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cfec2008
01-17-2011, 16:41
Just wondering if any of yall have ever built your own 1911. I am considering it, but I don't know if I can actually do all the needs to be done on it. I hear that I will spend more on it building it rather than just going out and buying one. That is not my major concern. I think it would be a great reward to actually build a gun and it go bang everytime and accurate. I will take as much info in as yall will give me. Looking for all kinds of advice, and how hard would it be.. barrel fitting...slide to frame fitting...bla bla...thanks for the help...hope to hear from a lot of you guys ...

Quack
01-17-2011, 16:56
i'm going to be building one in the next month or so.

the Wilson DVD's will give you some insight, as well as the BlindHogg website.
http://www.blindhogg.com/gunsmithing.html

Hokie1911
01-17-2011, 17:01
i'm going to be building one in the next month or so.


Your FrankenQuackenTaurus....or going Remsport/Caspian?

Quack
01-17-2011, 17:02
Les Wilson, Baer Combat

quantico
01-17-2011, 17:04
I built a norinco and it took about a year and a half. I fitted all new parts and did not use any parts except the frame slide and grip bushings. I learned a lot about how each part works and how they are supposed to feel and work with each other. I am very mechanical but learned a lot. It is rewarding and frustrating and expensive. You will destroy some expensive parts along the way. You will end up with a lot of respect for dane burns and mr baer and mr wilson and don.williams. it is not a quick process. It is not for everyone.

Cerebrus
01-17-2011, 17:18
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=272326

read that entire thread... that should answer a few questions you might have about building yer own...:wavey:

glock2740
01-17-2011, 18:20
I've always wanted to build one. Maybe if I ever get around to taking Bob Rodgers' class, then I will accomplish my goal of building one. :cool:

Greyhoundman
01-17-2011, 19:08
I have built a few of my own 1911's, 2 Caspian's, 2 Fusion kits, 1 Remsport, and a Frankencolt rebuild. I so far have opted for fitted frame and slide, only requiring lapping together. I also generally have used Kart EZ fit barrels, I don't know why it is called EZ because it really isn't. The only real big hurdle beyond that is learning how to do a good trigger job, the rest is mostly cosmetics and personal preference.

Oh and it is most certainly NOT cheaper to build it yourself.....build for personal enjoyment.

Quack
01-17-2011, 19:46
Wilson has kits with all the hard work/fitting already done, just have to do the small parts.

MXGoBig
01-17-2011, 20:19
I'm about 80-90% finished with my first... Caspian 10mm commander.
First rounds went through it today... no issues and I still have all my fingers!

proudpapa
01-17-2011, 22:19
I've built a few. One of them is currently my nightstand gun.

samuse
01-18-2011, 06:15
I have nevry built a 1911. Don't want to either.

thecableguy
01-18-2011, 07:16
I'm about 80-90% finished with my first... Caspian 10mm commander.
First rounds went through it today... no issues and I still have all my fingers!

:needspics:

Hokie1911
01-18-2011, 07:40
This is about the limit of my gun building ability...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5078307044_ec137bd280.jpg

Nickpisp
01-18-2011, 07:49
This is about the limit of my gun building ability...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5078307044_ec137bd280.jpg


Fusion?

GeorgiaRedfish
01-18-2011, 08:11
Fusion?
Taurus it falls apart alot faster when you shoot it.

cfec2008
01-18-2011, 16:33
appreciate the help guys. What is lapping?

Hokie1911
01-18-2011, 16:42
Taurus it falls apart alot faster when you shoot it.

I thought 1911s are for BBQs and photo opportunities only and if you actually planned on carrying or shooting your gun, you should own a Glock. :dunno:

GroundedCLK
01-18-2011, 17:05
I thought 1911s are for BBQs and photo opportunities only and if you actually planned on carrying or shooting your gun, you should own a Glock. :dunno:

Correct if you want to carry a gun that is dishwasher safe you should carry a Glock, otherwise carry a Sig.

GroundedCLK
01-18-2011, 17:06
Do any of you guys know where I can order a custom frame, with the specific features?

Quack
01-18-2011, 17:19
Remsport

Hokie1911
01-18-2011, 17:20
Remsport

This.....or Caspian.

MXGoBig
01-18-2011, 17:39
It's not finished yet and I had to borrow the grips off my delta...
What do y'all think of the "chain link" I milled on the msh & front strap? ... think it needs another row on the front?
JT

Quack
01-18-2011, 17:40
nice!!! needs another row.

cfec2008
01-18-2011, 18:37
I'm about 80-90% finished with my first... Caspian 10mm commander.
First rounds went through it today... no issues and I still have all my fingers!


Thats great! How hard was it? Did you do it all by hand or have machining tools to work with? Im just curious because I know nothing about this yet and im dying to try it, but I dont really have anyone to help me through it around where I live so...Im afraid I will lose my mind during the process haha.

thecableguy
01-18-2011, 18:49
It's not finished yet and I had to borrow the grips off my delta...
What do y'all think of the "chain link" I milled on the msh & front strap? ... think it needs another row on the front?
JT

Looks good. I think it's perfect the way it is.

GroundedCLK
01-18-2011, 19:31
Am I just missing it or does Remsport not have a website?

Quack
01-18-2011, 19:33
Am I just missing it or does Remsport not have a website?

Nope, no website.

glock2740
01-18-2011, 19:58
This is about the limit of my gun building ability...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5078307044_ec137bd280.jpg
Fusion kit? :rofl:

glock2740
01-18-2011, 20:00
Fusion?
Damnit! I gotta start reading these threads all the way through. :steamed:


:rofl:

Hokie1911
01-18-2011, 20:01
Fusion kit? :rofl:

Probably similar build quality. :whistling:

MXGoBig
01-18-2011, 20:46
Thats great! How hard was it? Did you do it all by hand or have machining tools to work with? Im just curious because I know nothing about this yet and im dying to try it, but I dont really have anyone to help me through it around where I live so...Im afraid I will lose my mind during the process haha.

I cheated some and had Caspian fit the slide/frame.
I have a pretty solid tool & die back ground and a local smith that lets me use the machime tools in his shop. Most of the work that is left is hand work... blending everything together.
The hardest part so far was fitting the Schuemann ramped barrel.
I'll post more pictures when it's finished.
JT

FLIPPER 348
01-18-2011, 22:06
I've built several and have two 1911 projects going on right now. With the OT situation going on at work I don't have much time but my Fusion alloy frame / Kimber .22 project will be done this weekend between Playoff games. The Colt/Essex project will be done the following weekend (unless the snow is fantastic)


The only downside to building your own 1911s is that you might not want to own any others. There is NOTHING like the satisfaction of shooting a 1911 you built yourself.

HAIL CAESAR
01-18-2011, 23:09
I also generally have used Kart EZ fit barrels, I don't know why it is called EZ because it really isn't.

:rofl:

I agree!! Glad I ain't the only one that thought so.:wavey:

cfec2008
01-19-2011, 15:52
I cheated some and had Caspian fit the slide/frame.
I have a pretty solid tool & die back ground and a local smith that lets me use the machime tools in his shop. Most of the work that is left is hand work... blending everything together.
The hardest part so far was fitting the Schuemann ramped barrel.
I'll post more pictures when it's finished.
JT


Can I fit a ramped barrel without having to actually use machining tools? And besides the ramped part is it hard to fit the barrel bushing?
What books or videos do you know that may can help a LOT? thanks for the help.

cfec2008
01-19-2011, 19:55
does anyone know the advantages of having a ramped barrel rather than having a non ramped barrel?

Greyhoundman
01-19-2011, 20:25
None in a .45, but ramped barrels are more common in 9, .40 and 10mm I ASSume it has to due with the case being supported better with a ramped barrel for the higher pressure rounds.

Danielrh123
01-19-2011, 21:19
wow i didn't know you could

FLIPPER 348
01-19-2011, 21:50
home built, vintage trigger & slide, a mix of Fusion, EGW, Sarco, Hogue and Ed Brown on an Essex 1911a1 frame. A flawless performer!

glock2740
01-19-2011, 22:14
home built, vintage trigger & slide, a mix of Fusion, EGW, Sarco, Hogue and Ed Brown on an Essex 1911a1 frame. A flawless performer!
Congrats Flip.

cfec2008
01-20-2011, 17:39
None in a .45, but ramped barrels are more common in 9, .40 and 10mm I ASSume it has to due with the case being supported better with a ramped barrel for the higher pressure rounds.


thanks for answering that question, but i have another one for you,,,,does the ramped barrel help feeding of hollow point rounds.? If it does I will only settle for the ramped..if not I may not worry with it. . Caspian makes frames that are ready to allow ramped barrels to be put it..im not sure if it will still require some fitting or not..thanks again grayhound

Greyhoundman
01-20-2011, 20:51
,does the ramped barrel help feeding of hollow point rounds.?

As long as you have good mags and the proper ramp geometry they will feed equally as well.

GlockRik
01-20-2011, 22:21
If you do it right, you will put as much or more into the first build of a 1911 as most semi custom guns go for. Several hundred dollars in tools if you don't already have them (files, calipers, jigs, stones, books, etc.).

Then there is the cost of buying over the oops. This is not too bad unless the mistake is one of the major parts, slide, frame or barrel.

I took the online course because I wanted to know every aspect of the 1911 and the cost of building was secondary. My first one was a little sloppy (5" 45). The second is a 9mm CCO size and I am very proud of it. But I did not save money on either.

If I knew what I know now, I would have started with a basic 1911 and upgraded. You can learn just as much and can always go back to original parts if needed.

Anyway, that is JMO,
Rik

BuckyP
01-21-2011, 05:58
This past year I took a try at it. Had a friend help, also an amateur smith. The reason I did it was over the years I accumulated a bunch of parts (already had a slide off a different gun, a barrel I had won at a match).

Here is the finished product:
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ssstinp3a.jpg

It is a .40 and makes for a fantastic Limited-10 gun using Tripps 10 round 10mm mags (the gun is in .40, but I load to 10mm length). I wish I would have tried checkering the front strap before the NP3 treatment, but I was in "quit while I was ahead" mindset. Instead, for traction I added "Shredder Grips" and put a bigger magwell for better reloads (also a part I had won and had been sitting in the parts bin for years - hence the red).

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/raf40a.jpg


Then there is the cost of buying over the oops. This is not too bad unless the mistake is one of the major parts, slide, frame or barrel.


One thing I did was muck up the feet on the barrel. Fortunately my friend could weld, so we were able to fix that. Unfortunately, the finished results look like crap (but you only see it when it's apart). I've considered fitting a new one, but the gun is so accurate I'm inclined to leave it as be. Especially since the goal of the project was to buy as little as possible.

Things I had to buy that wasn't laying around:
Frame
Safety (one I had didn't fit)
Trigger (just the trigger, other parts were from my Open gun)
Grips
NP3 Treatment
Plunger tube

I've got a few K through it already and a couple local L10 wins. With the cost of bullets, it's cheaper than shooting .45.

FLIPPER 348
01-21-2011, 08:00
Cost savings is not the point when it comes to building your own 1911.

cfec2008
01-21-2011, 22:45
Well today I bought my 1st 1911. I finally came to what I thought was a logical conclusion to buy one and actually learn the parts, and how every part works to do its specific job before I try to build one while not knowing hardly anything about the 1911 platform. Maybe later I will try to build my own, but for now I will just stick with my Springfield 1911 A1 Loaded Stainless Steel .45. If I knew how to post pics I would show it to yall so if someone wants to give me the quick rundown on how to do that I will post it. I appreciate everyones help and answering my questions. I ran about 100 rounds through it when I got home with it. I have to say it was much easier to hold a good group with this gun than with my sigs or glocks. Did not have any stove pipes. It ran great with fmj federal from walmart. But I loaded a full seven round mag with Speer hollow points and when I released the slide the hollow point stopped on the frame ramp. I cleard the round after dropping the mag, reloaded the same round in the same mag and it did it two more times. I then put the same round in a different mag and it went to full battery and had no more problems at all. I know that mags can cause problems, but that mag only gave me that one problem even with more hollow points in it. So I dont really know why it was doing that..any suggestions on what caused that to happen?