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Quack
02-04-2011, 13:48
Pro's
Con's
available ammo
available brass

glock2740
02-04-2011, 14:58
Pretty cool round for sure. Here's some info on it.
http://www.burnscustom.com/9x23.html

And some reloading information.
http://www.burnscustom.com/9x23/reload.html

Winchester factory SD ammo
http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/super-x/silvertip-hollow-point/Pages/X923W.aspx

Winchester factory practice ammo
http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/usa/jacketed-soft-point/Pages/Q4304.aspx

gomerpyle
02-04-2011, 15:03
The owner of my company and my plant manager have Star model B's in 9mm Largo (9x23). It's a pretty sweet shooter, 9mm on steroids. They buy all their ammo either online or at gun shows by the brick. I haven't really heard them complain about ammo availability from either sources.

polizei1
02-04-2011, 15:12
Doesn't seem any better ballistics wise to me? Unless I'm missing something, isn't GD's 124gr +p right around the same velocity?

thecableguy
02-04-2011, 15:19
What cha got in mind Don?

Quack
02-04-2011, 15:23
:supergrin:

glock2740
02-04-2011, 15:27
Doesn't seem any better ballistics wise to me? Unless I'm missing something, isn't GD's 124gr +p right around the same velocity?
Well, Winchester 125 Silver Tip = 1450fps @ 583 foot #'s of energy vs. the 124+P Gold Dot at 1220fps @ 410 foot #'s of energy. Not too close in my book. And I'm a HUGE 124+P Gold Dot fan. That's all I carry in my 9mm's. :dunno:

gomerpyle
02-04-2011, 15:27
Doesn't seem any better ballistics wise to me? Unless I'm missing something, isn't GD's 124gr +p right around the same velocity?

There is a difference in recoil that's for sure. Ballistic wise I don't know? To me it's a novelty caliber, but the few hundred rounds I've shot I enjoyed (besides that damn hammer). It kind of reminded me of shooting a P226 in .357sig

Quack
02-04-2011, 15:37
Found a gun I might buy that's chambered in 9x23, but thinking of fitting a 9mm barrel in it too.

glock2740
02-04-2011, 16:08
There is a difference in recoil that's for sure. Ballistic wise I don't know? To me it's a novelty caliber, but the few hundred rounds I've shot I enjoyed (besides that damn hammer). It kind of reminded me of shooting a P226 in .357sig
The 9x23 and 9x25 are both "novelty" rounds. But they aren't jokes by any means. :cool:

HAIL CAESAR
02-04-2011, 16:40
Well, Winchester 125 Silver Tip = 1450fps @ 583 foot #'s of energy vs. the 124+P Gold Dot at 1220fps @ 410 foot #'s of energy. Not too close in my book. And I'm a HUGE 124+P Gold Dot fan. That's all I carry in my 9mm's. :dunno:

I chrony'ed the Winchester factory in my Commander barrel and got around 1480 (if I remember right). That is out of a 4.25 barrel and over 600 foot pounds of energy. Definitely way over the hottest 9mm.

Plus that is a factory load which is considered a light load, there is reload data for more velocity. Same concept as 38 Super with out the semi-rimmed case, and none of those hassles.

As the bullets are lighter it doesn't take as much mag spring to lift them during cycling, which makes it inherently more reliable. Plus a tapered case which help reliability.

In addition the Government mags hold 10 rounds. So you have a Government or Commander that holds 11 rounds.

So you have a 1911 with 11 rounds that packs 600 foot pounds of punch. So basically a .357 magnum (and nobody laughs at .357 mags) with 11 rounds on tap and the recoil of a 38 Super 1911 (which is a *****cat). So what is not to love??

Reloading is easy, but you have to be careful as it is a high pressure round. Only use Win brass and small rifle primers.

Factory ammo will have to be ordered, but not hard to get. Brass is the same.

9x23 Win and 9mm Largo is NOT the same stuff, it's two different rounds.

HAIL CAESAR
02-04-2011, 16:46
The only "con" I can think of is you will very likely have to order ammo and brass.

Quack
02-04-2011, 17:00
decisions, decisions....here's the gun in question. it's a Brown Baer.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1177603673_V4kwx-O.jpg

glock2740
02-04-2011, 17:02
I chrony'ed the Winchester factory in my Commander barrel and got around 1480 (if I remember right). That is out of a 4.25 barrel and over 600 foot pounds of energy. Definitely way over the hottest 9mm.

Plus that is a factory load which is considered a light load, there is reload data for more velocity. Same concept as 38 Super with out the semi-rimmed case, and none of those hassles.

As the bullets are lighter it doesn't take as much mag spring to lift them during cycling, which makes it inherently more reliable. Plus a tapered case which help reliability.

In addition the Government mags hold 10 rounds. So you have a Government or Commander that holds 11 rounds.

So you have a 1911 with 11 rounds that packs 600 foot pounds of punch. So basically a .357 magnum (and nobody laughs at .357 mags) with 11 rounds on tap and the recoil of a 38 Super 1911 (which is a *****cat). So what is not to love??

Reloading is easy, but you have to be careful as it is a high pressure round. Only use Win brass and small rifle primers.

Factory ammo will have to be ordered, but not hard to get. Brass is the same.

9x23 Win and 9mm Largo is NOT the same stuff, it's two different rounds.
So I take it that you are agreeing with me, that 9x23 blows the doors off of the 9mm +P?:dunno:

polizei1
02-04-2011, 17:59
That sure sounds like it!

And I thought Quack wouldn't ever own a Baer? Or is it just because it's a Brown/Baer? :dunno:

Quack
02-04-2011, 18:02
That sure sounds like it!

And I thought Quack wouldn't ever own a Baer? Or is it just because it's a Brown/Baer? :dunno:

it's an old Brown, back when he was just a custom shop, so i'm not buying a Baer, it's a Brown (on a Baer frame/slide) :tongueout:

gomerpyle
02-04-2011, 18:06
I like :thumbsup: . Sorry about talking about the largo, didn't know the difference in 9x23. Learn something new everyday.

From http://www.9mmlargo.com/cartridge/index.htm

In 1996 Winchester introduced a new cartridge, the 9x23mm Winchester (http://www.9mmlargo.com/cartridge/largovwin.htm). The exterior case dimensions of this round are almost identical to the 9mm Largo. Interior dimensions are different though, as this cartridge is loaded to much higher pressure than the 9mm Largo. For this reason 9x23mm Winchester ammunition should not be used in 9mm Largo firearms. Reloading the brass to 9mm Largo specifications should not pose a problem, if it is remembered that the case capacity of the 9x23mm Winchester is less than that of the 9mm Largo and powder charges are adjusted accordingly.

glock2740
02-04-2011, 18:51
decisions, decisions....here's the gun in question. it's a Brown Baer.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1177603673_V4kwx-O.jpg
Cool gun Quack. Get it man. :thumbsup:

glock2740
02-04-2011, 18:53
it's an old Brown, back when he was just a custom shop, so i'm not buying a Baer, it's a Brown (on a Baer frame/slide) :tongueout:
If that makes you feel better. :rofl:

Quack
02-04-2011, 18:55
You guys may have forgotten that I'll consider all brands for 2011

glock2740
02-04-2011, 19:11
You guys may have forgotten that I'll consider all brands for 2011
Except for Baer. This is technically a Brown Baer.:whistling:





:tongueout: :rofl:

Quack
02-04-2011, 19:18
Maybe I already have a Baer on order.

HAIL CAESAR
02-04-2011, 22:57
So I take it that you are agreeing with me, that 9x23 blows the doors off of the 9mm +P?:dunno:

Yes, yes. I was agreeing with you totally. Sorry about that. I guess it read like I was not agreeing with you.:wavey:

MD357
02-04-2011, 23:54
decisions, decisions....here's the gun in question. it's a Brown Baer.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1177603673_V4kwx-O.jpg

Now that would be fun to shoot.

If you need a smith that has done some 9x23 guns then PM me, hes VERY good and knows his stuff when it comes to that cartridge.

GeorgiaRedfish
02-05-2011, 00:00
It equals 207. Thats all you need to know

BuckyP
02-05-2011, 00:09
I chrony'ed the Winchester factory in my Commander barrel and got around 1480 (if I remember right). That is out of a 4.25 barrel and over 600 foot pounds of energy. Definitely way over the hottest 9mm.


I've seen factory Winchester ammo chrono 1520+ out of a 5" gun. The owner of our gun store is a huge 9x23 fan.


Same concept as 38 Super with out the semi-rimmed case, and none of those hassles.

As the bullets are lighter it doesn't take as much mag spring to lift them during cycling, which makes it inherently more reliable. Plus a tapered case which help reliability.


Actually in a single stack magazine, the taper is a determent, which is why some of the 9mms have been problematic. However, since the 9x23 is longer than the 9x19 (with the same beginning and ending OD), the taper is much less. The rimless round is an improvement over the traditional .38 super.

It's a shame the 9x23 didn't catch on. It suffered from only being offered in 1 platform. It was much close (actually exceeded) .357 Magnum power in a semi auto pistol than the .357 Sig is.

glock2740
02-05-2011, 00:10
Yes, yes. I was agreeing with you totally. Sorry about that. I guess it read like I was not agreeing with you.:wavey:
:thumbsup:

JohnH
02-05-2011, 02:12
The 9x23 has a case head similar to a .223 rifle cartridge, i.e. very safe in the old unsupported Colt barrels. The case length is also the same length as the 38 Super and 45 ACP. It also has a slight taper and the feed friendly 9mm bullet ogive. If it were readily available and cheaper, it would be hands down my choice in a 1911.

I've read about Glock 20s chambered in 2x23. Barrel swap and a little mag. tweaking. I wish Glock would have passed on the 45 GAP and 357 Sig and built a slim-slide (ala Glock 36) G19-sized pistol in 9x23. None of the alleged KBoom issues with the super strong 9x23 case head, or bullet setback with the 357 Sig round, easier to reload than the Sig round, higher capacity, and faster.

The 9x23 should have been the future.

drc767
02-05-2011, 08:09
It is a great looking round ballistically, but in my opinion, there are two serious drawbacks for ccw/home defense use. 1. If you ever shoot one without hearing protection, you are going to really regret it.....they are very loud. 2. They have a very large muzzle flash that would pretty much render your night sight useless.

polizei1
02-05-2011, 10:12
Well, you have to register the frame, right? So wouldn't this be registered as a Les Baer?

Quack
02-05-2011, 10:14
i don't have to register sheeit

Quack
02-05-2011, 10:15
Well, you have to register the frame, right? So wouldn't this be registered as a Les Baer?

and that would mean that some Nighthawks would have to be registered as Caspian's and Fusion as STI's

glock2740
02-05-2011, 10:44
and that would mean that some Nighthawks would have to be registered as Caspian's and Fusion as STI's
I thought Fusions had to be registered as junk, from some of the threads I've read.:dunno::rofl:

polizei1
02-05-2011, 11:42
:rofl: