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polizei1
01-25-2011, 06:52
Taken from http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=300865

Here is the story if you don't want to read below:

http://marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/

"I didn't see the following article from The Marine Corps Times posted so thought I'd share it. The writer references the Shot Show, so it appears to be a recent article.

MARINE CORPS TIMES
The battle for a new .45 cal. pistol

2 handgun prototypes move to the fore in Corps’ search for a fresh .45
cal. weapon
By Dan Lamothe
dlamothe@militarytimes.com


LAS VEGAS — The competition to provide Marine special operators with new
.45-caliber semiautomatic pistols is beginning to take shape, with at least
two companies submitting samples to the Marine Corps, and others bowing
out.


Colt Defense, of Hartford, Conn., and Springfield Armory, of Geneseo,
Ill., sent samples of their lat est 1911 pistols to acquisition officers
this
fall, company officials said Jan. 18 during the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor
Trade Show and Conference, known as SHOT Show, in Las Vegas. The Corps is
expected to seek proposals from the defense industry soon.


The M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol is modeled after earlier versions of
the semi-automatic 1911 pistol used since the 1980s by Force Reconnaissance
units. The Corps could buy between 400 and 12,000 as part of a contract
worth up to $22.5 million, according to Marine Corps Systems Command.
Earlier
versions were called the MEU (SOC) pistol, short for Marine expeditionary
unit (special operations capable). Weapons experts at Marine Corps Base
Quan
tico, Va., have hand-assembled 1911 pistols chambered for .45 caliber
Automatic Colt Pistol ammo for years, fielding them primarily to Force Recon
and
Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command.


With both communities growing, however, the Corps is seeking an
off-the-shelf option.


Force Recon was brought back in 2008 after a two-year hiatus designed to
help the Corps stand up and round out MARSOC. The Corps’ special operations
command was activated in 2006, and is working to grow to about 2,700
personnel by 2014.


The Corps hasn’t said that the next-generation pistol must be a 1911-style
model, but industry sources at SHOT Show said they assume it will be. The
next weapon ideally will fire with the Corps’ existing .45-caliber pistol
magazines, Marine officials said.


Colt tweaked its 01070RG rail gun pistol and sent 10 prototypes to
Quantico in the fall, said Greg Rozon, a product development engineering
manager
at Colt.


The civilian 1911 rail gun usual ly has a stainless steel finish and
rosewood grips, but Colt’s proto types for the Corps have a desert color
Cercoat
finish, eliminating glare on the weapon and making it less identifiable at
a distance. They also have more stainless steel internal components to
reduce corrosion. They’re equipped with a popular night sight made by Novak
of
Parkers burg, W.Va. It utilizes tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen,
to power the optic, which is mounted on a Picatinny rail.


Springfield Armory sent the Corps six copies of its PX9105ML pistol for
evaluation, said Larry Collinson, a production manager with the company.
The
company calls it the Full-Sized MC Opera tor, with the “MC” standing for
Marine Corps. The pistol has a black slide with a green chassis. It also
includes tritium night sights, and has been sold to the Corps in small
quantities before. The Corps also has bought Springfield Armory 1911 slides
in the
past to use on pistols assembled at Quan tico, Collinson said.


Other 1911 manufacturers have bowed out on the competition.


Kimber America, of Elmsford, N.Y., is widely considered a player in the
1911 civilian and law enforcement market but decided against submitting
samples to the Corps in the fall, company offi cials said. They cited time
restraints and other competing business priorities.


Smith & Wesson, of Springfield, Mass., also produces 1911s, including a
new line called the enhanced “E” series. The weapons won’t be in production
until the end of the month, however, and company officials decided it would
be best to not rush the Corps pro totypes last fall before they were
proven, said Joe Bergeron, direc tor of defense programs for Smith &
Wesson. □



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I kind of think it's funny that Kimber and S&W aren't even going to try. If MARSOC Marines were given a Kimber, that would probably just **** on it.:rofl:

majette
01-25-2011, 09:33
If MARSOC Marines were given a Kimber, that would probably just **** on it.:rofl:
kimber provided the MARSOC unit with the Det-1 pistol around 2004. those pistols saw hard use and the marines i talked to who were familiar with them swore by them. the few that come up for sale usually have a 3K+ price tag, not that they sell for that but it is what people ask for them.

the det-1 pistol is what led kimber to make the warrior but it is NOT the same. too bad they did not step up and bring back the det-1, i guess the solo was taking up all the r&d and business priorities. 'We cannot allocate time and resources to revisit building 6-10 prototypes of a high quality .45 pistol we did before for a contract we may or may not be awarded. The Solo is a go! America will beat a path to our door for a 700.00 single stack pocket carry 9mm! Just the thing to break us out of the 1911 market! Wait till they see our 900.00 Glock clone!'

here is a pic of both, i prefer the looks of the SA, not a fan of the tan:

http://marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/012511_marine_pistols_800_edit.JPG

BikerRN45
01-25-2011, 09:40
When I was looking for a 1911 with a Rail I looked at the Springfield MC Operator and the Colt Rail Gun.

I went with the Hartford Pony. I hope Uncle Sam's Misguided Children do the same.

Biker

Captain Caveman
01-25-2011, 09:46
If their smart, they'll go with Springfield. Colt makes a nice gun, but you pay more for the name than the product. JMHO

Nakanokalronin
01-25-2011, 10:07
If their smart, they'll go with Springfield. Colt makes a nice gun, but you pay more for the name than the product. JMHO


What Colt did you have that your basing this on?

I think SA and Colt 1911s are great but I've noticed a part sometimes just don't fit exactly like their suppose to on a SA 1911. For example a Nighthawk custom MSH fits perfectly flush on the bottom by the mag well on my Colt Combat Elite. On my SA Loaded its recessed slightly. I also notice I need to shave down recoil spring plugs in order for them to fit in Springfield slides where in a Colt or Kimber, they drop right in. Nothing to really affect function but they are not exactly to spec.

My Colt Rail gun and Combat Elite where both under $1000 which is not expensive in the slightest as far as 1911s go.

MD357
01-25-2011, 10:17
If their smart, they'll go with Springfield. Colt makes a nice gun, but you pay more for the name than the product. JMHO

Good thing it's just an unfounded opinion then. :cool:

lawdog734
01-25-2011, 12:22
I wish I was one of the lucky guys that get to shoot thousands of rounds to test them.

Hokie1911
01-25-2011, 12:36
Not a fan of the Cerakote, but that is a nice looking blaster normally.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/productimages/168_0d89a.jpg

pistolwrench
01-25-2011, 12:57
I wants me some of that there Lippard 400yd. 45acp 1911's!!!!
:rofl:

Just imagine a Leupold 10X and a Harris bipod on the old girl.

polizei1
01-25-2011, 16:14
My money is on SA.

ajstrider
01-25-2011, 17:33
I really think the military is going to piss off these pistol makers here soon, in the last three years the military has asked for several prototypes and bids on pistols for multiple units in different branches, yet no contracts were awarded, even though some of the guns met the qualifications, the military just decided they didn't want them just yet. When I was in the navy, our Beretta M9's were in terrible shape and we desperately needed some new ones, but there were none to be had. I hope the military doesn't jerk around the gun companies, and finally gets some good sidearms to the people that need them.

MajorD
01-27-2011, 11:31
within the last 2 years the .mil gave Beretta a contract for up to 450,000 pistols. The main stream soldier sailor airman marine will be the ones getting them. small batch procurements of non standard guns for special ops like the one discussed above have gone on for years and will continue to do so. The joe average Marine is not getting a 45.

dreis454
01-27-2011, 12:02
I hope COLT gets it....Then maybe I can get a job there since i'm only 15-20 mins away.

BuckyP
01-27-2011, 12:23
The Springfield will win this hands down. There is no way they will buy the Colts, since they are mounting the nights sights on the rail.
:tongueout:


The civilian 1911 rail gun usually has a stainless steel finish and
rosewood grips, but Colt’s prototypes for the Corps have a desert color
Cercoat
finish, eliminating glare on the weapon and making it less identifiable at
a distance. They also have more stainless steel internal components to
reduce corrosion. They’re equipped with a popular night sight made by Novak
of Parkers burg, W.Va. It utilizes tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen,
to power the optic, which is mounted on a Picatinny rail.

Agent6-3/8
01-27-2011, 12:32
Not a fan of the Cerakote, but that is a nice looking blaster normally.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Portals/0/productimages/168_0d89a.jpg


I've looked at several and nearly bought one a while back. I went with an XSE Commander instead since it was goign to be a CCW. They are very nice pistols and on par with anything in their price range, IMO.

Alcoy
01-27-2011, 13:17
The Springfield will win this hands down. There is no way they will buy the Colts, since they are mounting the nights sights on the rail.
:tongueout:

I just read that part too. :wow: