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stsai465
03-09-2011, 10:14
Was watching last night's "Top Shot", which featured the Razorcat Race gun (JJ Laraza's gun). Looked really cool and fun and got me the idea of one day picking up an open-class gun (not necessarily this one though, depending on the price).

So anyone here own one or at least picked one up and fired it a few times? If not the Razorcat specifically, who here owns open-class guns?

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
03-09-2011, 10:45
Whats your budget? Are you interested in just buying one or would you prefer to put together your own?

You can put together your own open class Glock pretty easily, but if you have your heart set on a 2011 style race gun be prepared to spend $$$$

Do you just want to own one for fun or would you like to compete with it?

bac1023
03-09-2011, 10:46
Infinity makes the best race guns, in my opinion.




...but you're going to pay a steep price. :shocked:

dosei
03-09-2011, 11:07
Race guns...Race cars...Race boats...("Race" women)...
Temperamental & Expensive

H&K 4 LIFE
03-09-2011, 11:26
Glock 34 "Race Gun" by Jo Jo's Gunworks Southington, CT. :)

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2crozdi.jpg

stsai465
03-09-2011, 11:45
I found that you can buy EAA Witness Gold Cup Champ for about 1600-ish, which gets you the gun w/ compensated barrel and drilled/tapped. Toss a C-more for another 200 and it's getting close. Granted, it's probably not a true race gun, but it wouldn't be a bad shooter.

I currently own a Glock 34 for production competition; not sure what it would cost or what would be needed to convert it. The only mods to it right now are fiber optic front/rear sights.

ronin.45
03-09-2011, 15:03
Race guns...Race cars...Race boats...("Race" women)...
Temperamental & Expensive

Well said!

ede
03-09-2011, 15:15
i have or had a lot of Open Glocks and a custom 2011 9mm. unless you're really into shooting Open it's a lot of work getting one tuned and running at 100%.

Steel Head
03-09-2011, 19:11
Race guns...Race cars...Race boats...("Race" women)...
Temperamental & Expensive

AND FUN:whistling:

I was tempted to fancy up my old G22 but the economy is kicking my but at the moment -it may happen this summer.
I got to shoot a 1911 that was tricked out-OHHH how fun it was:wow:

airflyer
03-09-2011, 19:14
Razorcat or any top notch race gun is going to run you 8 to 9 k

Happy Hunting
03-09-2011, 19:33
Add to that about ten mags at $60+tuning a pop that are probably only going to be used on that one gun unless you get a passion for the 2011 platform.

ronin.45
03-09-2011, 19:46
I know open guys that have $200 apiece in mags. Open class can easily cost 6-7 grand with everything.

stsai465
03-10-2011, 00:38
What are the distinguishing features that separate top-notch race guns like the Razorcat or the Infinity guns and other "lesser" guns like the CZ Czechmate or the EAA Witness Gold Cup? Both types of guns have compensators, optics, enlarged magwells, and in most cases, tuned trigger jobs. So what makes the former worth the extra $5K (give or take), given that I'd guess the latter group wouldn't be necessarily poor performers either.

ede
03-10-2011, 03:31
my 9mm 2011 mags would be in the 200$ range. my .40 Limited mags are around 100$. it gets expensive fast playing gun games. i still perfer the .40 1911 in SingleStack over anything else. i'm comited to shooting a Open Glock this year but I think after this season i'll go back to the 1911.

themighty9mm
03-10-2011, 03:55
What are the distinguishing features that separate top-notch race guns like the Razorcat or the Infinity guns and other "lesser" guns like the CZ Czechmate or the EAA Witness Gold Cup? Both types of guns have compensators, optics, enlarged magwells, and in most cases, tuned trigger jobs. So what makes the former worth the extra $5K (give or take), given that I'd guess the latter group wouldn't be necessarily poor performers either.

I can't say for sure, but I would guess alot of hand tuning, extensive accuracy work, with a bit of flare.
Basically anything that can be possibly enhanced will be. As opposed to the production guns, that are, well... production. Production guns that get popped out of a cnc machine. Maybe twice check by a QA guy, then the factory tossed on a compensator along with a few other odds and ends.
Like I said not 100% sure but I'd bet I'm not far off

BuckyP
03-10-2011, 04:24
Race guns can sure be a blast. I've had several over the years. Still have 3, an SV, Caspain, and Springfield. The SV and Caspian were built from the ground up by EGW, back in the day when EGW built guns.

If you're just trying to break in, used Caspians can sometimes be found for good deals. My Caspian was my main (and only) competition gun for a few years. It has over 100K through it and still runs pretty good today. Caspians are also a little easier to work on, IMO.

Yeah they can be pricey, but to shoot one is to understand why.

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/gameguns1.jpg

TSAX
03-10-2011, 04:34
Was watching last night's "Top Shot", which featured the Razorcat Race gun (JJ Laraza's gun). Looked really cool and fun and got me the idea of one day picking up an open-class gun (not necessarily this one though, depending on the price).

So anyone here own one or at least picked one up and fired it a few times? If not the Razorcat specifically, who here owns open-class guns?


JJ Racaza :whistling:


https://www.gunsupplies.co.nz/firearms/pistol/limcat-guns-razorcat-series-238

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Accessories_Metal_Bodies_Slides_GBB_Airsoft_Surgeon_Razor_Cat_Full_Set_for_TM_Hi_Capa_Silver.htm

ronin.45
03-10-2011, 11:21
In my opinion a good shooter will do just as well with a tricked out open Glock or EAA as with a 2011. I see no need to spend the extra thousands.

dt3ft
03-10-2011, 11:46
I love modified raceguns...though there are not as many competitors here.
http://www.jvdynamics.com/custom_guns/img/mod_11.jpg


Tanfoglio and Sphinx also manufacture some good hardware.

