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Stephen A. Camp
03-06-2011, 22:24
Hello. I recently purchased a NIB SIG-Sauer P220 .45 ACP pistol. This one sports an accessory rail (something I could live without), and has the milled slide rather than the folded version with a pinned-in breech block. It also has the external extractor.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/hipowersandhandguns/Hipowersandhandguns2/NewSIG-SauerP220005.jpg
This P220 appears to be the "regular" version of this design. Several variations on the P220 theme are offered. This one came with textured grip panels which are thinner than in years past and I welcome the vertical serrations on the front grip strap. This P220 came with night sights as well as one extra stainless steel, 8-shot magazine. An older ('91-manufacture) P220 I have owned since '92 came with 7-shot magazines.

I have had a genuine fondness for these pistols since I bought my first one in 1991, after witnessing Texas Department of Public Safety Firearm Instructor, Lt. Reeves Jungkind (ret.) shoot some really tight groups off-hand at 50 yards with one using ammunition commercially-loaded with Speer's now discontinued 200-gr. JHP. It seemed to me that his out-of-the-box P220 was grouping as well as some accurized 1911's I'd seen and shot!

In any event, I bought one and have shot it off and on since that time. Before retiring from police service, one of my duties was that of a firearm instructor and as such, I saw quite a few of these pistols fired over the years. Texas DPS troopers were also using them at that time and cutting to the chase, I was hearing of few problems with the P220's. I personally witnessed none, but have seen other folks' reports to the contrary.

Admittedly, most of my shooting these past forty years has been with single-action automatics (1911's & Hi Powers) or double-action revolvers (usually S&W's), but I've also worked and taught with traditional DA/SA autoloaders. "The double-action automatic is an answer to a non-existant problem" sounds pretty good to me and I respect that statement's source quite a lot, but I respectfully disagree. Many (probably a distinct majority) in law enforcement simply are forbidden by policy to carry a single-action autoloader or are specifically mandated to tote a DA/SA autoloading handgun in a specific caliber. Restrictions may vary to some degree, but probably not on forbidding the single-action auto's use. That we may not agree with the idea is moot; some law enforcement personnel are still required to use DA/SA.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/hipowersandhandguns/Hipowersandhandguns2/NewSIG-SauerP220006.jpg
This Bladetech holster works fine with both my new P220 having the accessory rail and my older one which does not.

Other people simply are not comfortable with Condition One carry and will not be. I do not look "down" on them in any manner as appears to have been the case to varying degrees over the years, nor do I come close to accepting that an autopistol design other than single-action carried cocked-and-locked is "the badge of the incompetent". I have seen the unedited police videotape of a law enforcement officer effectively engaging his would-be murderer with a P220 and had "e-conversations" with a couple of other folks who've both seen and slain "the dragon" using the P220. Though my personal preference remains the single-action autoloader in general, I simply have not found the traditional DA/SA autoloader a monster to learn. I am speaking only for myself and other shooters may hold just the opposite view, but in any event, I was happy to try a new P220 and am in the process of comparing it to my older one. If interested, here is a fairly-detailed initial report:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/LongTerm%20Observations%20and%20ShortTerm%20Hopes-SIGSauer%20P220.htm

Make no mistake; I am not trying to "convert" anyone to this design or manufacturer. My aim is simply to provide personal observations, statistically invalid as they may be, that might be of some use for folks interested in this area of handgun selection.

I have enjoyed shooting a P220 off and on for nearly 20 years now. I hope that this new gun serves at least as well as the older one has. We'll see.

Best.

AA#5
03-06-2011, 22:45
Maybe I'm confused, but I thought the milled, one-piece slide has the solid pin. The photo looks like the hollow roll pin of the stamped, folded slide. Also, the extractor on my P220ST is internal.

silversport
03-07-2011, 06:21
AA#5...yours is older...SiG uses the external extractors now...thanks for a well written and informative, as always article Mr. Camp...

Bill

Stephen A. Camp
03-07-2011, 07:17
Hello AA#5. I've seen some of the milled slide/internal extractor versions that had the solid pin you describe but for whatever reasons (unknown to me), SIG-Sauer seems to be using the double roll pin approach with current-production pistols.

Best

Gary1911A1
03-07-2011, 08:24
Good report. Like you I had trouble with the H&G68 in my older Sig 220, but other than that it's been 100% with everything else I have tried.

AA#5
03-07-2011, 13:30
Hello AA#5. I've seen some of the milled slide/internal extractor versions that had the solid pin you describe but for whatever reasons (unknown to me), SIG-Sauer seems to be using the double roll pin approach with current-production pistols.

Best

Interesting because I'd always heard they went to the solid pin because it was more durable.

HAMMERHEAD
03-07-2011, 16:54
My 2010 P220 ST (milled/external) has a solid pin.
Took my P220 ST out today and it was the best shooter at the 25 yard line. I shot it better than my .357 revolver, USP 9mm and Glock 19.
I think the natural grip shape is the key in cold weather.

Cobra64
03-07-2011, 18:12
Interesting because I'd always heard they went to the solid pin because it was more durable.

Interesting, I'd heard the opposite. :dunno:

I've had two fail; one in my P220ST (shown) and one in my P226ST. Now I only do extensive dry firing with snap caps.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010476.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010478.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1010477.jpg

Dogguy
03-08-2011, 18:29
I've bought two new SIGs within the past few months and both have the roll pins. Apparently, SIG found the roll pins are more durable than the solid pins.

And, Stephen, thanks for the review. I've always enjoyed your experience and insight on handguns.

I came to SIGs from years of using Glocks and Colt 1911s before that. The transition to the DA/SA trigger took a bit of work on my part but it has come along nicely.

Stephen A. Camp
03-08-2011, 19:27
Hello and thank you all for your comments. I appreciate it very much.

Best.

wingspar
03-15-2011, 14:20
Good review. I just bought a CPO P220, so the reading of your article was at a good time.

2001 model, stainless slide, internal extractor.

http://www.pbase.com/wingspar/image/133020335/original.jpg

FM12
03-15-2011, 15:50
I use one for my everyday carry. As someone once saiod, SIG 220=the Hammer of THOR!!

bac1023
03-19-2011, 20:52
Nice review

deeHKman
03-21-2011, 15:51
Interesting and very good review, thanks for the time.

Stephen A. Camp
03-21-2011, 17:58
Hello and thanks very, very much.

Best.

fowler
03-23-2011, 06:49
While not being a big fan of Sigs. The two Sigs that I really use and own are a 220 West German and a 239 9mm. They just plain shoot and are accurate &reliable. Both of mine do not have rails. Not being a fan of the bastard 40S&W I have never tryed a 40sw Sig. I find them nice pistols. Thanks for good write up.

Two Guns
03-23-2011, 08:15
Thanks for the write up Stephen.As always you did a great job.

Stephen A. Camp
03-23-2011, 08:48
Hello and thanks to all for the comments. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and share your views.

Best.

BLau
03-26-2011, 00:03
If the rails really bother you, www.fordsguns.com can take them off for you. Here is a before and after shot:

http://www.fordsguns.com/index7.htm

Cobra64
03-26-2011, 03:10
If the rails really bother you, www.fordsguns.com can take them off for you. Here is a before and after shot:

http://www.fordsguns.com/index7.htm

There are a number of smiths who can do that work.

Here's my P226ST before...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1000564-PICASA-1.jpg






And after I had it morphed into an SL... :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020528.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020549.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020550.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020535.jpg

Stephen A. Camp
03-26-2011, 06:13
Hello. Very nice work was done in the removal of those rails.

Best.

BLau
03-26-2011, 18:01
Cobra,

Who did the removal on your guns? Looks better than Ford's.

Cobra64
03-26-2011, 21:51
Cobra,

Who did the removal on your guns? Looks better than Ford's.

Only one gun was involved, the P226ST. GGI did the work along with their Competition Action Reset package, new sights, and Superblack finish.

AgentM79
04-24-2011, 08:55
The P220 is my choice of .45ACP pistol. I have the folded-slide version, and value the smoothness and precision. It fires tight groups on qualification courses when I do my part. I found that the P220 was more reliable than the Glock 30 I previously owned.

MikePapa1
04-27-2011, 16:01
Great review. I, too, have a new Aug 2010, milled 220 with a solid pin and external extractor. It's the third one I've owned. I still have a 1979 220 that I got used not too long back and they shoot almost identically. A great weapon, every bit as good as the 226 I've had for 20 years and absolutely love.

Great guns.

taters
05-09-2011, 23:32
Love my sig 220 n my sig 229. They r more accurate than a glock. R as reliable as a glock. Just wish they were as maintenance free as the glock. The sig website will tell ya they should be so well oiled that your finger should leave a fingerprint

Cobra64
05-10-2011, 00:47
Love my sig 220 n my sig 229. They r more accurate than a glock. R as reliable as a glock. Just wish they were as maintenance free as the glock. The sig website will tell ya they should be so well oiled that your finger should leave a fingerprint

By any chance, did you go to school in Detroit? :tongueout:

taters
05-10-2011, 16:14
no but i was in the marine corps with some who were thats why i can relate to idiots:rofl: