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glock2740
01-16-2011, 17:13
For the kind of money they cost and the quality of the overall gun, why in the hell would they not use steel MSH's? I need or care about hand checkering. Machine checkering is just fine with me. But the plastic MSH thing is pretty ridiculous IMO. Had to vent. I'm in the process of changing out all my Kimber MSH's with EB 25lpi versions and changing out all ambi safties to single sides.

bac1023
01-16-2011, 17:16
They aren't alone.

Colt, STI, and some others use them as well.

The top of the line Kimbers use steel MSHs. Same thing with STI and Colt.











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glock2740
01-16-2011, 17:19
Is there a list that show's which one's have the plastic MSH's?

Rinspeed
01-16-2011, 17:20
They're not plastic they're polymer. :supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
01-16-2011, 17:25
They're not plastic they're polymer. :supergrin:

Naw,......everyone knows Kimber uses PIM parts!

Plastic Injected Moulding :rofl:

glock2740
01-16-2011, 17:27
Naw,......everyone knows Kimber uses PIM parts!

Plastic Injected Moulding :rofl:
:animlol:

rsxr22
01-16-2011, 17:50
I know their so called "custom shop" pistols dont, but not exactly sure which models do/dont. From what I understand, STI uses polymer on the Spartan in order to save weight for competition because they also incorporate the FLGR

glock2740
01-16-2011, 18:07
I know their so called "custom shop" pistols dont, but not exactly sure which models do/dont. From what I understand, STI uses polymer on the Spartan in order to save weight for competition because they also incorporate the FLGR
My Stainless Ultra Raptor had a plastic MSH.

Nickpisp
01-16-2011, 18:09
My Stainless Ultra Raptor had a plastic MSH.

Super Carry's are the only one's I've seen with metal. I assume that's because of the bobtail.

glock2740
01-16-2011, 18:30
Super Carry's are the only one's I've seen with metal. I assume that's because of the bobtail.
Make's sense.

MD357
01-16-2011, 18:32
Super Carry's are the only one's I've seen with metal. I assume that's because of the bobtail.

I guess they don't want to use a heat gun and soldering iron for blending and checkering. :supergrin:

Nickpisp
01-16-2011, 19:00
:rofl:I guess they don't want to use a heat gun and soldering iron for blending and checkering. :supergrin:

bac1023
01-16-2011, 19:25
They're not plastic they're polymer. :supergrin:

:rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
01-16-2011, 19:28
""Why does Kimber use plastic MSH's?""

To maximize profit from the customer that doesn't know any better.

bac1023
01-16-2011, 19:32
I know their so called "custom shop" pistols dont, but not exactly sure which models do/dont.


Just about all their custom shop guns use plastic, only the top models don't.

My Super Match has a steel MSH...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1752.jpg



...but my Pro CDP uses plastic.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2245.jpg




From what I understand, STI uses polymer on the Spartan in order to save weight for competition because they also incorporate the FLGR

Its not just the Spartan. The Trojan and many other STIs also use plastic MSHs.

bac1023
01-16-2011, 19:34
Is there a list that show's which one's have the plastic MSH's?

The Colt XSE and STI Trojan both use plastic.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3690.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3701.jpg

glock2740
01-16-2011, 19:34
""Why does Kimber use plastic MSH's?""

To maximize profit from the customer that doesn't know any better.
Well, I guess I'd rather have a plastic MSH on my Kimber, than a Fusion that didn't work. :tongueout:

glock2740
01-16-2011, 19:38
The Colt XSE and STI Trojan both use plastic.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3690.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_3701.jpg
What kind of MSH did you put on your Trojan? I had an EB put on my Kimber that I had hardchromed.

Greyhoundman
01-16-2011, 19:57
Well, I guess I'd rather have a plastic MSH on my Kimber, than a Fusion that didn't work. :tongueout:
:laughabove:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
01-16-2011, 20:04
""Why does Kimber use plastic MSH's?""

To maximize profit from the customer that doesn't know any better.

Don't white wash it - they do it because they are cheap bastards
:rofl:

rsxr22
01-16-2011, 20:07
Don't white wash it - they do it because they are cheap bastards
:rofl:

well said sir

jrs93accord
01-16-2011, 20:08
My Stainless Pro Carry II has a metal checkered MSH. I have not checked the other 13 Kimbers yet.

txleapd
01-16-2011, 20:13
What kind of MSH did you put on your Trojan? I had an EB put on my Kimber that I had hardchromed.

I currenty have an Ed Brown "scallop cut" MSH on my Trojan. It matches the "STIppling" on the front strap of the grip. I've been planning on putting my S&A magwell back on, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

I'm not a fan of plastic/polymer MSH, but I see why companies do it for cost saving. The MSH isn't a "load bearing" part, so a plastic/polymer MSH works just as well as a metal part, as well as costing and weighing less.

Nickpisp
01-16-2011, 20:13
My Stainless Pro Carry II has a metal checkered MSH. I have not checked the other 13 Kimbers yet.

My Stainless Pro Carry II is plastic. :dunno:

knedrgr
01-16-2011, 20:17
Don't white wash it - they do it because they are cheap bastards
:rofl:

:rofl:

guess Glock should charges less for their guns, since 1/2 of it is made from plastic...I mean polymer. :rofl:

glock2740
01-16-2011, 20:17
My Stainless Pro Carry II has a metal checkered MSH. I have not checked the other 13 Kimbers yet.
My 9 Kimbers all have plastic MSH's. Including both of my Stainless Pro Carry II's. :dunno:
Stainless Ultra Carry, Stainless Pro Carry II w/night sights, Stainless Pro Carry II w/o night sights, Stainless Custom Target II 9mm, Custom Target II, Stainless Ultra Raptor, Stainless Pro Raptor, Stainless Custom Raptor, CDP Pro II

bac1023
01-16-2011, 20:25
My Stainless Pro Carry II has a metal checkered MSH. I have not checked the other 13 Kimbers yet.

James, maybe someone changed it out before you picked it up.

Did you buy that one new?

bac1023
01-16-2011, 20:28
What kind of MSH did you put on your Trojan? I had an EB put on my Kimber that I had hardchromed.

Its the standard black plastic, Joe. The Trojan's chrome was a factory option and I never changed out the housing.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4463/0001686fc0.jpg

Hokie1911
01-16-2011, 20:32
Its the standard black plastic, Joe. The Trojan's chrome was a factory option and I never changed out the housing.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4463/0001686fc0.jpg

Never noticed that before.

bac1023
01-16-2011, 20:48
Never noticed that before.

That's a good thing. ;)

Some plastic MSHs are silver, actually.

glock2740
01-16-2011, 20:55
That's a good thing. ;)

Some plastic MSHs are silver, actually.
Yeah, all my Stainless framed Kimbers have silver MSH's. I had a Wilson 30lpi MSH with a Speed Chute put on my Kimber that I had hardchromed.

MD357
01-16-2011, 21:00
""Why does Kimber use plastic MSH's?""

To maximize profit from the customer that doesn't know any better.

Are they far off?? :whistling:














I keeeeed, I keeeeeed.

jrs93accord
01-17-2011, 07:42
James, maybe someone changed it out before you picked it up.

Did you buy that one new?

I bought it brand new a little over six years ago.

eljay45
01-17-2011, 08:05
Is there a list that show's which one's have the plastic MSH's?

Any Kimber that has a magwell or lanyard loop has a steel MSH, the rest are polymer.

The MSH isn't a high stress part so the polymer isn't a big deal, some prefer the polymer for the weight.

I switched the polymer MSH on my Pro Raptor soon after buying it.

ctfireman
01-17-2011, 09:56
Just think of it as a reason to customize!

m814
01-17-2011, 10:49
Are you sure the STI TROJAN doesn't use a Latex MSH?

Not a big deal, but I understand why people would want an aluminum or steel MSH. My Colt has a polymer silver one, but my Springfield has a metal MSH, albeit with the ILS.

Agent6-3/8
01-17-2011, 10:55
""Why does Kimber use plastic MSH's?""

To maximize profit from the customer that doesn't know any better.

+1


The same reason that use a sub compact recoil spring in their compact guns...:upeyes:

AZ Husker
01-17-2011, 12:03
Recoil absorption. You should be paying extra!

glock2740
01-17-2011, 12:36
Any Kimber that has a magwell or lanyard loop has a steel MSH, the rest are polymer.

The MSH isn't a high stress part so the polymer isn't a big deal, some prefer the polymer for the weight.

I switched the polymer MSH on my Pro Raptor soon after buying it.
Thanks. That makes sense I guess. It's still kinda sucks to have to buy an $80 MSH just to be able to have a metal MSH instead of a plastic one.

samuse
01-17-2011, 12:43
I put a plastic MSH in my Colt just because it was cheap and works just as well.

It's an arched, made by Colt.

HAIL CAESAR
01-17-2011, 15:20
Well, I guess I'd rather have a plastic MSH on my Kimber, than a Fusion that didn't work. :tongueout:

Touche........:rofl:

:wavey:

HAIL CAESAR
01-17-2011, 15:22
+1


The same reason that use a sub compact recoil spring in their compact guns...:upeyes:

I agree with that also.:wavey:

cole
01-17-2011, 15:55
For the kind of money they cost and the quality of the overall gun, why in the hell would they not use steel MSH's? ..s.

95% of consumers don't care. And, save $5 on a part (only 5% care about) on 100,000 guns and the math adds up. It's about money. Plus, it cost me $22 more of my money to get a Kimber steel MSH (bought used, but someone bought it new). Now, they have even more money from the 5%. Get it?

bac1023
01-17-2011, 18:09
I bought it brand new a little over six years ago.

It could be Kimber changed to plastic in the time. :dunno:

craig19
01-17-2011, 19:53
Don't white wash it - they do it because they are cheap bastards
:rofl:


:supergrin:

Gregg702
01-17-2011, 20:39
My Tactical Ultra II had a steel MSH, but both my current Kimber's are poly.

bravorigging
01-17-2011, 20:59
Please forgive my ignorance I am new to the 1911.So my question is what the hell are you guy's talking about?

AZ Husker
01-17-2011, 21:01
MSH: Main Spring Housing. The rear grip on a 1911.
Kimber uses modern NASA approved polymer, some guys want the old fashioned steel back!

bravorigging
01-17-2011, 21:05
MSH: Main Spring Housing. The rear grip on a 1911.
Kimber uses modern NASA approved polymer, some guys want the old fashioned steel back!

Thank you for clearing that up for me.My 2 cents for the money a Kimber cost should it not be of higher quality?

G36_Me
01-17-2011, 21:18
what the heck does MSH stand for?
I read every thread and didn't pick up what it means.

bravorigging
01-17-2011, 21:23
what the heck does MSH stand for?
I read every thread and didn't pick up what it means.

That is why I asked.

zhix
01-17-2011, 22:11
It irritates me enough that I spent $40 on a steel Colt OEM MSH to replace the plastic one on my Delta Elite, and $50 for an aluminum one for my Kimber Compact Stainless.
The ONLY complimentary thing I can say about Para is that when they give you a plastic MSH it is black instead of using a silver colored one to match stainless/aluminum, which irritates me even more.

GeorgiaRedfish
01-18-2011, 08:06
by the way for those asking MSH= mainspring housing. It is the part on the back of the frame of the 1911