Sphinx:
http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/pics/waffen/3000_CompetitionOpen_normal.png

http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/pics/waffen/3000_CompetitionModified_normal.png

Tanfoglio
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/bloominglotus44/PICT0483.jpg

allegro
04-01-2012, 21:32
Those are some sexy looking guns for sure.

HoldHard
04-02-2012, 06:57
Human beings have binocular vision. We can only focus on one thing at a time. With that in mind, shooting iron sights means that you should focus on the front sight. The rear sight and the target will be out of focus. In IPSC (or USPSA) shooting, the game is designed around being able to shoot accurately and quickly.

The Open guns normally have a dot optic such as a C-More (http://www.cmore.com/sights.html) that replaces the front and rear sights. Your focus for dot sights is the target so it becomes clearer and by placing the dot where you want the round to go is much faster. Agreed, training to draw the weapon and "find" the dot is required to be competitive.

Along with the dot, the compensator redirects some of the gases of the fired round upward. This makes the gun shoot "flat" or with little to no muzzle lift. It just comes straight back, making the second shot easier to get on target. Lightening the slide (all that fancy notching and mill work) along with shortening the slide will reduce shot-to-shot time.

For some gunsmiths, you are paying for reputation and service. If you happen to live near Sparks, Nevada (home of Limcat Custom Products) then a member of the LimCat staff will be more than happy to accompany you to the range and make sure that the gun runs (for a price.....). This is the RazorCat and it is rumored to cost upwards of $6,500 with a wait list of 9 to 12 months. Magazines are additional.

http://digitallowdown.net/clients/limcat/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/razorcat1.jpg

Does it look cool? Of course. Personally, I'd rather have a gun that runs 100% consistently with the ammunition matched to the compensator.

To give you an idea of cost, my .38 Super Open gun was just converted to 9MM Major. It required a new barrel and comp. My gunsmith only charged me $750 for the work.

I've been shooting the same gun for the past 10 years and have updated it with different optic mounts, mag wells, barrels, trigger jobs and compensators. It still runs very well for the investment totaling about $5,000 which covers the gun, 6 magazines, holster, belt and mag holders.

In my opinion a good shooter will do just as well with a tricked out open Glock or EAA as with a 2011. I see no need to spend the extra thousands.

I have a Open division Glock 34 but could not get used to the relatively "heavy" trigger as compared to the 2011 which measured at just over 16 ounces. To each their own.

HH

mpolans
04-02-2012, 11:20
EAA Witness Gold Team (AKA Tanfoglio Gold Team) has been good enough to win the last 2-3 IPSC World Shoots. It's just not as popular in the U.S., probably because the importer sucks (EAA) and the 1911 design has huge head start in popularity.

I found that you can buy EAA Witness Gold Cup Champ for about 1600-ish, which gets you the gun w/ compensated barrel and drilled/tapped. Toss a C-more for another 200 and it's getting close. Granted, it's probably not a true race gun, but it wouldn't be a bad shooter.

I currently own a Glock 34 for production competition; not sure what it would cost or what would be needed to convert it. The only mods to it right now are fiber optic front/rear sights.

mpolans
04-02-2012, 11:22
Razorcat or any top notch race gun is going to run you 8 to 9 k
Not true. A lot of gunsmiths will build one for you for around $3000. You can buy very good used guns for around $2000. Sometimes cheaper.

I have about $1900 including 4 mags in my STI limited gun. I have about $1000 including mags in my G34 w/G24 top end Limited gun. I have about $1700 in my SJC G17 open gun. Granted, I've shopped around and gotten some good deals, but they're out there.

Bill Keith
04-02-2012, 11:54
Handled and shot a couple. I was really impressed with the STI gun. It's a Texas company so go for it!

Shadyscott69
04-02-2012, 14:14
You don't have to spend NEARLY what folks are saying. Don't get me wrong, hot rodded guns are like cars, they aren't cheap. but, you can get a new Akai for around $3500. At the end of the season, you could find a one year old open gun for as little as $1800 on Benos.

This Tommy Guns Open 9 major built with an SVI slide and STI lower was only about $3800 complete with ALL top shelf parts.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu106/shadyscott999/OpenFinished.jpg

Haven't even had a chance to shoot it since it came back from hard chrome.

My limited gun was right at $3500 from Tommy Guns.

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu106/shadyscott999/IMAG0097-1.jpg

You will spend about $400 on a CR Speed Rig and between $500-$600 on the mags you will need.

I agree with some of the other posters, if you wanna play around with Open, I would call Bobby Carver and order a G17 Open gun for around $1700 complete and blast away until you finde out if it is your "thing". Down side to that is most guys that start with an open Glock are happy with it until they shoot an Open 2011 so you could be wasting the $1700.

There was a very nice SJC G17 that just sold on Benos for around $1300 IIRC.

davesretired1
04-02-2012, 17:53
Had my first race gun built on an STI lower in .45ACP, not smart. Realized I was at a disadvantage in capacity and cycling. Had it converted to .38 super. Of course this meant all new mags! After a year or two of competition, I had Accu-rails installed. Tightened the gun up so much, it took approx. 1500 rds's to smooth out. Changed the lower grip from black to red to match the holster and mag pads. It's like drinking from a spitoon! Once you start, you can't stop!:rofl:Then I go and have a Limited in .40 S&W built on an SV lower. More holsters, mags, etc. To add insult to injury, I shot this better than the Open gun ( A class versus B class). All this was ton's of fun, especially as I was working and making a good buck. Now that I'm retired, I LIKE GLOCKS!!!:wavey: