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stashu
01-23-2011, 08:26
I am waiting for my dealer to get me another Glock 21sf. He got one in with the ambi release and tactical rail but I refused it, he was somewhat irked but understood. The serial number NTC*** says Sept 2009 so it was an older but NEW gun.
Anyway while waiting for my 21SF, my mind is wandering.:whistling: Been looking at 1911ís instead of the 21sf. The gun is for home defense and range use only, not to carry. I have been eyeing a Colt 1911 Gold Cup SS Trophy for a little over $1k.
I do have a CZ97B Glossy but it is a safe queen, I am afraid to scratch it up. Yes I am one of those who treasure and hates scratches and marks on their guns. The CZ is glossy blue and will scratch, the Glock well is a Glock and the frame is basically scratch proof, and the slide is easily replaced or refinished. The Colt is SS and any marks could be polished out, unlike a blued gun.
What do you boys think?

G27RR
01-23-2011, 08:56
I think for your HD role and for keeping it looking good without any work I would go with the 21SF. When I had one, it was a good range gun, too.

bac1023
01-23-2011, 09:34
The Gold Cup Trophy is outstanding.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2316.jpg

Jim S.
01-23-2011, 09:38
The Gold Cup is a top of the line gun, but...
for home defense or just having fun the 21 SF is cheaper, holds more ammo, and shoots as well as most of us can shoot.
Save the extra dollars for range time and some good home defense ammunition.

grecco
01-23-2011, 09:43
Get the colt,
Glocks are a dime a dozen.

You could always get the glock afterwards.

brisk21
01-23-2011, 10:07
Either one will work for your purposes. You will probably have more fun with the 1911 at the range though. 1911s are really fun to shoot.

James Dean
01-23-2011, 10:40
I would get the Colt and wait for the Gen4 to come out on the G21

bac1023
01-23-2011, 10:40
1911s are really fun to shoot.

:banana:

:supergrin:

carguy2244
01-23-2011, 18:24
For defense, Glock, definitely.

Hokie1911
01-23-2011, 18:27
For defense, Glock, definitely.

Yeah, a .45 1911 is a terrible idea for a defensive pistol. :shakehead:

ajstrider
01-23-2011, 18:29
The 1911 is one beautiful piece of machinery, although for just home defense and range use, I would probably opt for the G21 SF, if you can only get one gun. It is plenty fun and accurate, and has rails for attaching a flashlight which I highly recommend for home defense use. You have to identify your target. I have no regrets for spending 250 bucks on my Surefire X200A flashlight for home defense G17. I believe that most would agree to the fact the Glock requires less maintenance and lends itself better to a nightstand gun.

Mr. Gekko
01-23-2011, 18:46
I believe that most would agree to the fact the Glock requires less maintenance and lends itself better to a nightstand gun.

I will agree somewhat on the maintenace issue, but disagree completely on the latter point.

G36_Me
01-23-2011, 19:06
Here is what I think.
You need to separate your love for the art of the gun and the scratches from the utility of the firearm. What I mean by this is buy your shooters and buy your treasures if you must.

I only have two treasures, the rest are shooters. The shooters get used and used and used and as a consequence have some character to them (you know, the leather's not damaged line of bull). I like to shoot more than collect.

Cerebrus
01-23-2011, 20:26
Either choice is a crap-shoot.. I would go with a Kimber...:rofl:

R0CKETMAN
01-23-2011, 20:31
I own three colt 1911's and multiple Glocks to include a 21sf.

A 21sf with a surefire x300 rest at my bedside. I feel it will buy me the time I need to fight my way to my nearby AR...heaven forbid

GVFlyer
01-23-2011, 20:33
Buy both.

;)

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/xm813/ColtGoldCup.jpg?t=1295835978

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/xm813/G21SFG17G21.jpg?t=1295836328

jrs93accord
01-23-2011, 20:53
The Gold Cup Trophy is outstanding.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2316.jpg

I second the motion.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/005-1.jpg

G27RR
01-24-2011, 07:07
Here is what I think.
You need to separate your love for the art of the gun and the scratches from the utility of the firearm. What I mean by this is buy your shooters and buy your treasures if you must.

I only have two treasures, the rest are shooters. The shooters get used and used and used and as a consequence have some character to them (you know, the leather's not damaged line of bull). I like to shoot more than collect.

I agree, good post. If the OP can do that, I would change my recommendation to a 1911.

polizei1
01-24-2011, 14:56
Yeah, a .45 1911 is a terrible idea for a defensive pistol. :shakehead:

Yea I don't get it...there are still special operations units in the military, police, and SWAT teams using the 1911, but it must be inferior for defense purposes. :dunno:

Hokie1911
01-24-2011, 15:00
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0906/innovation-1911-hand-gun-handgun-browning-45-demotivational-poster-1245249832.jpg

polizei1
01-24-2011, 15:26
Hokie, don't feed the trolls! :rofl:

I'm off to go crayon my EMP now.

bellestarr
01-24-2011, 15:40
:-) 1911 luvs itEither one will work for your purposes. You will probably have more fun with the 1911 at the range though. 1911s are really fun to shoot.

