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FLA-SandMan
02-05-2011, 14:08
I have a Military Surplus 1911 I got from my dad - not sure if it's a WWII or Korean war surplus and I will never sell it, but was wondering how would I go about finding out what it's worth. It's in very good condition, and shoots great.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Nickpisp
02-05-2011, 14:13
Can't tell much without some pictures.

The USGI section on 1911 forum is the best place for info on those.

tango44
02-05-2011, 14:43
No one can tell if we don't see pics please.

Rinspeed
02-05-2011, 15:06
That's like asking how much is an old car worth. :dunno:

Hokie1911
02-05-2011, 15:13
If you are never going to sell it....what difference does it make what is worth? :dunno:

Dalton Wayne
02-05-2011, 15:22
If you are never going to sell it....what difference does it make what is worth? :dunno:
Uh Insurance reasons????

Hokie1911
02-05-2011, 15:29
Uh Insurance reasons????

Ahhhhhh.

FLA-SandMan
02-05-2011, 16:55
That's like asking how much is an old car worth. :dunno:

If you read my post, I didn't ask what it was worth, I asked how I can go about finding out what it's worth. :wow:

I was hoping someone could tell me what to look for in determining it's age - maybe by the serial number or something like that.

The reasons are both for insurance purposes and, if it's not really worth anything, I might someday decided to make some modifications to it.

Hokie1911
02-05-2011, 17:04
If you read my post, I didn't ask what it was worth, I asked how I can go about finding out what it's worth. :wow:

I was hoping someone could tell me what to look for in determining it's age - maybe by the serial number or something like that.

The reasons are both for insurance purposes and, if it's not really worth anything, I might someday decided to make some modifications to it.

I think Jeff's point was without specifics and/or pics.....that would be the equivalent of guessing. If you can post some pics, there are some extremely knowledgable guys here that can give you an idea of it's value.

FLA-SandMan
02-05-2011, 17:15
Here are a couple of pictures.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/bltduncan/1911/DSC02637.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/bltduncan/1911/DSC02638.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/bltduncan/1911/DSC02639.jpg

jrs93accord
02-05-2011, 17:53
Here are a couple of pictures.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/bltduncan/1911/DSC02637.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/bltduncan/1911/DSC02638.jpg

That is definitely a keeper. I am not sure what kind of value to place on it, but they are very scarce. This is the first picture I have seen of a Colt/ Springfield 1911. These were early production guns. I believe they were produced somewhere around 1914. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Nickpisp
02-05-2011, 17:58
That is definitely a keeper. I am not sure what kind of value to place on it, but they are very scarce. This is the first picture I have seen of a Colt/ Springfield 1911. These were early production guns. I believe they were produced somewhere around 1914. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Hard to tell without a serial number. It's been refinished and has a newer trigger so I wouldn't think it's worth all that much.

dnuggett
02-05-2011, 18:01
Based on what I've seen I'd ballpark it at $1000 depending on condition (hard to tell from the pics). Edited to note the refinish and trigger work.

~$2500 if it's all original and not refinished- again depending on condition.

I'm on an iPhone so the finer details are harder to pick out.

carloglock19
02-05-2011, 18:11
Thats a keeper for sure very nice.

tango44
02-05-2011, 18:13
I don't think that is worth $2500, but a 1911 can tell for sure!

FLIPPER 348
02-05-2011, 19:41
Hard to tell without a serial number. It's been refinished and has a newer trigger so I wouldn't think it's worth all that much.


We would need the sn to track down the date of manufacture. The frame has no markings from the photos you posted so they were either removed, it is a so-called 'lunchbox' 1911 frame (very rare) or it is commercial frame.

FLA-SandMan
02-05-2011, 20:05
The S/N is just above the trigger on the right side, but not shown in the picture. The number is 168831

jrs93accord
02-05-2011, 20:16
The S/N is just above the trigger on the right side, but not shown in the picture. The number is 168831

That is in the early 1917 Colt range.

FLIPPER 348
02-05-2011, 21:28
Sweet pistol and easy & inexpensive to 'restore' back to it's former glory. Or just shoot the hell out of it and enjoy!

Nickpisp
02-05-2011, 22:10
The S/N is just above the trigger on the right side, but not shown in the picture. The number is 168831

Is it really OD green or does the pic just make it look that way?

DPris
02-05-2011, 22:15
It's nowhere near "all original", with unmarked frame & that Springfield-marked slide, not to mention the trigger, grips, and what appears to be a parkerized re-finish. :)
Value in money would be no more than $1000 at the far outside, I'd think, closer to $500.
Value in hand as a family piece would be inestimable.
Denis

FLA-SandMan
02-06-2011, 10:20
Is it really OD green or does the pic just make it look that way?

It's the picture. It looks black.

Geeorge
02-06-2011, 12:14
That's a 1911 not an a1.Looks to be rearsenaled,probably for use in WWII or korea.

Might have seen service in WWI , WWII & Korea.

The trigger isn't correct,someone has replaced the original long trigger with an adjustable one.

Those trade for $700 -800 around here in that condition.

Got two similiar myself,nice old guns

Geeorge
02-06-2011, 12:16
Is it really OD green or does the pic just make it look that way?

Some military parkerizing turns that color,it is very desirable over the ordinary grey parkerizing

Geeorge
02-06-2011, 12:18
http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Go over here and post some better pictures and they will tell you all about it.

There are some very sharp 1911 people over there

FLIPPER 348
02-06-2011, 12:19
We restore a few of these a year back to original specs & finish. They make great shooters.

MajorD
02-07-2011, 12:48
sorry to say except for sentimental value not much it has been commercially refinished has mixed parts and most importantly it has had the us property mark ground off the left side of the dust cover that absolutely kills value- as is it is a 600 dollar gun

FLA-SandMan
02-08-2011, 18:46
sorry to say except for sentimental value not much it has been commercially refinished has mixed parts and most importantly it has had the us property mark ground off the left side of the dust cover that absolutely kills value- as is it is a 600 dollar gun

I don't think anything has been ground off. On the left side, it says "Springfield Armory USA", and on the right side it says "Model of 1911 U.S. Army". I can't see any evidence of any grinding. It may have looked that way from the poor pictures.

When the gun was being stored, it was soaked down with Synthetic EEZOX Premium Gun Care. The stuff almost looks gummy on the surface, and I'm afraid to use anything too caustic to clean it. I think that is part of why the gun looks like it has been refinished in the picture (It could have been - I just don't know for sure). Any suggestions on cleaning it good without worrying about damaging the true finish?

Thanks,

Nickpisp
02-08-2011, 18:55
I don't think anything has been ground off. On the left side, it says "Springfield Armory USA", and on the right side it says "Model of 1911 U.S. Army". I can't see any evidence of any grinding. It may have looked that way from the poor pictures.

Like this:


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/Nickpisp/012.jpg

FLA-SandMan
02-08-2011, 19:03
No, I don't see "United State Property" stamped on it, but it doesn't look like anything has been ground off either. I don't know if this gun is older or newer than the one in the picture, but maybe they haven't always stamped that on the frame - since it says "MODEL OF 1911 U. S. ARMY" stamped on the right side of the slide.

Nickpisp
02-08-2011, 19:04
No, I don't see "United State Property" stamped on it, but it doesn't look like anything has been ground off either. I don't know if this gun is older or newer than the one in the picture, but maybe they haven't always stamped that on the frame - since it says "MODEL OF 1911 U. S. ARMY" stamped on the right side of the slide.

Nope, should be on the frame also.

fowler
02-08-2011, 19:08
WW1 refurb about $900 on a good day. There soft steel don,t shoot it alot.

FLA-SandMan
02-08-2011, 19:18
Nope, should be on the frame also.

Then I assume the frame was swapped out as part of the refurbishment. I know my dad bought it years ago when you could buy military surplus through the NRA. I think he paid $17.00 for it back then (probably in the '60's???). Does anyone know if it was common to swap out frames as part of the refurbishment process when the guns were sold?

deputy tom
02-10-2011, 07:44
You can see ERTY faintly on the frame directly below the slide stop notch in the second picture.tom.

Leigh
02-10-2011, 08:00
You can see ERTY faintly on the frame directly below the slide stop notch in the second picture.tom.

Good eye, Tom!
Yep, definitely ground off.

MajorD
02-10-2011, 10:12
yes a VERY obvious grind mark and partial obliteration of the markings I stand by my it is sentimental value mostly and a 600 dollar gun in the current market.

MajorD
02-10-2011, 10:14
fyi 1918 or so and earlier guns had the prop mark on the left side of the dust cover where the pic shows a partiall removed mark. in late 1918 switched to abocve serial number on right side of frame where it stayed for the remainder of production. and yes ALL USGI frames had U.S. Property markings as built.