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u4ea
02-03-2011, 09:40
Do you guys collect a bunch of 1911s because you love to shoot each and every one of them, or are you trying to hold onto them and sell them for a nice profit in 20 years or so?

I was at a friend's house a while back, and his dad has a collection worth 1.5 million dollars. He said 90% of the guns haven't even seen the light of day since the 80's, but that he knew every gun he had, down to which safe it was stored in, how long ago he bought it and how good of a shooter it is. He doesn't plan to sell any of them, but when he passes on and the collection changes hands, I have a feeling more than one of them will be sold by his son.

Quack
02-03-2011, 09:46
I shoot them...if not, then they get sold.

u4ea
02-03-2011, 09:49
I shoot them...if not, then they get sold.

What about someone like bac? He'd have to spend 6 hours a day at the range to even come close to using all of his guns, it looks like. lol

Quack
02-03-2011, 09:52
He shoots them in rotation, but he has collectible guns that I (he doesn't either) wouldn't fire.

Nakanokalronin
02-03-2011, 10:04
You might get a wide variety of answers on this one. The 1911 is my favorite platform and I currently own only 8 1911s. Certainly not a collection but there are certain models I really wanted to have and the rest are all guns that are used for one pupose or another like HD and carry.

There are some really high end models I could buy but I know they would sit in the safe and I see it more as a waste of money than an investment down the road. The only other 1911 or 1911A1 I want is an all original WWI-II model just to have an example of the type that started it all. Lots of people have them but I haven't found the right one in the condition I'm looking for.

Some people just like them so much they want a huge variety. Some will buy them for investments and as long as they are quality examples will make a decent profit on them down the line.

The 1911 is one of the best and most interesting platforms to work on as well. Its a handgun you can customize like no other that would truly make it one of a kind. Its a personal weapon that has a soul so to speak.

My guns are mainly to be used and a few sit and get shot once in awhile and although I'd like to take all the 1911s I see home with me I can't have a flock of firearms that sit in a safe all the time.

BTW, I hope your friend's dad takes them out once in awhile to check for rust. I have dehumidifiers and heat rods in my safes but I'm always taking out each gun I own no less than once a month to check, wipe down and re-lube anything that might have evaporated away.

ETA: Quack and bac are exceptions. Don't try to understand why they do what they do. Just accept it.

GeorgiaRedfish
02-03-2011, 10:10
The only 1911's I wouldn't shoot are ones that have seen wartimes.

lawdog734
02-03-2011, 10:17
The only 1911's I wouldn't shoot are ones that have seen wartimes.

Even my WWII colt I can't resist and take it out every great now and again to run a mag or two thru.

craig19
02-03-2011, 10:24
ETA: Quack and bac are exceptions. Don't try to understand why they do what they do. Just accept it.


:rofl:

rsxr22
02-03-2011, 16:47
The only 1911's I wouldn't shoot are ones that have seen wartimes.

I agree. Also the reason why I dont buy nor want to buy rare guns.

jrs93accord
02-03-2011, 17:01
What about someone like bac? He'd have to spend 6 hours a day at the range to even come close to using all of his guns, it looks like. lol

As an owner of 65 1911s, I can say that they all do not get shot for a couple reasons. One is to preserve the vintage pistols that are in pristine condition. The other is to preserve some of the newer collectable pieces in new condition. I have shot my USGI 1918 Colt 1911 to see if it still functioned fine. I have several other 1911s that have been shot only once and some twice. I have 80 other firearms in my collection as well, so somethings do not get shot as much as others.

ctfireman
02-03-2011, 17:02
I shoot everything, however i certainly don't have a 1.5 million dollar collection.

Hokie1911
02-03-2011, 17:24
I can't see owning anything I wouldn't pull out of the safe and shoot regularly.

asiparks
02-03-2011, 17:26
I've 16 1911's and maybe 30 other assorted handguns at the mo, the only ones that don't get shot are some of my older (1935 -1959) S&W wheelguns.

