could probably buy one cheaper..

This is pretty much the way things are now for someone entering the hobby from scratch.

I generally only look for completed rifles these days,..... and be very picky what you buy and who your buy from. There are a lot of unqualified people cranking things out these days. Even established builders have built some bad examples in the last couple of years.

V.

JokerOne
01-15-2011, 18:42
This is pretty much the way things are now for someone entering the hobby from scratch.

I generally only look for completed rifles these days,..... and be very picky what you buy and who your buy from. There are a lot of unqualified people cranking things out these days. Even established builders have built some bad examples in the last couple of years.

V.

can you recommend a vendor for a good ak?

thanks

Glockdude1
01-15-2011, 18:43
can you recommend a vendor for a good ak?

thanks

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory90.aspx

:cool:

Nicoroshi
01-16-2011, 19:21
Don't know where you're at but around here people host build parties where all the tools needed along with some knowledgeable builders will be present for your use for about $40. This includes blast cabinets, and park tanks for finishing the completed rifle at the build party.
Might wish to see if that kind of thing happens in your area if you'd like to build one.
numbers matching Romanian 'G' kits with original barrels are still available at 'what a country', and gunthings.
These kits have chrome lined bores, and are in excellent condition. I helped a friend build his first yesterday.
Test fired today with '0' issues. :)

JokerOne
01-16-2011, 20:31
Don't know where you're at but around here people host build parties where all the tools needed along with some knowledgeable builders will be present for your use for about $40. This includes blast cabinets, and park tanks for finishing the completed rifle at the build party.
Might wish to see if that kind of thing happens in your area if you'd like to build one.
numbers matching Romanian 'G' kits with original barrels are still available at 'what a country', and gunthings.
These kits have chrome lined bores, and are in excellent condition. I helped a friend build his first yesterday.
Test fired today with '0' issues. :)

Build Parties. I love it! :cool:

Well, the women get baby showers. We need something too. :supergrin:

I'm going with an interarms AK from Atlantic arms. I think its just about what I want, and a good price.

thanks to all who helped.

JokerOne
01-16-2011, 20:32
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory90.aspx

:cool:


Thanks! Really!

I'm going with the Interarms AK. Its just what I was looking for. A few steps up from the Romanian ones but not expensive like the Arsenal models.

Angry Fist
01-16-2011, 20:44
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory90.aspx

:cool:
Thanks, bud! I like the Centurion pistol. Looks to be waayyyyyy better than a Draco.... :thumbsup:

Nicoroshi
01-17-2011, 00:36
Thanks, bud! I like the Centurion pistol. Looks to be waayyyyyy better than a Draco.... :thumbsup:

Interesting......Although I have a question.
How does one adjust for windage or elevation with a solid front sight post like that?
Might look cool but epic fail in the functional department IMHO.

voodoomanx
01-23-2011, 03:04
Interesting......Although I have a question.
How does one adjust for windage or elevation with a solid front sight post like that?
Might look cool but epic fail in the functional department IMHO.

Like any other pistol. Except this one has the traditional ak rear which makes it more adjustable than most handguns.

Aurora
01-26-2011, 08:09
can you recommend a vendor for a good ak?

thanks

Sorry, I didn't check this thread until today.

I don't really trust a firearm that I don't have personal knowledge of the person who built it. I guess you could say I'm a "gun snob", so to speak. I believe in quality.

My builders of choice are Piece of History Firearms and Rifle Dynamics.

If I was to buy one already built then I would go with Henderson Defense for a WASR (or anything else they offer), Atlantic Firearms or Krebs. All of these companies behind everything they sell so you get great support from them.

There are other companies that do fine work but these are the ones I'm directly familiar with.

V.

JokerOne
01-26-2011, 20:09
Sorry, I didn't check this thread until today.

I don't really trust a firearm that I don't have personal knowledge of the person who built it. I guess you could say I'm a "gun snob", so to speak. I believe in quality.

My builders of choice are Piece of History Firearms and Rifle Dynamics.

If I was to buy one already built then I would go with Henderson Defense for a WASR (or anything else they offer), Atlantic Firearms or Krebs. All of these companies behind everything they sell so you get great support from them.

There are other companies that do fine work but these are the ones I'm directly familiar with.

V.

thanks. I went with Atlantic. I'll post a review when I'm ready..

DaGroaner
01-26-2011, 22:15
Build Parties. I love it! :cool:

Well, the women get baby showers. We need something too. :supergrin:

I'm going with an interarms AK from Atlantic arms. I think its just about what I want, and a good price.

thanks to all who helped.

I'd like to have/attend a build party. I have several Romy G kits I'd like to assemble. I have access to a shop with welding equipment and a hydraulic press, a vertical mill and a small lathe. I also have a jig for bending flats. I'm in Vancouver, WA(Portland, OR metro). I'd really like to do at least one of them with someone who has done one before.

5.45 Shooter
01-28-2011, 18:00
Build Parties. I love it! :cool:

Well, the women get baby showers. We need something too. :supergrin:

I'm going with an interarms AK from Atlantic arms. I think its just about what I want, and a good price.

thanks to all who helped.

Welcome to the AK world.:wavey:
After shooting and getting to know your new AK, I'm sure you will want to know more about the build process.
With the right tools it is not as hard as it looks.
So here are a few videos on AK building.

http://www.youtube.com/user/BuildyourownAK?blend=2&ob=1#g/u

Who knows your next AK may be a build.:thumbsup: