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mr.26
01-31-2011, 19:53
Hey folks
I'm looking to buy my first rifle soon, its kinda weird because I own 3 glocks and a mossberg 500 mariner JIC but no rifle.
My budget is between 1000$ - 1500$
So I'm debating on whether I should go AK or AR
If I go ak it would be an arsenal sgl 31-84
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct944.aspx

If I go AR............................ that's were I'm having my problem. I don't want a beginner type of AR, I am familiar with the platform/system so these are the ones I'm considering
1. Smith&wesson m&p15t
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/36914
2. Saber defense M4 tactical rifle
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_788/products_id/59521
3. Colt LE6940
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/60387-55.html
Note its out of stock
Or should I just save up some cash and get a
LWRC M6A2
If you have any other suggestions one an AR or have first hand experience with any of these rifles I mentioned above please share your experience with me
Thanks.

Dawolf
01-31-2011, 19:55
Wrong forum dude.

glock22357
01-31-2011, 19:59
Post you question in the black rifle forum.

Long story short you need to look at Bravo COmpany USA (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/) for the best value in ARs.

For $1500 you can build yourself a very nice rifle and know you're getting the absolute best product.

A few words of advice....

Take your time, learn before you buy, buy once, cry once.

mr.26
01-31-2011, 20:08
Wrong forum dude.

Sorry for posting in the wrong forum "dawolf"
Would a moderator please move my thread

James Dean
01-31-2011, 21:13
Id go with a colt

Bowtie
01-31-2011, 21:16
Another Vote for Bravo Company..Very hard to beat what you get from them for the $$$

mr.26
01-31-2011, 21:24
BCM doesn't list prices on there web page? How much do they run for

bac1023
01-31-2011, 21:24
Ibtl :)

mr.26
01-31-2011, 22:27
Ibtl :)

????:dunno:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IBTL

Is that what you mean?

1faSStchevy
01-31-2011, 22:34
In Before The Lock

Bowtie
01-31-2011, 23:06
BCM doesn't list prices on there web page? How much do they run for

Yeah thats odd. Just ordered 2 uppers the other day and the prices for those are listed..

malakas
01-31-2011, 23:21
Consider the Sig556. Its like an AK in most respects but with the advantages of 5.56/.223 ammo and standard AR mags. The prices are comparable to a good AR. Cleaning is very easy and it can go a very long time between cleanings if necessary. Parts are much more common than they used to be and in most cases rated for considerably more cycles than the average AR. More than enough aftermarket accessories available as well. Great nitrated barrel with a 1:7 twist and long stroke AK style piston and bolt group make it perfect for all kinds of ammo...dirty and clean alike. It will eat common 55g ammo very well with good accuracy and it will absolutely excell at the heavier stuff. Nice ambi safety and a very good (not world class match king but very good) trigger too. Keep in mind that you will need to spend for good irons, but even then it is still comparable to a good AR.

The AR vs AK debate is probably more opinionated than the "which caliber is best" debate but the 556 is an excellent choice. That doesn't make any other choice bad or worse, but the 556 is worthy of serious consideration. WRT the 5.45x39 AK, it is a great and affordable platform, but I would only get one for fun once I had everything else I really wanted. Very little non import ammo or parts for those, and that could dry up real quick with reactionary legislation very soon.

In any case, do your research soon and get something that you are looking at because there is a very good chance you may not have the opportunity soon.

ezterra
02-01-2011, 00:13
I really really like my LWRC M6A2. Is it worth the $2200 I paid for it? Maybe. This was not my first AR so I didn't have to worry about buying optics, slings and sling mounts, or magazines. If you want a piston gun, the LWRC is a great option. It's well built, and it's proving itself to be accurate and durable. I've run the gun hard, and it hasn't failed me yet.

mr.26
02-02-2011, 16:44
I really really like my LWRC M6A2. Is it worth the $2200 I paid for it? Maybe. This was not my first AR so I didn't have to worry about buying optics, slings and sling mounts, or magazines. If you want a piston gun, the LWRC is a great option. It's well built, and it's proving itself to be accurate and durable. I've run the gun hard, and it hasn't failed me yet.

Thanks for the input

glock22357
02-02-2011, 17:05
I will add that I love my S&W M&P15T, it's a great rifle for the money with the Troy rails and sights. Great for adding optics, lights and such.

mjkeat
02-02-2011, 17:30
BCM lists the prices for their complete rifles through PDF format.

Link, in green, at the bottom of this page.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bravo-Company-Rifle-Carbine-M4-AR15-M16-s/140.htm

Id say order a BCM upper and lower separate to save a little money. Complete rifles get taxed more. Or you can order a Daniel Defense.

I own a LWRC. Its nice but expensive. A DI will serve your needs wonderfully.

mr.26
02-03-2011, 08:27
I will add that I love my S&W M&P15T, it's a great rifle for the money with the Troy rails and sights. Great for adding optics, lights and such.

Thanks I'm really considering the m&p 15t

SigFTW
02-03-2011, 09:09
After much research I bought a RRA AR-15 Elite Operator 2 for my first AR.
Comes with iron sights, chromed bolt, 16" chromed moly barrel, two stage trigger and ERGO sure grip. all for around 1k.

It is a very tight and sweet gun, I highly recommend an RRA AR.
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DieselNut
02-03-2011, 10:55
I'm kinda in the same place as the OP. You may also want to check out Spike's Tactical. They have some nice gear also along with their ARs. I'm looking at possibly buying one of their uppers with a CHF (cold hammer forged) barrel.

mr.26
02-03-2011, 14:22
What about the AK 74 I mentioned, I might just go with that I'm still on the fence

DieselNut
02-03-2011, 14:30
From what I know about AKs, you will find good Bulgarian versions. The Arsenals are really nice. I like the Polish Tantal, but do your research. They're known to key hole. Also you may want to have one built. Its more expensive than it was, but you can have a rifle you like better than one of the standard models.

mr.26
02-03-2011, 14:30
This rifles looks sweet and the specs sound good what do you guys think in 5.56 of course

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/spikes-tactical-and-emerson-knives-limited-edition-cqc22-rifle-and-knife-package-p-458.html

DieselNut
02-03-2011, 14:36
This rifles looks sweet and the specs sound good what do you guys think in 5.56 of course

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/spikes-tactical-and-emerson-knives-limited-edition-cqc22-rifle-and-knife-package-p-458.html

That's a nice setup. It all depends on how you'll be using it. I will use mine primarily to hunt with and for defense if the need ever arrives. So for me the use of rails and accessories will do me no good. I'm manly gonna run flip up sights and probably an EO Tech sight. I'll tell you this from my personal experience, as far as shooting the AR itself is more ergonomic than the AK. The AK has sharp edges and is mostly square. I like both systems though. Its pretty much a trade off from one to the other. Buy both and you're set!

StevieJ
02-03-2011, 14:36
You can't really go wrong with the any of the rifles in that price range. I would personally pick one that has all of the features I want for the best price I could find.

mr.26
02-03-2011, 15:04
That's a nice setup. It all depends on how you'll be using it. I will use mine primarily to hunt with and for defense if the need ever arrives. So for me the use of rails and accessories will do me no good. I'm manly gonna run flip up sights and probably an EO Tech sight. I'll tell you this from my personal experience, as far as shooting the AR itself is more ergonomic than the AK. The AK has sharp edges and is mostly square. I like both systems though. Its pretty much a trade off from one to the other. Buy both and you're set!

my main use for this rifle I plan to get would be hd/shtf and I will be taking it to the range as well

glock2740
02-03-2011, 15:22
Post you question in the black rifle forum.

I thought this was the Black Rifle Forum :dunno:
Anyway, to the OP, I had the M&P15A and sold it awhile back. I'm also looking at the M&P15T. RRA is having a pretty good sale on some of their guns right now. Here's what I'm down to choosing between. The 15T or the Tac Ops 2 from RRA.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=464

mr.26
02-03-2011, 18:00
I thought this was the Black Rifle Forum :dunno:
Anyway, to the OP, I had the M&P15A and sold it awhile back. I'm also looking at the M&P15T. RRA is having a pretty good sale on some of their guns right now. Here's what I'm down to choosing between. The 15T or the Tac Ops 2 from RRA.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=464

Awesome dude thanks for the link

mr.26
02-06-2011, 08:56
POF it is

http://www.pof-usa.com/p415/p415-16-9t-223.htm

What do yall think?

mjkeat
02-06-2011, 09:18
If you're going to spend that kind of money and really want a piston gun look at LWRC. Its a battle proven system w/ some of your higher echelon beard wearers.

mr.26
02-06-2011, 09:45
I was looking really hard at lwrc at first but as my research went on I found that there's a large community of people who say that the uppers and lowers on the lwrc rifles end up having a lot of wobble and play
I think that a 2500$ rifle shouldnt have any type of fitment issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cn_sF1e1so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3H8_4Xwzx8&feature=related

mjkeat
02-06-2011, 11:33
I was looking really hard at lwrc at first but as my research went on I found that there's a large community of people who say that the uppers and lowers on the lwrc rifles end up having a lot of wobble and play
I think that a 2500$ rifle shouldnt have any type of fitment issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cn_sF1e1so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3H8_4Xwzx8&feature=related

I own a LWRC and know people who own 6 or more. Its the most solid rifle I have even held. Are you basing your statement off of what you've read on youtube?

POF makes a nice rifle but like I stated before lots of hajjis have received one way tickets to Ala on LWRCs dime.

surf
02-06-2011, 12:02
If you going to spend that type of cash for a DI weapon I would buy the best quality from the start.

Daniel Defense
Noveske
BCM
Colt
LMT
Knights

Hard to beat Daniel Defense for the quality of parts / construction and the accessories included. Over $450 in just upgrade accessories in one of the best base rifles available. http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/DD-M4.aspx

mr.26
02-06-2011, 12:24
FI own a LWRC and know people who own 6 or more. Its the most solid rifle I have even held. Are you basing your statement off of what you've read on youtube?

POF makes a nice rifle but like I stated before lots of hajjis have received one way tickets to Ala on LWRCs dime.

No I'm not shutting the door on lwrc,
From what I've learned lwrc makes the best gas piston AR on the market today
Lemons do exist maybe that guy on YouTube was one of the unfortunate ones
Lwrc is still my top pick I'm just waiting on my incometax to come in so that I can place my order via gunbroker or some other form of purchase
What's your suggestion on buying one online :supergrin:

mr.26
02-08-2011, 21:51
All BS aside,
I've narrowed it down to either a noveske afghan or a lwrc m6a2 in cerakote tan.
DI or gas piston?

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=145-556&cat=122&page=1&search=&since=&status=

http://www.lwrci.com/p-4-m6a2.aspx

mjkeat
02-09-2011, 08:41
I really like my LWRC but DI might be a better choice. A DI Noveske would be a great choice. If you do go LWRC look into their "stretch" models. Its their mid length option.

As far as place to purchase an LWRC just google the model you want. Search through the results and check out their web sites. Look for reviews and ask around to get a feel for how they fun their biz. Call them as well.