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faawrenchbndr
02-09-2011, 14:24
Is it the manufacturer?
Is it the Pistolsmith that tweaks a base 1911?

I think a base model Kimber, Springfield or Colt...... can be made into a high end 1911.

What about a Taurus? Could it EVER be massaged enough to be considered high end? :dunno:

Quack
02-09-2011, 14:26
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

MD357
02-09-2011, 14:27
Well it doesn't matter, my $800 Kimber is just as good. I'll show you right now!!! Let's go to the range and I'll run em round for round!!

tx787
02-09-2011, 14:27
It's the quality of the components and the workmanship that went in to making it. A really good gunsmith can build a high end 1911 out of a basic 1911 but you need to start with a quality frame otherwise it's not happening no matter how much bling and polish you add.

bac1023
02-09-2011, 14:29
Well it doesn't matter, my $800 Kimber is just as good. I'll show you right now!!! Let's go to the range and I'll run em round for round!!

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
02-09-2011, 14:31
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Pretty much.

However, not all high dollar 1911s are high end models. An example would be an old Union Switch USGI. High price, but not high end in terms of fitting or features.

Hokie1911
02-09-2011, 14:33
Well it doesn't matter, my $800 Kimber is just as good. I'll show you right now!!! Let's go to the range and I'll run em round for round!!

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bac1023
02-09-2011, 14:36
What about a Taurus? Could it EVER be massaged enough to be considered high end? :dunno:

I never heard of a notable custom smith working on a PT. I also never heard of someone wanting a notable smith to work on a PT, but you never know. Once you get rid of all that junk they slopped on there, you do have a forged frame and slide. Personally, I think only an idiot would dump money into a Taurus.

Also, "garage smithing" even your Kimber, Springfield, or Colt with high end parts is not going to make it worth any more than it was stock. In fact, many times its worth less.

Ruggles
02-09-2011, 14:39
I never heard of a notable custom smith working on a PT. I also never heard of someone wanting a notable smith to work on a PT, but you never know. Once you get rid of all that junk they slopped on there, you do have a forged frame and slide. Personally, I think only an idiot would dump money into a Taurus.

Also, "garage smithing" even your Kimber, Springfield, or Colt with high end parts is not going to make it worth any more than it was stock. In fact, many times its worth less.

Maybe they could fix up a Taurus 1911 but if that custom smith messes with the gold accents on my Taurus 1911 I'll have his ass. :steamed:

gpo1956
02-09-2011, 15:41
Sorry, but if you spend $2500 having a smith do a full house job on a Taurus, then you'll immediatley have $600 full house custom Taurus.

bac1023
02-09-2011, 16:04
Maybe they could fix up a Taurus 1911 but if that custom smith messes with the gold accents on my Taurus 1911 I'll have his ass. :steamed:

:rofl:

Rinspeed
02-09-2011, 16:59
To me it all depends on if the builder is smart enough to run a Bridgeport or he has to send his machine work out to Pete Single. Afterall if a smith can't run a milling machine he probably doesn't belong on the world's top ten list. :whistling: :rofl:

glock2740
02-09-2011, 17:16
To me it all depends on if the builder is smart enough to run a Bridgeport or he has to send his machine work out to Pete Single. Afterall if a smith can't run a milling machine he probably doesn't belong on the world's top ten list. :whistling: :rofl:
And does he admit that he sent it to Pete? Or does he let you think that he did it? Pete is one of the best at what he does for sure.

PlasticGuy
02-09-2011, 17:33
Well it doesn't matter, my $800 Kimber is just as good. I'll show you right now!!! Let's go to the range and I'll run em round for round!!
I just laughed so hard I think I peed a little. :rofl:

CAcop
02-09-2011, 17:56
A high end gun is going to have good parts fit to the best of a good smith's ability and finished in an attractive manner.

knedrgr
02-09-2011, 19:09
Similar to a high-end production car verses a custom coach builder.

rsxr22
02-09-2011, 20:20
A high end gun is high end.... if this guy says so!
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Quack
02-09-2011, 20:24
anything that has "Tactical" or "Combat" in the name :animlol:

GeorgiaRedfish
02-09-2011, 20:27
anything that has "Tactical" or "Combat" in the name :animlol:
or Special Forces :whistling:

knedrgr
02-09-2011, 21:30
anything that has "Tactical" or "Combat" in the name :animlol:

Don't you mean "Custom"? :supergrin:

Quack
02-09-2011, 21:34
Don't you mean "Custom"? :supergrin:

nope, the shops with "Custom" in the name are less than the shops with "Tactical" and "Combat" in the name.

bac1023
02-09-2011, 21:37
nope, the shops with "Custom" in the name are less than the shops with "Tactical" and "Combat" in the name.

No doubt ;)

20South
02-09-2011, 22:06
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venenoindy
02-11-2011, 01:25
Im no expert or claim to know much about 1911's but to me a high end 1911 is one that comes with great quality parts and fitting without any custom changes (production guns with some hand fitting) , A custom 1911 is either build from a frame and slide or a base gun with especific features that the owner needs or wants but that is just my opinion.

JBJ16
02-11-2011, 03:32
As someone said before, the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ you spend on it re: the following

Start with the most expensive:
1. Frame
2.Slide
3.Barrel
4. Internal Parts and pins
5. Springs
6. Adjustable or fixed (night) sights

Commission the Most Expensive gunsmith/custom shop to build, fit, sight-in your 1911

Specify and have it applied with the most expensive, attractive,durable gun finish ever invented on earth

Have it Certified as compliant with the TDP of "The High End 1911".

and lastly, have your publicist advertise it worldwide as "The High End 1911"


Now I can't think of any 1911 more high end, except maybe the gold accented Taurus PT1911:tongueout:

tnhawk
02-11-2011, 08:07
Sorry, but if you spend $2500 having a smith do a full house job on a Taurus, then you'll immediatley have $600 full house custom Taurus.

+1 :dunno: A Taurus will always be a Taurus

BuckyP
02-11-2011, 08:39
As someone said before, the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ you spend on it re: the following

Start with the most expensive:
1. Frame
2.Slide
3.Barrel
4. Internal Parts and pins
5. Springs
6. Adjustable or fixed (night) sights


Unless you are talking high caps, the slide is usually more $$ than the frame.

Big_Grumpy
02-11-2011, 10:11
I always wondered if the quality of the steel itself is better in the the more pricey ones. But yeah, I'd assume overall you're paying for fit and finish.

PlasticGuy
02-11-2011, 10:52
I always wondered if the quality of the steel itself is better in the the more pricey ones. But yeah, I'd assume overall you're paying for fit and finish.
The steel may be higher quality in the frame, slide and barrel. Then again, it may not be. Where you get the biggest improvements in materials uses is with the small parts. The difference can be huge in that department. And then yes, the fit and finish is the largest source of price difference. Materials add some to cost, but labor adds a lot more cost.