Hokie1911
01-24-2011, 15:43
It hasn't been really improved up in 100 years.........because it hasn't needed it. Unlike "perfection" being enhanced 4 times in a 1/4 of that time. :dunno:

Nickpisp
01-24-2011, 15:51
It hasn't been really improved up in 100 years.........because it hasn't needed it. Unlike "perfection" being enhanced 4 times in a 1/4 of that time. :dunno:

Technically, it did have some upgrades......in 1924.:rofl:

Jim S.
01-24-2011, 20:15
It hasn't been really improved up in 100 years.........because it hasn't needed it. Unlike "perfection" being enhanced 4 times in a 1/4 of that time. :dunno:

Boy, that says a lot doesn't it?
Perfection... yeah, if you say so.
Glocks are good basic combat side arms. But they ain't perfect.
I guess when your company makes something it is up to you how you sell it.
New and improved...
Industrial strength...
Perfection...

glock2740
01-24-2011, 20:43
The Gold Cup is a top of the line gun, but...
for home defense or just having fun the 21 SF is cheaper, holds more ammo, and shoots as well as most of us can shoot.
Save the extra dollars for range time and some good home defense ammunition.

Get the colt,
Glocks are a dime a dozen.

You could always get the glock afterwards.
I agree with both of you. :cool:

Cobra64
01-25-2011, 03:50
Get the colt,
Glocks are a dime a dozen.

You could always get the glock afterwards.


:agree:

Cobra64
01-25-2011, 04:15
1911s are really fun to shoot.

Shooting a 1911 at the end of a training session is like enjoying a snifter of Crown Royal and a fine cigar.

http://hard10mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/a_seagrams_crown_royal.jpghttp://www.apartmany-basta.cz/images/cigars.jpg








Vs.








Shootin' a Glock...
http://www.recyclethis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/drink_can250.jpg




:rofl:

ctfireman
01-25-2011, 20:17
You can't beat a colt!

anyplainjoe
01-25-2011, 20:34
Get the Colt new, get the G21 used for a song.

stashu
01-30-2011, 12:08
Boys I'm back---Original Poster.

It seems my dealer is having a hard time finding me a glock 21sf, he found one and ordered it only to find it has the ambi-mag release and tactical rail, which I hear has issues. So while I am waiting I can't help but keep looking at the Colt Gold Cup 5070x AGAIN!. My dealer said I can have it for 970.00.

Questions:
Is 5070x the ONLY part number for this Colt Gold Cup Trophy or is there variations?
Are the parts avail for Colts as easy available as the Glocks--not a joke :-
Can I work on the Colt 5070x as EASY as the Glock 21sf?
Is the Colt warranty any good?
If any issues will Colt send me the part to fix?
How long does Colt take to repair---"history needed"
What to check for when picking up a NEW Colt 1911 5070x?
For the money-1K-- " is there a more accurate model" other brands welcomed.

Any out of the box issues, other than cleaning? I just want to go out and Shoot targets

Sorry many question but I do not want any surprises.

Thanks as always for your help!

PS---I think I might be over "keeping my gun anal clean and scratch free syndrome" problem :-)

Stash

woodrowNC
01-30-2011, 13:53
Boys I'm back---Original Poster.

It seems my dealer is having a hard time finding me a glock 21sf, he found one and ordered it only to find it has the ambi-mag release and tactical rail, which I hear has issues. So while I am waiting I can't help but keep looking at the Colt Gold Cup 5070x AGAIN!. My dealer said I can have it for 970.00.

Questions:
Is 5070x the ONLY part number for this Colt Gold Cup Trophy or is there variations?
Are the parts avail for Colts as easy available as the Glocks--not a joke :-
Can I work on the Colt 5070x as EASY as the Glock 21sf?
Is the Colt warranty any good?
If any issues will Colt send me the part to fix?
How long does Colt take to repair---"history needed"
What to check for when picking up a NEW Colt 1911 5070x?
For the money-1K-- " is there a more accurate model" other brands welcomed.

Any out of the box issues, other than cleaning? I just want to go out and Shoot targets

Sorry many question but I do not want any surprises.

Thanks as always for your help!

PS---I think I might be over "keeping my gun anal clean and scratch free syndrome" problem :-)

Stash

stash
if you stand at the firing line with 5 guys shooting 21's you're not gonna notice their glocks. but they'll be staring at your gold cup. with envy.

den888
01-30-2011, 23:27
I vote for the Colt.

Dr. Strangelove
01-31-2011, 08:43
Boys I'm back---Original Poster.

It seems my dealer is having a hard time finding me a glock 21sf, he found one and ordered it only to find it has the ambi-mag release and tactical rail, which I hear has issues. So while I am waiting I can't help but keep looking at the Colt Gold Cup 5070x AGAIN!. My dealer said I can have it for 970.00.

Questions:
Is 5070x the ONLY part number for this Colt Gold Cup Trophy or is there variations?
Not sure on that one. Someone with more Colt knowledge will have to chime in here.

Are the parts avail for Colts as easy available as the Glocks--not a joke :-
Yes. There is a boat load of parts to choose from. I would say possibly more than Glock by the simple virtue of everyone having a different take on what a a 1911 should be. Just go to Brownells or something and search all the 1911 parts. It's a staggering selection.

Here's a quick link:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=10002/avs%7CMake_3=1911/Products/Handgun_Parts

Can I work on the Colt 5070x as EASY as the Glock 21sf? In short: No. The 1911 is a more complicated design. Take down takes longer, and parts might be harder to fit. Again, the patent is up on the 1911 design, and everyone and their mother has a different take on how to make a good one. If you want to put in a different safety, it might take some gun smithing to get it to fit properly.

Is the Colt warranty any good?
If any issues will Colt send me the part to fix?

I can't speak on Colt's warranty work, though I can tell you their reputation on the internet isn't as good as some of the others. Manufacturers like Smith and Wesson and particularly Springfield, will (from first hand experience) go out of their way to make you happy. If this is a major point for you, try looking at the SW1911 or a Springfield model. Both would be excellent choices.

How long does Colt take to repair---"history needed"

This question is too vague to answer. Different repairs take different amounts of time. For my repairs with S&W (on an M&P 45) and Springfield it took about 3-4 weeks. I shipped them to their factories though.

What to check for when picking up a NEW Colt 1911 5070x?

Scratches, poor fitment of parts, the usual stuff. There is no magic trick I know of to tell the 1 in 1,000 lemons from the good pistols. (That 1/1,000 figure is something I pulled out of the air. In every business, every once in a while a bad product sneaks through. Guns are no different.) It's mostly just the luck of the draw. I don't think you would be any more or less likely to get a lemon from Colt than you would with Glock. It just happens sometimes.


For the money-1K-- " is there a more accurate model" other brands welcomed.

There are more accurate models of 1911, but I think the differences between the $1,000 guns is negligible.

I have a Springfield Loaded model and love it. Though the consensus on the board at the moment is to buy a Range Officer over the Loaded because the fit and finish is apparently a little better. There is plenty of info on the differences between models on here, do a search if you are interested, and if you have any more questions beyond that the people here will help.

Honestly, if Bac tells you that you are looking at an outstanding pistol, take his word for it. He owns and has handled more 1911s than most of us care to think about. Listen to his advice, he knows what he is talking about.

Any out of the box issues, other than cleaning?
Not much really. Watch a few YouTube videos on cleaning and disassembly if you decide to get one.

I just want to go out and Shoot targets
It will do that with gusto. The 1911 design has a sort of charisma and character to it that you may not get out of a more modern design. That's part of the reason why its developed such a cult following.

*Tired Glock/1911 metaphor alert!*
A Glock is like a Budweiser, well made and it will get the job done. 1911s are like craft beers, for those of us who want a little more out of life than just getting wasted.

Wow, this turned into a long post.

I think you subconsciously wanted us to convince you to get the Colt. Otherwise you might have asked this question in one of the more Glock loving sections of the forum. But hey, who can blame you... Look at how good it looks.

http://media.gunup.com/handgun_images/images/O5070X/O5070X_1.jpg

woodrowNC
01-31-2011, 09:09
it is beautiful. no question. and gets the same job done.

stashu
02-01-2011, 04:59
Thanks to all for taking the time to answer my questions.

Stash

stashu
02-11-2011, 18:03
I like those grips on the Gold Cup where did you get them? Red Cobobo?

thanks!

Stash

AZ Husker
02-11-2011, 20:26
Everyone needs at least one 1911 for the sheer shooting pleasure you can't get out of anything else. The Gold Cup is one of the best stock guns made. Treat yourself and then save up for that G21SF if you still want it.

Ruggles
02-11-2011, 21:03
1. Not gonna read any replies on post on this thread other than the title. Posting a question of 1911 (of any kind) or a Glock? ......I think I know the outcome :rofl:

2. Colt

stashu
02-12-2011, 06:22
My dealer just called me last night, he said he found me a Colt Gold Cup, and ordered it!!..I'm a happy camper!!!!
Now a question I always want to ask but was afraid to ask:
I know there are many 1911 models out there but what parts are interchangeable? Providing a Full size 1911 such as the Gold cup?
For example: if I see grips for a 1911 advertised I know they will fit the Gold cup, BUT what about anything else? I guess I am asking if there is a "RULE" to follow???
No I do not plan on changing anything yet, except grips for now.

When picking up my Gold Cup is there anything major to look for? I will look for marks, scratches, etc, but anything else?==I know a poster answered this already but i guess I'm paranoid about missing something.

Do you guys have a favorite vendor to buy parts from for your Colt?

Thanks!!
PS-YES I will post pics!!! I'm estatic!!!

Stash