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security79
03-01-2011, 12:50
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_tennessee_shariah_law

pknimrod
03-01-2011, 12:54
Vote getting gimmick! if this is the most important item on their agenda.....
Peter.

HerrGlock
03-01-2011, 12:57
Any part of that that restricts any religious followings that does NOT conflict with the federal, state, or local laws will be thrown out. Odds are the rest of it will too, just for good measure.

chrishurley87
03-01-2011, 13:00
I don't see how that can pass/hold up as it is a violation of the Constitution. As much as I dislike fanatical Muslims, they're entitled to believe whatever they want. If those beliefs result in braking other laws; ie: perpetuating violence towards others or attempting to overthrow the government, well that's why those laws are there.

Santa CruZin
03-01-2011, 13:04
What I find dangerous about this bill is it implies credence to perceived legitimacy of Sharia as an alternative to American law. A crime is a crime, no matter what religious flag you wave in front of your justifications. I would never legitimize Sharia by banning it because it already has no merit for proving for guilt or innocence when considering criminal complaints. Sharia is nothing but a shield for common criminals to hide behind and in my opinion has no basis in our court system for any purpose. If we ban it, it will be defended and if the ban is overturned (as our present administration would likely do), what is the end result? A stronger Sharia foothold in our court system than we started with? No thanks.

Put the scumbag in jail because he beat his wife, not because he did it out of his religious "principals".

chrishurley87
03-01-2011, 13:27
What I find dangerous about this bill is it implies credence to perceived legitimacy of Sharia as an alternative to American law. A crime is a crime, no matter what religious flag you wave in front of your justifications. I would never legitimize Sharia by banning it because it already has no merit for proving for guilt or innocence when considering criminal complaints. Sharia is nothing but a shield for common criminals to hide behind and in my opinion has no basis in our court system for any purpose. If we ban it, it will be defended and if the ban is overturned (as our present administration would likely do), what is the end result? A stronger Sharia foothold in our court system than we started with? No thanks.

Put the scumbag in jail because he beat his wife, not because he did it out of his religious "principals".

Very well said.

Mushinto
03-01-2011, 13:32
I oppose all feel-good laws, on principle.

Even though, this one makes me feel good.

voyager4520
03-01-2011, 14:24
Stoning someone to death isn't already a crime?

RustyShackelford
03-01-2011, 14:40
I don't see how that can pass/hold up as it is a violation of the Constitution. As much as I dislike fanatical Muslims, they're entitled to believe whatever they want. If those beliefs result in braking other laws; ie: perpetuating violence towards others or attempting to overthrow the government, well that's why those laws are there.

What I find dangerous about this bill is it implies credence to perceived legitimacy of Sharia as an alternative to American law. A crime is a crime, no matter what religious flag you wave in front of your justifications. I would never legitimize Sharia by banning it because it already has no merit for proving for guilt or innocence when considering criminal complaints. Sharia is nothing but a shield for common criminals to hide behind and in my opinion has no basis in our court system for any purpose. If we ban it, it will be defended and if the ban is overturned (as our present administration would likely do), what is the end result? A stronger Sharia foothold in our court system than we started with? No thanks.

Put the scumbag in jail because he beat his wife, not because he did it out of his religious "principals".

Well said.

JK-linux
03-01-2011, 14:57
I agree that singling it out gives it veracity. I'd rather see a bill that forbids consideration of any religious tenets in legals decisions. Any religion, culture or philosophy that is recognized as a valid influence for the outcome of legal dispositions is not a good thing in my opinion.

crimsonaudio
03-02-2011, 15:58
Don't suppose anyone actaully took the time to even read the bill summary...

DESIGNATION
Under this bill, the attorney general may designate an organization as a sharia organization if the attorney general finds that:
(1) The organization knowingly adheres to sharia;
(2) The organization engages in, or retains the capability and intent to engage in, an act of terrorism; and
(3) The act of terrorism of the organization threatens the security or public safety of this state's residents.

This bill defines "sharia" as the set of rules, precepts, instructions, or edicts which are said to emanate directly or indirectly from the god of Allah or the prophet Mohammed and which include directly or indirectly the encouragement of any person to support the abrogation, destruction, or violation of the United States or Tennessee Constitutions, or the destruction of the national existence of the United States or the sovereignty of this state, and which includes among other methods to achieve these ends, the likely use of imminent violence.

Yah, let's pass judgement based on what some reporter says...

Kingarthurhk
03-04-2011, 05:39
Any part of that that restricts any religious followings that does NOT conflict with the federal, state, or local laws will be thrown out. Odds are the rest of it will too, just for good measure.

Pretty much. The First Amendment freedom of religion, at least for the moment, still exists. You can't legislate someone not to keep their faith just because you don't like it.

I disagree with a a lot of religions. That doesn't mean I am pompous enough to decide that I must "force" others to believe as I do under the color of law.

The whole thing is idiotic.

RichardB
03-12-2011, 09:00
This is the first time I've read that Tennessee was a Mecca for Islamic fundamentalists and its citizens all needed this protection. This is BS.

Next on the legislative agenda: Do something about the religious rattlesnakes of Tennessee.

Yeah, right.

Peace Frog
03-12-2011, 13:52
We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:
The Japanese were loyal and wanted to fight for America.Then after the war they didn't go crying to anybody wanting reparations for being in camps.Look at those crybaby ****ing muslims crying about a little abuse they deserved in prison,that's if it really happened...which I doubt.:supergrin:

But of course it will never happen,the US and the bleeding heart liberals will continue to say that islam is a peaceful religion and they will one day rule this land too.

Enjoy!

:wavey:

Kingarthurhk
03-13-2011, 17:12
We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:
The Japanese were loyal and wanted to fight for America.Then after the war they didn't go crying to anybody wanting reparations for being in camps.Look at those crybaby ****ing muslims crying about a little abuse they deserved in prison,that's if it really happened...which I doubt.:supergrin:

But of course it will never happen,the US and the bleeding heart liberals will continue to say that islam is a peaceful religion and they will one day rule this land too.

Enjoy!

:wavey:

Wow, this is a really dumb statement. Once you decide you are going to violate the civil rights of a group because of their religious belief system, you open the door to have it done to you, and anyone else who may not be "popular" at the time. The Bill of Rights exists for a reason, apparenlty in this case, to protect others from people like you.

Peace Frog
03-14-2011, 18:05
Wow, this is a really dumb statement. Once you decide you are going to violate the civil rights of a group because of their religious belief system, you open the door to have it done to you, and anyone else who may not be "popular" at the time. The Bill of Rights exists for a reason, apparenlty in this case, to protect others from people like you.

Open the door?Its already happening to Christians...Wake up!

muslims don't deserve any rights.Study their so called religion (which its not) and you may have your eyes opened...then again maybe you won't.:whistling:

Watch this documentary...then tell me if you still believe they are a religion of peace.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Islam_What_the_West_Needs_to_Know/70074937?trkid=496624#height1912

TN.Frank
03-14-2011, 22:09
Jewish law isn't much different, people were stoned to death for a number of things.
Up until the 1700's Christians would burn, stone or "press" to death people that went against their believes.
Can't see where Muslim law is much different. Just think they need time to evolve and move out of their killing ways same as the Jews and Christians did.

Peace Frog
03-15-2011, 14:45
Jewish law isn't much different, people were stoned to death for a number of things.
Up until the 1700's Christians would burn, stone or "press" to death people that went against their believes.
Can't see where Muslim law is much different. Just think they need time to evolve and move out of their killing ways same as the Jews and Christians did.

So the muslims are only a few hundred years behind...that's a good thing?

Also where did the Christians burn,stone and press non believers in the 1700's?Not saying it didn't happen,just would like a little history lesson.And if they did they went against everything Jesus preached and taught.The Bible does not condone these acts.
On the other hand the koran does condone killing non believers...all of them.

RichardB
03-15-2011, 21:24
Salem Massachusetts?

Can you gives us a specific citation in the Koran where those ugly things are Oked?

AlexHassin
03-15-2011, 21:32
Open the door?Its already happening to Christians...Wake up!

muslims don't deserve any rights.Study their so called religion (which its not) and you may have your eyes opened...then again maybe you won't.:whistling:

Watch this documentary...then tell me if you still believe they are a religion of peace.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Islam_What_the_West_Needs_to_Know/70074937?trkid=496624#height1912

We should also round up the fundamentalist Christians with there so called religion (which it is not). Seriously look at what those people believe. And they form hate groups like the WBC, and some of them even use religion as a justification for terrorism.
Once set a precedent can really suck. Also religion and peace is that not an oxymoron?

Peace Frog
03-16-2011, 07:48
We should also round up the fundamentalist Christians with there so called religion (which it is not). Seriously look at what those people believe. And they form hate groups like the WBC, and some of them even use religion as a justification for terrorism.
Once set a precedent can really suck. Also religion and peace is that not an oxymoron?

That's a group of people using the name Christian to terrorize.I agree round them up too.

Peace Frog
03-16-2011, 07:56
Salem Massachusetts?

Can you gives us a specific citation in the Koran where those ugly things are Oked?
I could give you over a hundred but google it.
And if you watch the documentary I linked to in a earlier post and thread it will open your eyes.

Salem Ma.? The witch trials?Come on now.

Just study islam and the koran.

AlexHassin
03-16-2011, 08:02
That's a group of people using the name Christian to terrorize.I agree round them up too.

Interesting why the group verses all? applying your logic if there was a group of Christian terrorist we should round up all the Christians and put them in camps. Thatís right all of them in you little world, form the little kids to the evil conspiring grandmas.

Peace Frog
03-16-2011, 11:34
Interesting why the group verses all? applying your logic if there was a group of Christian terrorist we should round up all the Christians and put them in camps. That’s right all of them in you little world, form the little kids to the evil conspiring grandmas.

Not the same.
The Bible does not teach one to kill non believers if they do not convert.
The koran does.That's a world of difference.
islam is a danger to everybody who does not convert.
The documentary explains it very well.Interviews some former muslim terrorists who do a excellent job of explaining.

I found a link on Google Video where you and others could watch it if you don't have Netflix.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781#

AlexHassin
03-16-2011, 11:44
Not the same.
The Bible does not teach one to kill non believers if they do not convert.
The koran does.That's a world of difference.
islam is a danger to everybody who does not convert.
The documentary explains it very well.Interviews some former muslim terrorists who do a excellent job of explaining.

No some just take it as an implication outside the bible
like every text up for interpretation, some see it as a nessesity for war, others missionary activity like alot of religions. english to arabic can be confusing.:dunno:
I donít know your read the bible and thatís some pretty fíd up stuff to they think people should/must do. both religions, sorry all religions, have groups and past incidents that are less then pleasant, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, pogams, ect ect . I donít think its anymore accurate to judge an entire religion by a few nuts that take it too far then it is to judge gun owners based on the acts of a few that commit crimes with guns. The reality is that fundamentalism and literalism in religion, any religion, does not belong in the modern state

Peace Frog
03-16-2011, 15:51
No some just take it as an implication outside the bible
like every text up for interpretation, some see it as a nessesity for war, others missionary activity like alot of religions. english to arabic can be confusing.:dunno:
I donít know your read the bible and thatís some pretty fíd up stuff to they think people should/must do. both religions, sorry all religions, have groups and past incidents that are less then pleasant, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, pogams, ect ect . I donít think its anymore accurate to judge an entire religion by a few nuts that take it too far then it is to judge gun owners based on the acts of a few that commit crimes with guns. The reality is that fundamentalism and literalism in religion, any religion, does not belong in the modern state

I do read the Bible.I go to a Apostolic Pentecostal Church.Yes the Old Testament people were stoned to death and killed in various other ways because Jesus had not died on the Cross for our sins.He redeemed us by taking all our sin.
Yes we still sin,until the day we die we will.We should not strive to sin but strive to be more like Christ.

The koran has none of that.Its either you convert or you should be killed.God gives us free will.If we choose to not accept Christ then we will die a second death.
Did you watch the video? :dunno:

Kingarthurhk
03-16-2011, 18:17
Open the door?Its already happening to Christians...Wake up!

muslims don't deserve any rights.Study their so called religion (which its not) and you may have your eyes opened...then again maybe you won't.:whistling:

Watch this documentary...then tell me if you still believe they are a religion of peace.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Islam_What_the_West_Needs_to_Know/70074937?trkid=496624#height1912

I am failing to see anything Christian about you, are you making the claim to be a follower of Christ?

Peace Frog
03-16-2011, 20:53
I am failing to see anything Christian about you, are you making the claim to be a follower of Christ?

That's your problem.

You know me from a few posts on the internet,that's it.I'm 46 years old and you have no clue about my life.
In my opinion you're a commie but you know what they say about opinions. :wavey:

AlexHassin
03-16-2011, 22:09
I do read the Bible.I go to a Apostolic Pentecostal Church.Yes the Old Testament people were stoned to death and killed in various other ways because Jesus had not died on the Cross for our sins.He redeemed us by taking all our sin.
Yes we still sin,until the day we die we will.We should not strive to sin but strive to be more like Christ.

The koran has none of that.Its either you convert or you should be killed.God gives us free will.If we choose to not accept Christ then we will die a second death.
Did you watch the video? :dunno:

If I get time at some point I will watch it. Unfortunately papers on Ataturk donít write themselves:faint:. Honestly I try to understand world religions but they are all Greek to me. Torah, Bible, Koran, (the Abraham religions) they all sound nicer on paper then in reality. And the more serious the person takes it, the more they seem to lose their humanity in this quest to preach and spread there religion. I have basically boiled it down to recalling the big ones in the middle east (some Islamic sects, Druze, Maronite) and having no clue what an Apostolic Pentecostal Church is. If anything in this world religion is a blinding force. Sadly often the religion of another group of people is blinding individuals any differences in the group so in their minds they are all this horrible stereotype. It would be just as easy for me to see all Christians as horrible people like the ones that almost killed a friend of mine because of where and what she does for work, but there are so many good people out there along with the bad ones.

RichardB
03-17-2011, 04:40
[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17031578]We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:

How does your proposed action fit in with Jesus' message of love?

You failed to note that the roundup of Japanese was a horrendous mistake based on ignorance and prejudice, not because of any threat by them to our country. The anti Japanese hysteria in 1942 was pretty widespread as was the anti communist hysteria of the late 1940s and 1950s. Despite what the noisy politicians were saying the Reds did not stand a chance of taking us over. Have the schools failed to teach the lessons of history?

I once went to a fundamentalist church where the preacher told us that Rev Billy Graham was a dangerous liberal and that only 144,000 or so would be taken to heaven at the end of time.

While I still live a pretty straight life, now as an adult I am no longer with the holier than thou set and I realize that, if slightly twisted and misdirected, religion can be a force for evil. We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 07:56
[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17031578]We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:

How does your proposed action fit in with Jesus' message of love?

You failed to note that the roundup of Japanese was a horrendous mistake based on ignorance and prejudice, not because of any threat by them to our country. The anti Japanese hysteria in 1942 was pretty widespread as was the anti communist hysteria of the late 1940s and 1950s. Despite what the noisy politicians were saying the Reds did not stand a chance of taking us over. Have the schools failed to teach the lessons of history?

I once went to a fundamentalist church where the preacher told us that Rev Billy Graham was a dangerous liberal and that only 144,000 or so would be taken to heaven at the end of time.

While I still live a pretty straight life, now as an adult I am no longer with the holier than thou set and I realize that, if slightly twisted and misdirected, religion can be a force for evil. We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.
Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 08:08
[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17031578] We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.

The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.

TN.Frank
03-17-2011, 08:27
[QUOTE=RichardB;17058765]

The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.

Probably because a woman would be stoned to death for having an abortion and killing her unborn baby. No such law here in the U.S. where abortions are at an all time high.

I think my point was that ALL religions go through their Legalistic phase where they enforce their laws upon other people "for the peoples own good". Hebrews wiped entires cities off the face of the map and killed men, women and babies in the Old Testament. Puritans used many passages from the OT to put to death Witches, disobedient children, adulterers, ect.
Was it right, NO, did it happen, YES.
Give time, if Islam is to survive, the radicals will disappear and the moderate Muslims will end up taking back their religion, same as took place with the Jews and Christians.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Puritans_dark_Side.htm
http://www.celebrateboston.com/crime/puritan-capital-punishment.htm

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 08:36
[QUOTE=RichardB;17058765]
Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.

Religion and peace, after studying religion shouldnít you relies thatís an oxymoron? Religions are all radical and such until they have power then its all about fallowing the status quote ( the behave after life benefits, change in focus from a jealous god to a loving one)

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 08:41
[QUOTE=RichardB;17058765]

The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.

Not mutually exclusive. Also it we are going to look at populations in underdeveloped countries or that have recently left underdeveloped countries that birthrate is not abnormal. Usually cultural norms develop to encourage large families when the infant mortality rate is high and these usually stay in the culture for a while even after the infant mortality rate changes.

Kegs
03-17-2011, 08:42
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_tennessee_shariah_law

The idiocy of Tennessee doesn't even surprise me anymore.

I have met some nice smart people in the state, but by far my experiences there are the closest real life example of Idiocracy I have ever witnessed.

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 08:52
[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17059273]

Probably because a woman would be stoned to death for having an abortion and killing her unborn baby. No such law here in the U.S. where abortions are at an all time high.

I think my point was that ALL religions go through their Legalistic phase where they enforce their laws upon other people "for the peoples own good". Hebrews wiped entires cities off the face of the map and killed men, women and babies in the Old Testament. Puritans used many passages from the OT to put to death Witches, disobedient children, adulterers, ect.
Was it right, NO, did it happen, YES.
Give time, if Islam is to survive, the radicals will disappear and the moderate Muslims will end up taking back their religion, same as took place with the Jews and Christians.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Puritans_dark_Side.htm
http://www.celebrateboston.com/crime/puritan-capital-punishment.htm
I agree somewhat but there is no "Legalistic phase" in islam.In the OT of the Bible we were promised a redeemer,no such thing in the koran.
[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17059226]

Religion and peace, after studying religion shouldnít you relies thatís an oxymoron? Religions are all radical and such until they have power then its all about fallowing the status quote ( the behave after life benefits, change in focus from a jealous god to a loving one)

Yeah ok.

You folks have lived with muslims in a muslim country?

You folks who try and compare islam with not just Christianity but any other religion go right on ahead.The day is coming when you will not be able to deny how evil muslims are.

I'll let you bleeding heart peaceful folks alone to praise your muslim "faith".

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 09:03
Yeah ok.

You folks have lived with muslims in a muslim country?
Egypt i think whould count ( i have heard some one argue " its to seculer to count"). so yes. Also i have lived in some pretty Muslim sections of NYC, and dated a girl from Sudan once. honestly one of my favorite ex's.
You folks who try and compare islam with not just Christianity but any other religion go right on ahead.The day is coming when you will not be able to deny how evil muslims are.
hey i am one of the first to say there are evil people in religions, i just point at the evil ones in every religion i can
I'll let you bleeding heart peaceful folks alone to praise your muslim "faith".
faith, i am a as athist as they come, hell i was raised athist, FTW.

TN.Frank
03-17-2011, 09:06
On a similar note, I really do think that Islam is the religion of the Beast and the False Profit. If you look at the 12th Imam and the roll that he plays
http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm
he looks for all the world like the Beast of Revelations.
I don't think any religious law should be banned but if that law breaks Common Law(i.e. killing someone for leaving the faith, ect.) then the people responsible should be tried for murder under Common Law.

P.S.
AlexHassin, why does your "quote" in your post make it look like I was the one that posted it? I didn't in case you've not noticed. It was a quote from Peace Frog.

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 12:04
P.S.
AlexHassin, why does your "quote" in your post make it look like I was the one that posted it? I didn't in case you've not noticed. It was a quote from Peace Frog.
sorry, thats strage, i fixed it.

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 12:26
faith, i am a as athist as they come, hell i was raised athist, FTW.

Your choice.See how easy that is for a Christian to say that to you then not have to kill you because you didn't convert?

Now if a muslim tries and gets you to convert to islam and you tell him no way man,I'm a atheist. According to the koran he/she would have to kill you.
Cool...No?

BTW I mean live with muslims,not in a muslim country.

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 12:40
Your choice.See how easy that is for a Christian to say that to you then not have to kill you because you didn't convert?

Now if a muslim tries and gets you to convert to islam and you tell him no way man,I'm a atheist. According to the koran he/she would have to kill you.
Cool...No?

BTW I mean live with muslims,not in a muslim country.

Actually I have had a lot just shrug and not care, to a number of other highly non violent and often curious responses. A few weird looks and some ďstrangeĒ replies,. I sometimes spend the night at my aunt in Brooklyn that is Muslims house. Also spent a few nights staying whit some Egyptian friends in sham-el at their house. A few times I whish Christian prothetizizers would whip out a glock and go to town after being stuck on the bus with them too long. ( really is it necessary all the way to Burlington Vermont?)

Kingarthurhk
03-17-2011, 17:00
[QUOTE=RichardB;17058765]
Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.

If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 18:02
If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.

Ok Mr.CIA man.

:upeyes:

Peace Frog
03-17-2011, 18:32
If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.

Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?

AlexHassin
03-17-2011, 20:50
Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?

Ok religious man how do you know that some other religion does not have the true god and you are fallowing the false idol like you think they are?

Kingarthurhk
03-18-2011, 04:33
Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?

So, you're opinion of being a follower of Jesus is to destroy and torture all other competing religions? If that were the case would Jesus have offered salvation of the Gentile woman, or killed her? Would He have cast out the demon from the Greek woman's daughter, or killed them both? Please provide for me a biblical example of Jesus, a disciple, or an apostle who, instead of preaching and proseltyzing went around abusing and slaughtering "gentile" religions? Of course you may mention Saul, but after Jesus struck Him blind and he was converted and became Paul, he no longer praticed persecution.

What you are advocating is wholesale persecution. This spirit does not come from God, but from Satan.

Peace Frog
03-18-2011, 06:14
So, you're opinion of being a follower of Jesus is to destroy and torture all other competing religions? If that were the case would Jesus have offered salvation of the Gentile woman, or killed her? Would He have cast out the demon from the Greek woman's daughter, or killed them both? Please provide for me a biblical example of Jesus, a disciple, or an apostle who, instead of preaching and proseltyzing went around abusing and slaughtering "gentile" religions? Of course you may mention Saul, but after Jesus struck Him blind and he was converted and became Paul, he no longer praticed persecution.
What you are advocating is wholesale persecution. This spirit does not come from God, but from Satan.
Quote my post in this thread where I said I would destroy and torture musims.
Jesus indeed offered salvation to these you mentioned but you left out the part where He said "go and sin no more".
You have a serious reading comprehension problem.Again quote my post in this thread where I said abusing and slaughtering people.
You are a bleeding heart liberal who is touchy feely and doesn't want to offend anybody unless you see them as mean people.The things you made up that I wrote in this thread are the things the muslims will do to you.But you're to blind to see.You mingle with these folks and other "religions" but Christ said to separate yourself.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord.


Ok since you avoided my question can you answer it now or am I the only one between you and me who is doing the answering and you making stuff up (which is called lying and also a sin)?

Peace Frog
03-18-2011, 07:21
Ok religious man how do you know that some other religion does not have the true god and you are fallowing the false idol like you think they are?

LOL...

I am not a "religious person".You will find most "religious people" as fake or evil as they come.

Now how do I know because God said.These other "religions" do not preach God sent us His Son to die for our sins and its a gift.All we have to do is accept Him and separate from the evils of this world.You'd have to be a believer to understand.

God said any other god is a false god.He is everything good and He gives people freewill to choose.He is The Ancient of Days.
I rejected Him for many years,I fought in a war that I was so brutal it scared me and I don't scare easily.Death never scared me and still doesn't,I've been on my deathbed a few times for health reasons in the past few years.But what does scare me is the second death,one without the Honor to worship God.

Peace Frog
03-18-2011, 10:20
and having no clue what an Apostolic Pentecostal Church is. .

http://newlifeapostolicchurch.homestead.com/

I'm not in any pic or videos because I'm the black sheep...:rofl:
I have a beard and Apostolic preachers say its a form of rebellion.I disagree.Oh well. :faint:

Kingarthurhk
03-18-2011, 16:35
Quote my post in this thread where I said I would destroy and torture musims.




Here you go:

We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:
The Japanese were loyal and wanted to fight for America.Then after the war they didn't go crying to anybody wanting reparations for being in camps.Look at those crybaby ****ing muslims crying about a little abuse they deserved in prison,that's if it really happened...which I doubt.:supergrin:

But of course it will never happen,the US and the bleeding heart liberals will continue to say that islam is a peaceful religion and they will one day rule this land too.

Enjoy!

:wavey:

Peace Frog
03-18-2011, 20:14
Here you go:

That's it?When did I say we should torture or destroy?I questioned if they really were tortured.And nowhere did I say slaughter or abuse.So you lied.Rounding up muslims is not a slaughter or torture,its the right thing to do.That way we can keep a eye on those evil people.

And you continue to dodge my questions about your Christian faith.And that's because you know you are wrong and not only that you know you lied several times in this thread about me.
Why not answer my questions about your Christian loyalty?

I answer yours but you dodge mine.

You have serious mental problems and I encourage you to seek treatment after you turn over all your firearms to a family member or police department until you show improvement in your mental health.

Good luck.

RichardB
03-19-2011, 07:27
We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork. :rofl:........

:wavey:

"That's it? When did I say we should torture or destroy? I questioned if they really were tortured.And nowhere did I say slaughter or abuse. So you lied. Rounding up muslims is not a slaughter or torture,its the right thing to do.That way we can keep a eye on those evil people."

Some of the posts in this thread badly need an enema.

Why did you suggest sending them to Chelyabinsk, Russia? At last report it is not a health resort nor a tourist destination.

One of Chelyabinsk's international sister cities is Columbia, South Carolina; is that where you really meant for them to go?

PS: By the way Muslims are not evil people (at least the ones I met and worked with, of course I can't speak about your friends).

Peace Frog
03-19-2011, 07:37
"That's it? When did I say we should torture or destroy? I questioned if they really were tortured.And nowhere did I say slaughter or abuse. So you lied. Rounding up muslims is not a slaughter or torture,its the right thing to do.That way we can keep a eye on those evil people."

Some of the posts in this thread badly need an enema.

Why did you suggest sending them to Chelyabinsk, Russia? At last report it is not a health resort nor a tourist destination.

One of Chelyabinsk's international sister cities is Columbia, South Carolina; is that where you really meant for them to go?

PS: By the way Muslims are not evil people (at least the ones I met and worked with, of course I can't speak about your friends).
Because few people live there and muslims would have a place of their own.

I don't have any muslim friends.Before I knew the truth about muslims I did but they tried to kill me and my friends from England.Granted it was a war zone but traitors anyway.They were working for the RUF,even turned their own family over to them knowing they would be cut to pieces.
Enjoy your muslim "friends". But always watch your six around any muslim.Good luck.

Peace Frog
03-19-2011, 07:43
I want to know why Kingarthurhk won't answer one of my questions about where his true faith is.I'm thinking you have mental problems or you are a muslim?Or both? :dunno:

I've answered yours.

RichardB
03-19-2011, 08:37
"Because few people live there and muslims would have a place of their own." Peace Frog.

Cynical me, I though you had chosen Chelyabinsk because of the nuclear accidents there: There was even a film about it named "CHELYABINSK :
The Most Contaminated Spot on the Planet"

http://www.logtv.com/films/chelyabinsk/

I apologize that I did not initially understand your honorable intentions.

Peace Frog
03-19-2011, 08:56
"Because few people live there and muslims would have a place of their own." Peace Frog.

Cynical me, I though you had chosen Chelyabinsk because of the nuclear accidents there: There was even a film about it named "CHELYABINSK :
The Most Contaminated Spot on the Planet"

http://www.logtv.com/films/chelyabinsk/

I apologize that I did not initially understand your honorable intentions.

No need to apologize.Everybody makes mistakes.

Peace Frog
03-19-2011, 18:55
Kingarthurhk are you not going to defend your Christian faith?I'm thinking you are really a muslim deceiving like the koran teaches you to do.

I just asked a few simple questions of you.I answered your questions but you avoid mine.You do know what the Bible says about that?...No?

Well you muslim loving bleeding hearts have a Blessed day.I'm out of this thread.

:wavey:

AlexHassin
03-19-2011, 19:10
LOL...

I am not a "religious person".You will find most "religious people" as fake or evil as they come.

Now how do I know because God said.These other "religions" do not preach God sent us His Son to die for our sins and its a gift.All we have to do is accept Him and separate from the evils of this world.You'd have to be a believer to understand.

God said any other god is a false god.He is everything good and He gives people freewill to choose.He is The Ancient of Days.
I rejected Him for many years,I fought in a war that I was so brutal it scared me and I don't scare easily.Death never scared me and still doesn't,I've been on my deathbed a few times for health reasons in the past few years.But what does scare me is the second death,one without the Honor to worship God.

LOL God Said!!!! Everyoneís God says stuff.
Most polytheistic religions ( I do not know any that do not) say that there right because there god/book said so. Nothing special to Christianity there.
Different religions offer different things. Christianity this dyeing for mans sin, deal. If that validates it before other reasons we must also invalidate it because of what it does not offer. Seriously no reincarnation. Must be fake.

Kingarthurhk
03-20-2011, 06:23
I want to know why Kingarthurhk won't answer one of my questions about where his true faith is.I'm thinking you have mental problems or you are a muslim?Or both? :dunno:

I've answered yours.

I believe in the United States Constitution. One I have sworn to uphold and defend. If you were a soldier, as you claim, you took the same oath. And, now, you are apparently turning your back on it, because you are biggoted toward a certain faith. There are many faiths I have issues with, but I would never advocate violating their consciences by compelling them to violate their belief systems, such as you suggested, by forcing them to eat pork. I would never think of ending their lives by relegating them to a contaminated wasteland, because I disagree with them.

I wouldn't do that to you. Even though, you would clearly do that to others.

Your intended actions are neither that of a patriot or a Christian. I have nothing to defend for standing on the side of right. I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and He has never instructed me to do as you suggest to anyone. There is nowhere in the whole of the Bible that instructs to do as you suggest. There is one spirit by which you wrote the things you did, and it is not of Jesus Christ. You have a lot of anger, anger is understandable.

When people shoot at you, you learn not to like them very much. I don't like the Mexican military, they used to shoot at me all the time. Now, do I want to round up all Hispanics and send them of a radioactive wateland because of it? No, I don't. Hispanics have a large population of Catholics. Should I force them all to violate their consciences by force as you would Muslims? No, I would not.

So, there, my angry, bitter friend, is your answer.

Peace Frog
03-20-2011, 10:00
I believe in the United States Constitution. One I have sworn to uphold and defend. If you were a soldier, as you claim, you took the same oath. And, now, you are apparently turning your back on it, because you are biggoted toward a certain faith. There are many faiths I have issues with, but I would never advocate violating their consciences by compelling them to violate their belief systems, such as you suggested, by forcing them to eat pork. I would never think of ending their lives by relegating them to a contaminated wasteland, because I disagree with them.

I wouldn't do that to you. Even though, you would clearly do that to others.

Your intended actions are neither that of a patriot or a Christian. I have nothing to defend for standing on the side of right. I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and He has never instructed me to do as you suggest to anyone. There is nowhere in the whole of the Bible that instructs to do as you suggest. There is one spirit by which you wrote the things you did, and it is not of Jesus Christ. You have a lot of anger, anger is understandable.

When people shoot at you, you learn not to like them very much. I don't like the Mexican military, they used to shoot at me all the time. Now, do I want to round up all Hispanics and send them of a radioactive wateland because of it? No, I don't. Hispanics have a large population of Catholics. Should I force them all to violate their consciences by force as you would Muslims? No, I would not.

So, there, my angry, bitter friend, is your answer.

Finally!

If you are really a Christian then you know Gods Law is first and foremost above even the Constitution! Also God teaches there are no other Gods but Him so therefore to a Christian there are no other faiths.I think you need to study your Bible more or switch Pastors.Exactly what church do you attend?Baptist,Catholic...?Nothing in the Bible stating there are other gods,just One!He is the way,the Truth and the Life...period,end of story!
So your "you're bigoted towards a certain faith" holds no water in Gods eyes.

I did serve my country from 1983-1986.But my time spent fighting muslims was with a PMC in 1995,hired by a legitimate government.I fought in Angola and Sierra Leone.All of those muslims were black,I don't want to kill all black people...in fact the other half of my family is black.Check this...Members of the RUF would roll into a village of people minding their own business.Shoot all the elders or chop their heads off.Then rape the babies,women and even some boys.Then round up all young boys as young as 8 years old and dope them up and stick a rifle in their hands to go kill...even kill their own family members.All in the name of islam.Now to you that's pretty cool but to me and other sane people that is genocide.Ungodly to say the least.

Again I say if you are a Christian you should know there are no other True Gods and therefore cannot be any other True faiths.
Are you a young Christian in the Lord?Do you go to a feel good church where they preach things not in the Bible?Seriously?Not trying to be sarcastic.
Justify your belief that there are other Gods out there and not just other gods.Because that's all they are to a Christian...false gods.

One True God my friend.

BTW since I asked you to tell me what church you attend its only fair I post mine first.
http://newlifeapostolicchurch.homestead.com/

If you really are a Christian then you're my brother.I apologize if I offended you in any way.

Kingarthurhk
03-20-2011, 10:24
Finally!

If you are really a Christian then you know Gods Law is first and foremost above even the Constitution! Also God teaches there are no other Gods but Him so therefore to a Christian there are no other faiths.I think you need to study your Bible more or switch Pastors.Exactly what church do you attend?Baptist,Catholic...?Nothing in the Bible stating there are other gods,just One!He is the way,the Truth and the Life...period,end of story!
So your "you're bigoted towards a certain faith" holds no water in Gods eyes.

I did serve my country from 1983-1986.But my time spent fighting muslims was with a PMC in 1995,hired by a legitimate government.I fought in Angola and Sierra Leone.All of those muslims were black,I don't want to kill all black people...in fact the other half of my family is black.Check this...Members of the RUF would roll into a village of people minding their own business.Shoot all the elders or chop their heads off.Then rape the babies,women and even some boys.Then round up all young boys as young as 8 years old and dope them up and stick a rifle in their hands to go kill...even kill their own family members.All in the name of islam.Now to you that's pretty cool but to me and other sane people that is genocide.Ungodly to say the least.

Again I say if you are a Christian you should know there are no other True Gods and therefore cannot be any other True faiths.
Are you a young Christian in the Lord?Do you go to a feel good church where they preach things not in the Bible?Seriously?Not trying to be sarcastic.
Justify your belief that there are other Gods out there and not just other gods.Because that's all they are to a Christian...false gods.

One True God my friend.

BTW since I asked you to tell me what church you attend its only fair I post mine first.
http://newlifeapostolicchurch.homestead.com/

If you really are a Christian then you're my brother.I apologize if I offended you in any way.

Have you read Fox's Book of Martyrs? The Catholic Church has commited religious genocide for centuries. By your logic they should all be imprisoned and sent off to a radioactive wasteland as well? God forbid.

Peace Frog
03-20-2011, 10:32
Have you read Fox's Book of Martyrs? The Catholic Church has commited religious genocide for centuries. By your logic they should all be imprisoned and sent off to a radioactive wasteland as well? God forbid.

No I haven't but I will put it on my list.Sounds interesting.

Do you read the KJV or another version of the Bible?I read KJV mainly but dabble in the 1611 KJV on occasion.Just curious.

AlexHassin
03-20-2011, 11:00
I did serve my country from 1983-1986.But my time spent fighting muslims was with a PMC in 1995,hired by a legitimate government.I fought in Angola and Sierra Leone.All of those muslims were black,I don't want to kill all black people...in fact the other half of my family is black.Check this...Members of the RUF would roll into a village of people minding their own business.Shoot all the elders or chop their heads off.Then rape the babies,women and even some boys.Then round up all young boys as young as 8 years old and dope them up and stick a rifle in their hands to go kill...even kill their own family members.All in the name of islam.Now to you that's pretty cool but to me and other sane people that is genocide.Ungodly to say the least.

.
sounds akin to the LRA in parts

Peace Frog
03-20-2011, 12:14
sounds akin to the LRA in parts

Something I agree with you on.

Kingarthurhk
03-20-2011, 12:20
No I haven't but I will put it on my list.Sounds interesting.

Do you read the KJV or another version of the Bible?I read KJV mainly but dabble in the 1611 KJV on occasion.Just curious.

I prefer NIV for clearer understanding.

robin48
04-23-2011, 13:17
[QUOTE=crimsonaudio;16973932]Don't suppose anyone actaully took the time to even read the bill summary...



Yah, let's pass judgement based on what some reporter says...[/QUOTEI agree. +1

AlexHassin
04-23-2011, 18:38
Finally!

If you are really a Christian then you know Gods Law is first and foremost above even the Constitution! .


So are you an anti-American infiltrator, or just falsely took the oath.

Ironbar
04-27-2011, 23:02
Testing

AlexHassin
04-28-2011, 21:03
teasting, things just got more interesting
She's dressed in a vest pin, double-breasted holster
A very western toaster, she ain't nothing Kosher

cant resist, too tired

cminzey
05-17-2011, 16:15
If we are not careful Shariah law will be in all states and will eventially take over which is what the Muslims have been wanting all along, It needs to be banned here along with the Arab face covering for women, I can't tell you how many times at the gym that the Muslim women are allowed into the swimming pool in full dress but if a kids goes in with a Tshirt on it's a problem. The Muslims have way to many rights that we didn't get example in the Schools they now have foot baths In the Big three plants they have a prayer room

IlliniGlocker
09-02-2011, 02:40
Yup, Shariah law is no go, but shoving Judeo-Christian style morality (drugs, gay marriage, evolution as a theory, etc.) is AWESOME!

Gotta love the bigotry going around with the Republican party.