All the 1911' get at least some rangetime. I bought all of them used, at good prices. I figure when i sell them, i might lose a bit here, gain a bit there, plus i get the pleasure of owning and shooting them in the meantime....
Unless you're a savvy expert on firearms, they're a horrible investment choice. His collection might be worth $1.5 mil, but if he'd invested the money used to collect them in stock, well who knows ?
I bought $1000 of apple stock in '04 when it was just under $13 and spent about $3000 on firearms that year. ...Today, I'd imagine the value of those guns is a bit less than the $86,000 the $3000 would be worth if i'd put it into Apple instead....:shocked:

GJ1981
02-03-2011, 17:50
I can't see owning anything I wouldn't pull out of the safe and shoot regularly.

This.

I have way more pistols than I need, some don't get range time because I'd rather train with my CCW pistols than a range only. I'll most likely sell some off this year, I just can't stand a firearm not getting used outside of "just having it."

Hokie1911
02-03-2011, 18:04
I considered getting an Brown EC Centennial from George this year and would have absolutely no problem shooting the snot out of it. No safe queens for me.

thecableguy
02-03-2011, 18:14
I can't see owning anything I wouldn't pull out of the safe and shoot regularly.

I am with Paul. I don't see how you won't shoot some of them. I would go crazy. :supergrin:

Hokie1911
02-03-2011, 18:17
Luckily for me, I don't have much money, so it will take me like a year to pay a semi-custom build off. Less guns equals more trigger time for the ones that I will be fortunate enough to own. I don't ever see having the problems Brian and James have "rotating through the herd". :supergrin:

Nakanokalronin
02-03-2011, 18:18
I considered getting an Brown EC Centennial from George this year and would have absolutely no problem shooting the snot out of it. No safe queens for me.

That particular 1911 is just calling me like nothing else I've seen come up this year from any other 1911 manufacture. I would shoot it but I know it would end up sitting in a safe far from anything else. I'd take it out and wipe it down with a diaper once in awhile, but that's about it.

There are guns I can spend that much money on like an AR and beat it to hell but in all honesty that Ed Brown is just to pretty like other 1911s I've seen. give me a $1200 (give or take) 1911 and I'm fine and dandy with using it in any situation.

thecableguy
02-03-2011, 18:23
That particular 1911 is just calling me like nothing else I've seen come up this year from any other 1911 manufacture. I would shoot it but I know it would end up sitting in a safe far from anything else. I'd take it out and wipe it down with a diaper once in awhile, but that's about it.

There are guns I can spend that much money on like an AR and beat it to hell but in all honesty that Ed Brown is just to pretty like other 1911s I've seen. give me a $1200 (give or take) 1911 and I'm fine and dandy with using it in any situation.

Here in a couple of months I am going to order a EE cent. I can assure you that I am going to shoot the snot out of it and rotate carry between it and my WC. If i spend that much money I am going to get my monies worth and then some.

bac1023
02-03-2011, 18:52
The only 1911's I wouldn't shoot are ones that have seen wartimes.

I shoot my USGIs, actually.

bac1023
02-03-2011, 19:01
Out of all my 1911s, I have three that I won't shoot.


AMT Hardballer


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1624.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1626-1.jpg







1967 Colt National Match


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/004-4.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/009-7.jpg







Valto 1998A1


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/020-1.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/049.jpg



None of these have been fired outside the factory and they will stay that way.

Besides the collector value, I really have no desire to shoot them.

lawdog734
02-03-2011, 19:23
I carry my No Name a lot.

R0CKETMAN
02-03-2011, 19:23
The two pistols I choose not to shoot are my NIB Colt Python and the NIB O1918 I just got today.

rsxr22
02-03-2011, 19:46
The two pistols I choose not to shoot are my NIB Colt Python and the NIB O1918 I just got today.

Exactly why I want to find a used Python. They are such a nice revolver, I would have way to hard of a time not shooting it.

bac1023
02-03-2011, 20:58
I have some other handguns I don't shoot as well.

Again, these are all unfired.


70's Mauser Luger


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1723.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1863-1.jpg







1967 Walther P38


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2689.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2690.jpg







Colt Python Elite


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1529.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1530.jpg

bac1023
02-03-2011, 20:59
D&D Bren Ten


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1861.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1859.jpg







Korth Combat 357

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2091.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2084.jpg







Browning Hi-Power (all belgian)


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2348.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2356.jpg

thecableguy
02-03-2011, 21:06
Wow Brian your collection never ceases to amaze me, but your restraint not to shoot any of those is sub-human.

bac1023
02-03-2011, 21:12
Wow Brian your collection never ceases to amaze me, but your restraint not to shoot any of those is sub-human.

Thanks.

It may have something to do with the other 160+ handguns I do shoot. ;)

thecableguy
02-03-2011, 21:24
Thanks.

It may have something to do with the other 160+ handguns I do shoot. ;)

:wow: 160. Your trigger finger must look like Popeyes forearm.

thecableguy
02-03-2011, 21:28
D&D Bren Ten


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1861.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1859.jpg


Theres one of these on GB right now starting @2300 and no reserve. Sucks being broke.:crying:

bac1023
02-03-2011, 21:43
Theres one of these on GB right now starting @2300 and no reserve. Sucks being broke.:crying:

Prices keep going up on the Brens. Only 1500 or so were built.

$2300 for a used Bren with no box or papers. Wow.

I got mine for about that unfired with everything included. That was a few years ago. You don't even see many on GB nowadays.

There was a Bren Marksman, which is the 45ACP version, for $3500 the other day.

RetailNinja
02-03-2011, 21:49
There are two people. People like BAC, people who have the means to acquire nice things and not shoot them, and the people who acquire nice things and use them.

In the end a gun is just a tool... Collecting for the sake of collecting is awesome, but for people who can't, save up, buy something nice, and wail on that bish.

I have no more or less respect for people who own Ferrari F40s (best Ferrari ever IMO) whether they are garage queens or weekend racers.

airflyer
02-03-2011, 21:56
I shoot and carry most of not all of my small collection, I really appreciate the quality and shooting them is important to me .
No safe queens yet but as you expand your collection I could see it happening

PlasticGuy
02-03-2011, 22:09
Bac kicks my butt on the volume of high dollar guns he owns for sure. He doesn't have many that top the price and quality of my Yost Signature though, and I shoot that. Most of the ones he posted pictures of I wouldn't fire though, for exactly the same reason he doesn't shoot them.

There are shooting guns, and there are guns for collecting. I don't buy collectable guns, so I never have to deal with the temptations that Bac deals with daily. I'm weak, and I'll admit it. ;)

kirgi08
02-04-2011, 00:14
[QUOTE=bac1023;16803281]I have some other handguns I don't shoot as well.

Again, these are all unfired.







1967 Walther P38


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2689.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2690.jpg


Pistol in Bacs collection,the 67NM is a close second.I know he's got more high dollar pieces,I just like the fit/finish of those 2 pistols.'08.

bac1023
02-04-2011, 05:18
Bac kicks my butt on the volume of high dollar guns he owns for sure. He doesn't have many that top the price and quality of my Yost Signature though, and I shoot that.

Very true.

I actually shoot my top dollar customs, like my Yost, Morris, and Liebenberg. :)

R0CKETMAN
02-04-2011, 05:26
D&D Bren Ten


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1861.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_1859.jpg









Crockett would be proud to have carried that one vs all SS...

paul45
02-04-2011, 08:19
I was at a friend's house a while back, and his dad has a collection worth 1.5 million dollars..

Where does his dad live and does he have a home alarm system....oh, and when do they go on vacation?

I wonder if "Dad" would like to kick your pie hole for telling the world his personal business? Just wondering.....:whistling:

Hokie1911
02-04-2011, 08:21
Crockett would be proud to have carried that one vs all SS...

:rofl:

u4ea
02-04-2011, 17:07
Where does his dad live and does he have a home alarm system....oh, and when do they go on vacation?

I wonder if "Dad" would like to kick your pie hole for telling the world his personal business? Just wondering.....:whistling:

He's sold me several guns, and he would have no problems with me disclosing his collection. It's not like I said who he was, where he lived or what he does for a living. I was shocked the first time I saw his collection. I never knew they made safes that large. Most of the guns are long guns, and I have zero interest in anything that's not a handgun, so the collection isn't that amazing to me.

bac1023
02-04-2011, 18:34
Crockett would be proud to have carried that one vs all SS...

Sonny's wasn't all stainless. It had a hard chromed slide instead of bluing.

All the Bren Tens had carbon steel slides. None were all stainless.

R0CKETMAN
02-04-2011, 19:47
Sonny's wasn't all stainless. It had a hard chromed slide instead of bluing.

All the Bren Tens had carbon steel slides. None were all stainless.


Um kinda freaks me out that you knew that...just sayn:supergrin:

The Bren preceded the 4506 as the first shown in the Galco Classic as I recall.

deadite
02-04-2011, 20:58
Only gun that I don't shoot anymore is my USGI Colt 1911 made in 1918. I shot it twice and that's good for me. It's seen 2 world wars and I think it deserves it's retirement. :)

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

deadite

Quack
02-04-2011, 21:01
Only gun that I don't shoot anymore is my USGI Colt 1911 made in 1918. I shot it twice and that's good for me. It's seen 2 world wars and I think it deserves it's retirement. :)

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

deadite

Nice!!!

I looked at a US Property marked gun from 1919. I might pick it up.

bac1023
02-04-2011, 21:21
Um kinda freaks me out that you knew that...just sayn:supergrin:



I actually never watched the show, but any Bren Ten fan knows that the "Vice" model has a chromed slide. :supergrin:

deadite
02-04-2011, 21:35
Nice!!!

I looked at a US Property marked gun from 1919. I might pick it up.

Do it!..Just leave the trigger alone, though. ;)

deadite

thecableguy
02-04-2011, 21:37
Do it!..Just leave the trigger alone, though. ;)

deadite

:rofl::rofl:

Quack
02-04-2011, 21:37
Do it!..Just leave the trigger alone, though. ;)

deadite

i was going to hack it up, put a BTGS, and a C-More red dot mount on it.

deadite
02-04-2011, 21:44
i was going to hack it up, put a BTGS, and a C-More red dot mount on it.

How about one of those holster clips that glues on the frame? ;)

deadite

Ruggles
02-04-2011, 21:47
I shoot all of mine cause unless you have to take you shoes off to count em all it ain't a collection :rofl:

I only have 3 1911s currently

http://i55.tinypic.com/35085ue.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/25jjd4w.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2n22137.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/20h1phg.jpg

If you can see from my crappy pictures the only one without some wear and tear is the newest Wilson, the 5" CQB. It will after I carry it some more :supergrin:

I can think of few things better to collect than 1911s, maybe when the kids move out......

deadite
02-04-2011, 21:50
http://i52.tinypic.com/25jjd4w.jpg

I like this one A LOT! :)

deadite

Quack
02-04-2011, 21:53
I shoot all of mine cause unless you have to take you shoes off to count em all it ain't a collection :rofl:



well i can count my 1911's with my pants down, so my next one will require taking a shoe off :shocked:

Ruggles
02-04-2011, 22:00
I like this one A LOT! :)

deadite

Thanks. I have some sweet ancient mammoth ivory grips for it, case I wanna BBQ you know. :rofl: Actually they are very nice grips, thinking of a SS 5" Kobra bobtailed to put them on :)

http://i55.tinypic.com/mw8ug4.jpg


"Now I swear the next one of you primates even *touches* me..." Army of Darkness

Ruggles
02-04-2011, 22:01
well i can count my 1911's with my pants down, so my next one will require taking a shoe off :shocked:

I bet the first 10 are 5" models and that 11th 1911 is a Kimber Ultra Carry right? :whistling:

NDLAWRENCE
02-04-2011, 22:05
how many guns do you own bac? do you have a picture of them all together?

Hokie1911
02-04-2011, 22:15
Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The .45 caliber Kobra Carry. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Perry, Missouri. Retails for about twenty-three hundred, ninety five. It's got a cocobolo grips, Gen3 stainless steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?


http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/55e32bec.jpg

deadite
02-04-2011, 22:17
I bet the first 10 are 5" models and that 11th 1911 is a Kimber Ultra Carry right? :whistling:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu322/bNphish/OhSnap.gif

Ruggles
02-04-2011, 22:31
Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The .45 caliber Kobra Carry. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Perry, Missouri. Retails for about twenty-three hundred, ninety five. It's got a cocobolo grips, Gen3 stainless steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?


http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/55e32bec.jpg

Hail to the king baby!

Ruggles
02-04-2011, 22:34
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu322/bNphish/OhSnap.gif

Damn It!

EYE BLEACH I NEED EYE BLEECH!!!

:rofl:

Quack
02-04-2011, 22:47
Damn It!

EYE BLEACH I NEED EYE BLEECH!!!

:rofl:

i can PM you some :whistling:

20South
02-05-2011, 01:35
I actually never watched the show, but any Bren Ten fan knows that the "Vice" model has a chromed slide. :supergrin:

It once belonged to Joe....:tongueout::tongueout::tongueout::tongueout:

bac1023
02-05-2011, 05:27
how many guns do you own bac? do you have a picture of them all together?

Not all together, just groups. :)

R0CKETMAN
02-05-2011, 06:24
I actually never watched the show, but any Bren Ten fan knows that the "Vice" model has a chromed slide. :supergrin:

Dang dude, you should at least catch a few of the early Bren episodes.




Only gun that I don't shoot anymore is my USGI Colt 1911 made in 1918. I shot it twice and that's good for me. It's seen 2 world wars and I think it deserves it's retirement. :)

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0454.jpg

deadite

Nice!!!

I looked at a US Property marked gun from 1919. I might pick it up.

I'm very tempted to pick up a 1918 I'm looking at. Not sure I need another safe queen though. Is $1500 range a good price?

lawdog734
02-05-2011, 08:26
Dang dude, you should at least catch a few of the early Bren episodes.








I'm very tempted to pick up a 1918 I'm looking at. Not sure I need another safe queen though. Is $1500 range a good price?

If everything is original then yes, I paid $1500 for my colt made in 1942

deadite
02-05-2011, 08:31
I'm very tempted to pick up a 1918 I'm looking at. Not sure I need another safe queen though. Is $1500 range a good price?

I guess it all depends on the condition. $1500.00 for a 1911 in the same condition as mine is pretty high, but if it was perfect.....

deadite

R0CKETMAN
02-05-2011, 09:15
If everything is original then yes, I paid $1500 for my colt made in 1942

I guess it all depends on the condition. $1500.00 for a 1911 in the same condition as mine is pretty high, but if it was perfect.....

deadite

You know what's funny is that I'd be half tempted to send it to Heirloom for a complete restoration:wow:

Hokie1911
02-05-2011, 09:16
You know what's funny is that I'd be half tempted to send it to Heirloom for a complete restoration:wow:

That may be a tad more than $1,500. :whistling:

deadite
02-05-2011, 09:24
You know what's funny is that I'd be half tempted to send it to Heirloom for a complete restoration:wow:

That may be a tad more than $1,500. :whistling:

Yeah, the restoration would cost more than the Colt itself. If you were going to pay that much, I would just look for a mint Colt that cost around $3000-3500.00. Doug Turnbull does this sort of restoration, but it's uber-pricey.

deadite

bac1023
02-05-2011, 20:04
You know what's funny is that I'd be half tempted to send it to Heirloom for a complete restoration:wow:

That's not a restoration, its a real high end custom build. Its retro styled, but don't let its looks fool you. ;)

They're built from the best parts available and fitted as good as anything on the 1911 market.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/043.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/044.jpg

bac1023
02-05-2011, 20:04
That may be a tad more than $1,500. :whistling:

:rofl:

Yeah, I'll say. ;)