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crazyasian1
01-22-2011, 17:01
I'm asking because my knowledge of 1911 etiquette amounts to about zero... So I was at the range yesterday and saw a nice Nighthawk in the rental counter so never having handled a 1911 before, I asked to get my hands around it. I'm checking it out getting a feel for it, then I pull the slide release and the slide shoots home, the guy jumps and says WHOAH, whoah whoah... you cant let a 1911 slide shoot home unless there's a magazine in!! Ummm.. ok, sorry... Thoughts?

drc767
01-22-2011, 17:09
I'm asking because my knowledge of 1911 etiquette amounts to about zero... So I was at the range yesterday and saw a nice Nighthawk in the rental counter so never having handled a 1911 before, I asked to get my hands around it. I'm checking it out getting a feel for it, then I pull the slide release and the slide shoots home, the guy jumps and says WHOAH, whoah whoah... you cant let a 1911 slide shoot home unless there's a magazine in!! Ummm.. ok, sorry... Thoughts?

Yes.....a major faux pas!! Don't drop the slide on an empty chamber on a 1911. Having a mag in it or not is not the issue...the empty chamber is. Accidents happen, but don't make a habit of it.....especially if the gun is not yours.

Rinspeed
01-22-2011, 17:12
Doing it on your own 1911 is one thing doing it on someone elses is just plain stupid, sorry. It's kind of like slamming your car door shut very hard. Once in a while won't cause any problems but it's just not a good idea.

rsxr22
01-22-2011, 17:14
I agree with the above comments. The only problem is for the life of me, what issues does this cause? Its been so long since Ive heard why.... Its just been standard practice for a number of years not to do it.

drc767
01-22-2011, 17:16
I agree with the above comments. The only problem is for the life of me, what issues does this cause? Its been so long since Ive heard why.... Its just been standard practice for a number of years not to do it.


It can hurt the extractor, trigger job and breach face for starters...

guymontag
01-22-2011, 17:24
"The jarring of the slide slamming down on an empty chamber can cause the hammer to follow and the sear nose to crash into the hammer hooks. Your trigger job will last longer if you ease the slide down. Further, the lower lugs on a match fit barrel take a lot of impact when they contact the slide stop, and without the buffering effect of the round feeding into the chamber, you increase wear on your barrel by slamming the slide on an empty chamber. It's not the end of the world if the slide drops on an empty chamber, but it's not a good habit to develop either. It is the sign of an amateur 1911 handler."

http://10-8performance.com/1911_Users_Guide.html

Kegs
01-22-2011, 17:35
Those are nice - and I mean NIIIIICCE guns. It would be better to ask how to handle it if you are not familiar with it.

carguy2244
01-22-2011, 20:36
They're very delicate works of art...velvet gloves are recommended.

JoshuaC
01-22-2011, 20:41
It's amazing how long the 1911 has survived with this glaring "flaw".

MD357
01-22-2011, 20:47
Where's Phonecop when you need him?

CitizenOfDreams
01-22-2011, 21:16
It's amazing how long the 1911 has survived with this glaring "flaw".

The US Army M1911:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/wolf.jpg



The 1911 after 100 years of selective breeding:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/chihuahua.jpg

Dalton Wayne
01-22-2011, 21:24
The US Army M1911:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/wolf.jpg



The 1911 after 100 years of selective breeding:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/chihuahua.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

CAcop
01-22-2011, 21:31
From what I understand this became a faux pas because when people started pushing the 1911 from a service gun to a tuned gun it became more fragile or less tolerant of service style treatment. It could also be total bull**** from gunsmiths back in the day that pushed the 1911 design too far and needed an excuse for why things weren't working on expensive guns.

Now it applies to every 1911.

It reminds me of how people love to talk up how great Glock's Tennifer finish is and that Glock don't rust. Yes it is a very nice protective coating however they do rust. Some of my coworkers have proved that. Yet everybody will still talk like there are magic fairies embedded into the steel of a Glock keeping rust away.

GeorgiaRedfish
01-22-2011, 21:55
If i had something of someone's that cost 2k I would ask permission to touch and than be very gently.

JoshuaC
01-22-2011, 22:43
The US Army M1911:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/wolf.jpg



The 1911 after 100 years of selective breeding:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/chihuahua.jpg


:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
01-22-2011, 22:55
It's amazing how long the 1911 has survived with this glaring "flaw".



It's only an issue to the 'pretty 1911' crowd.

kirgi08
01-22-2011, 23:46
Must you.'08. :upeyes:


I'd have thought that a NH would never be a "rental". :wow:

Ruggles
01-22-2011, 23:47
As posted it is not something doing a few times will cause any damage but not something you would want to do repeatably for giggles. I imagine the life of a rental gun in pretty rough so I doubt you were the 1st to do it. :wavey:

A well built 1911 is plenty tough enough to stand a little abuse :)

Cobra64
01-23-2011, 03:41
Here are some links on the subject:


Hilton Yam

http://www.10-8performance.com/1911_Users_Guide.html





Springfield Armory - (Website, page 20 of the 1911 Manual)

http://www.springfield-armory.com/download.php?asset=1911man5.pdf





Heirloom Precision

http://www.heirloomprecision.com/info/faq.shtml





Artisans Arms

http://artisanarms.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/dropping-the-slide-on-an-empty-chamber/

PlayboyPenguin
01-23-2011, 03:49
I'm asking because my knowledge of 1911 etiquette amounts to about zero... So I was at the range yesterday and saw a nice Nighthawk in the rental counter so never having handled a 1911 before, I asked to get my hands around it. I'm checking it out getting a feel for it, then I pull the slide release and the slide shoots home, the guy jumps and says WHOAH, whoah whoah... you cant let a 1911 slide shoot home unless there's a magazine in!! Ummm.. ok, sorry... Thoughts?
Yeah, you did step in it a little. Let's face it though...this is a rental gun; not a family heirloom. I am sure the gun gets a lot worse treatment when it is rented. Plus, it is not like you did it just to be a jerk. You made a small mistake. Nothing to lose any sleep over. :)

Thorazine
01-23-2011, 04:43
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/info/faq.shtml

Is letting the slide slam home on an empty chamber bad for my pistol?

Basically, yes it is. While an occasional or accidental occurrence may not damage ones pistol the repeated act of the slide slamming closed on an empty chamber can have an adverse effect on the pistol's hammer and sear geometry as well as cause battering between the frame, slide stop, and barrel feet. Whenever possible ease the slide home when not chambering a round.

So if the battering of slamming the slide home on an empty chamber over time can damage the gun wouldn't you think that the firearm would break in half the time firing live ammunition? I would think the stress the gun is under would be a lot greater when firing eh?

Rinspeed
01-23-2011, 06:57
It's only an issue to the over 70 IQ crowd.






Fixed it for you. :wavey:

drc767
01-23-2011, 06:57
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/info/faq.shtml



So if the battering of slamming the slide home on an empty chamber over time can damage the gun wouldn't you think that the firearm would break in half the time firing live ammunition? I would think the stress the gun is under would be a lot greater when firing eh?

But when you are firing, there is a brass cushion between everything slamming against each other.

chakup
01-23-2011, 10:04
There was a very long thread on this on 1911forum recently. Ill search but lots of good details given to root out if gunsmith myth or truth.

crazyasian1
01-23-2011, 10:18
ok, I get it, polarizing question... Well thanks for the education, I'll be sure to ask before I do next time. I'm just starting to get into 1911's, so I'm doing as much research as I can before I jump.

Like I said, it was a rental, and it looked like it, so it's not like I took someone's family heirloom and jacked around with it without permission.

Lesson learned, I'll try not to look like such a noob next time!

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:32
They're very delicate works of art...velvet gloves are recommended.

:rofl:

Quack
01-23-2011, 10:32
But when you are firing, there is a brass cushion between everything slamming against each other.

you also have the added resistance of the slide stripping the round from the magazine and chambering the round, which will reduce the slide velocity vs. dropping the slide on an empty chamber.

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:33
It's only an issue to the 'pretty 1911' crowd.

Was is that, FLIPPER?

Its not a good idea.

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:34
Where's Phonecop when you need him?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I was thinking the same thing!!!! :supergrin:

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:36
It's amazing how long the 1911 has survived with this glaring "flaw".

Its not a flaw.

The old USGI 1911s weren't as fine tuned, as in the trigger, extractor, fitting, etc. While slamming the slide home on them isn't a good idea either, there's less to be damaged or thrown off.

FLIPPER 348
01-23-2011, 10:36
it's only a concern for high end 1911s. A serviceable mil spec 1911 will have no issues with it. It's a military sidearm after al (for some) l, not a piece of jewelry.

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:39
it's only a concern for high end 1911s. A serviceable mil spec 1911 will have no issues with it. It's a military sidearm after al (for some) l, not a piece of jewelry.

I just mentioned that, actually.

Its not as big a deal, but its still not good for them.

The bigger question is why do it if you don't have to? I don't do it on any of my guns, from Glocks to 1911s.

DAT85
01-23-2011, 10:44
I'm asking because my knowledge of 1911 etiquette amounts to about zero... So I was at the range yesterday and saw a nice Nighthawk in the rental counter so never having handled a 1911 before, I asked to get my hands around it. I'm checking it out getting a feel for it, then I pull the slide release and the slide shoots home, the guy jumps and says WHOAH, whoah whoah... you cant let a 1911 slide shoot home unless there's a magazine in!! Ummm.. ok, sorry... Thoughts?

So,when you look at a revolver,do you slam the cylinder shut just like the TV detectives do?:upeyes:

This belongs in a thread about proper fireams handling as well as respect for other people's property,range gun or not.

DAT85

jakebrake
01-23-2011, 10:47
is it good for it? no, not really. did you get your pee pee smacked over it? yup. should it have been a really big deal for the renter to say "i'd rather you don't do that."? yup. it's a .45, not a baby carriage. it, like all mechanical items needs a degree of maintainance....hey rental man...get over it.

dreis454
01-23-2011, 11:02
Just get a Glock & get rid of the non slamming the slide home sissy pistol!:supergrin::whistling:

Cobra64
01-23-2011, 11:07
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/info/faq.shtml



So if the battering of slamming the slide home on an empty chamber over time can damage the gun wouldn't you think that the firearm would break in half the time firing live ammunition? I would think the stress the gun is under would be a lot greater when firing eh?

Try this:

Drop the slide on with a loaded mag.
Drop the slide on an empty round.
Notice a difference?
Think through the process.

stukibuilt
01-23-2011, 11:16
The US Army M1911:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/wolf.jpg



The 1911 after 100 years of selective breeding:
http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/chihuahua.jpg

:rofl:

CAcop
01-23-2011, 11:39
I carry one for duty. It is not a finely tuned gun. There are times when we train we have to clear our guns. I drop the slide on an empty chamber. Why? Because if it can't handle that maybe a couple times a year then it probably isn't a suitable duty gun.

I do have a finely tuned gun that I used to carry off duty. I don't and won't drop the slide on an empty chamber on that one. I also won't carry it on duty. And I really don't carry it off duty either.

bac1023
01-23-2011, 11:45
So,when you look at a revolver,do you slam the cylinder shut just like the TV detectives do?:upeyes:

This belongs in a thread about proper fireams handling as well as respect for other people's property,range gun or not.

DAT85
:agree:

bac1023
01-23-2011, 11:47
is it good for it? no, not really. did you get your pee pee smacked over it? yup. should it have been a really big deal for the renter to say "i'd rather you don't do that."? yup. it's a .45, not a baby carriage. it, like all mechanical items needs a degree of maintainance....hey rental man...get over it.

Yeah, but when you handle a gun that isn't yours, I would think you should use more care.

packsaddle
01-23-2011, 12:18
I carry one for duty. It is not a finely tuned gun. There are times when we train we have to clear our guns. I drop the slide on an empty chamber. Why? Because if it can't handle that maybe a couple times a year then it probably isn't a suitable duty gun.

Amen.

I carry a 1911 as a duty gun (DE1911G).

We were trained in the academy to clear jams during high stress situations and it ain't pretty (lots of banging and hard racking).

If it's going to fail, I want it to fail at the range and not in some dark alley at 2am.

Also took mine to Alex Hamilton for some "hard use" tuning.

My DE1911G will never be found in a glass case or in a gun safe so it gets used the way it was designed (by Israelis) to be used: harshly.

I trust my life with this gun and so far I am very impressed with it.

jakebrake
01-23-2011, 12:26
Yeah, but when you handle a gun that isn't yours, I would think you should use more care.


i do, but then, i know about it. the o.p. is stating that he was uninformed, became informed, and was (by the sounds of it) getting a second opinion. have i done it on my own stuff? yeah, but i don't make a habit of it regardless of make, model, etc. and that was a long time ago.

you have to figure, someone taught us about it. this is how he was educated.