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carguy2244
03-09-2011, 17:12
Please put aside your preferences for MIM vs. tool steel small parts, Swartz saftey hating, or admiration for SA Custom shop work.

Which is the better shooter?

Why?

Kimber Super Match

or

Springfield Professional

Thanks.

drc767
03-09-2011, 17:15
I have never shot a Kimber that has been in the same ballpark as the SA Professional. They are one of the most accurate 1911's I have ever had the pleasure to shoot.

carguy2244
03-09-2011, 17:20
So you have shot a Super Match, and the Pro was a better shooter for you?

BigLaw
03-09-2011, 17:21
I would say the SA shoots better due to the hand fitting and just more attn to detail. The brand/grade and way the barrel is fit is prob the biggest reason. I've heard a lot of people say that the Gold Match is the most accurate 1911 they've owned, however I don't know what others they have fired.

Hokie1911
03-09-2011, 17:22
Dave has experience shooting a LOT of high-end 1911s. I would take him at his word.

carguy2244
03-09-2011, 17:43
Are these perspectives based on shooting both weapons?

Thank you very much.

Quack
03-09-2011, 18:12
Sacs....

Quack
03-09-2011, 18:13
BTW, if you have a KSP, then you can shoot it against my Pro Op or TGO-1 and make your own decision.

bac1023
03-09-2011, 18:18
Please put aside your preferences for MIM vs. tool steel small parts, Swartz saftey hating, or admiration for SA Custom shop work.

Which is the better shooter?

Why?

Kimber Super Match

or

Springfield Professional

Thanks.

The TGO1 is a better comparison, as its designed as a range gun like the Super Match.

I did a comparison on mine not long ago.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1274228

bac1023
03-09-2011, 18:19
Are these perspectives based on shooting both weapons?

Thank you very much.

Check out my shooting comparison above.

The TGO1 was the clear winner, but the Kimber Super Match is one of my favorite production 1911s.

R0CKETMAN
03-09-2011, 18:30
The TGO1 is a better comparison, as its designed as a range gun like the Super Match.

I did a comparison on mine not long ago.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1274228

Well there you go OP. As for the Pro, carried mine today. Excellent defensive pistol. I did have John Harrison put in one of his short triggers. Much mo betta...

rsxr22
03-09-2011, 18:32
Kimber is like HS football compared to the "PRO's" when comparing the two.

Production made with sketchy quality of parts and bad CS vs. handfitted, and the best CS in the game

glock2740
03-09-2011, 18:39
But the SA Pro doesn't say Custom Shop on the slide, and the Kimber does, so the SA can't be nearly as good. :whistling:

Quack
03-09-2011, 18:45
it doesn't say "Custom Kimber Shop" but "Springfield Custom" ;)

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1160104541_MQ2ps-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1178436339_xibVq-L.jpg

glock2740
03-09-2011, 19:00
We all know that Kimber's Custom Shop is the best. Look how many come out of there. :) Name another TRUE Custom Shop that has a production line. That just goes to show how good Kimber's CS really is. :supergrin:




































:rofl:

glock2740
03-09-2011, 19:05
it doesn't say "Custom Kimber Shop" but "Springfield Custom" ;)

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1160104541_MQ2ps-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1178436339_xibVq-L.jpg
Those are nice and all, but SA takes a year to build one, and they fumble around with that TGO thing so much, that they've only been able to put out about 160 of them. While Kimber spits out CS guns like a country boy spittin' out water melon seeeds on a hot summer day. :rofl:Just ain't no comparison at all. :supergrin:

rsxr22
03-09-2011, 19:06
I've been waiting a few years for my Kimber "Custom Shop". Their a hot commodity, they keep telling me its on the way though!

Officer's Match
03-09-2011, 19:13
You doughnut holes and your TGO1's are really making me quite jealous.:faint:

jrs93accord
03-09-2011, 19:24
Please put aside your preferences for MIM vs. tool steel small parts, Swartz saftey hating, or admiration for SA Custom shop work.

Which is the better shooter?

Why?

Kimber Super Match

or

Springfield Professional

Thanks.

I have never seen a gun shoot for itself. There has always been a person behind one. The question should be, for those of you that own and shoot the Kimber Super Match and Springfield Professional on a regular basis, which one do you shoot better with and why?

rsxr22
03-09-2011, 19:30
I have never seen a gun shoot for itself. There has always been a person behind one. The question should be, for those of you that own and shoot the Kimber Super Match and Springfield Professional on a regular basis, which one do you shoot better with and why?

The question was answered, just not the way you wanted it. I dont own either but friends have the super pro and professional. My findings were: My $600 Spartan was more accurate then anything Ive ever shot from Kimber. Its an unfair comparison because the Spartan is a 9mm so less perceived recoil, but back to how the question was answered.

The Pro is a hand fitted, custom built 1911. Hence there is more ATD when fitting parts, so while the SC may be accurate, it is impossible for it to be more accurate than a SA PRO(unless theres something wrong with the PRO). Will the shooter see the difference in accuracy? That is dependent on the shooter. Good enough answer for ya?

R0CKETMAN
03-09-2011, 20:10
Will the shooter see the difference in accuracy? That is dependent on the shooter. Good enough answer for ya?

So, you've said the same thing as jrs...who's 1911 opinion is of great value btw

bac1023
03-09-2011, 20:28
To sum up my test, I really found no significant difference in accuracy with me shooting them from a rest.

Is the TGO1 (or Pro) a better 1911? Hell yes, much better in fact.

However, the accuracy of the Super Match is very impressive.

airflyer
03-10-2011, 11:15
Not to get into kimber verus semi custom debate ,i own a kimber gold match series 1 one of the first ones out and it is as smooth and tight and is as accurite as my les baer 1.5 tatacal and my rra limited match which is a target gun which says alot . It dosent have the fit and finish as the latter two guns but it runs with them . if my pro shows up some day.After a very long wait ,i will have to compare them both together .

faawrenchbndr
03-10-2011, 11:31
Dave has experience shooting a LOT of high-end 1911s. I would take him at his word.

This,.......:supergrin:

MD357
03-10-2011, 14:06
I'd worry more on which gun was set up to your liking better as I'd put good money that you'd never know the difference in mechanical accuarcy. One may shoot better than the other for a particular individual due to a higher grip, better trigger, etc. That being said, I'll bet the SA saw more attention to the ignition and barrel.

bac1023
03-10-2011, 17:46
That being said, I'll bet the SA saw more attention to the ignition and barrel.

I would think so, but that Kimber SM is a great shooter.

Johan Beer
03-10-2011, 17:53
I can say that you will regret the Kimber purchase, but you won't regret the Pro.

At that price point, in fact at any price point, there is always a better alternative to a Kimber.

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:08
I have never seen a gun shoot for itself. There has always been a person behind one. The question should be, for those of you that own and shoot the Kimber Super Match and Springfield Professional on a regular basis, which one do you shoot better with and why?

Actually that's the exact question I'm asking. Which shoots better?

Not which is made with better parts, not which has better attention to detail.

I'm asking those that have shot both. Not handled both, not read reviews or have friends that have both, not those that have read reviews on both.

If you shot both. Thanks.

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:09
Kimber is like HS football compared to the "PRO's" when comparing the two.

Production made with sketchy quality of parts and bad CS vs. handfitted, and the best CS in the game

So you've shot both, right?

Quack
03-10-2011, 20:10
think we are shooting on sunday if you want to meet up.

bring ammo and i'll bring the Pro and TGO-1

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:12
To sum up my test, I really found no significant difference in accuracy with me shooting them from a rest.

Is the TGO1 (or Pro) a better 1911? Hell yes, much better in fact.

However, the accuracy of the Super Match is very impressive.

Thank you. That was my question. How they shot.

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:13
Not to get into kimber verus semi custom debate ,i own a kimber gold match series 1 one of the first ones out and it is as smooth and tight and is as accurite as my les baer 1.5 tatacal and my rra limited match which is a target gun which says alot . It dosent have the fit and finish as the latter two guns but it runs with them . if my pro shows up some day.After a very long wait ,i will have to compare them both together .

Thank you.

rsxr22
03-10-2011, 20:13
So you've shot both, right?

Did you miss post #20?

Shot the SC Pro. People can say fitting and quality of parts dont matter, but in all actuality, THEY DO! Probably one of the main reasons the PRO shoots better. Never have a said accurate they were not. Ive had tons of first hand experience with problems with 2 Kimbers I owned. The trigger and its accuracy were not 2 of the issues.

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:13
think we are shooting on sunday if you want to meet up.

bring ammo and i'll bring the Pro and TGO-1

Nice. Where?

bac1023
03-10-2011, 20:14
Thank you. That was my question. How they shot.

The accuracy of the Kimber Super Match is on par with most of my other 1911s.

I've said for years that I was very impressed with its capabilities.

Quack
03-10-2011, 20:17
Nice. Where?

probably Stonewall

carguy2244
03-10-2011, 20:31
Did you miss post #20?

Shot the SC Pro. People can say fitting and quality of parts dont matter, but in all actuality, THEY DO! Probably one of the main reasons the PRO shoots better. Never have a said accurate they were not. Ive had tons of first hand experience with problems with 2 Kimbers I owned. The trigger and its accuracy were not 2 of the issues.

Okay, so if the trigger and accuracy are not issues where the 2 weapons differ, they shoot the same, is that right?
Or is that wrong?

As far as part fitting, that's great information. but not meaningful, as anyome (myself included) that reads about both already has that information.
This was actually a "based on first hand experience" question, based on having shot both.
Yes I read post 20, and I couldn't determine if you shot both and thought the Pro shot better, or didn't shoot both, but just knew the Pro shot better, because the parts were better, and because others who've shot them both told you so.

carguy2244
03-11-2011, 04:14
probably Stonewall

That is a Hell of a Great offer.
I don't think I can get there Sunday, but I'll take you up on that in the not too distant future, if the offer stands for a while.
I'd love to shoot a Pro - probably would convince ne to buy one.
The TGO-1, I don't even want to shoot. It would suck to want it and not be able to find one.
I Googled Stonewall. Looks like a good store. How is it compared to Vances? Obviously having a range is a huge advantage, but I mean the store itself.

Quack
03-11-2011, 04:21
Stonewall is an overpriced shop. i don't think i've ever bought anything from them.
I've bought plenty of guns from Vance's though, and they are 2.5hours away from me.
I've even bought more guns from when i've stopped by Bud's than i have bought from Stonewall.

MajorD
03-11-2011, 07:53
considering the cost of these guns, you might just as well buy a les baer

lawdog734
03-11-2011, 07:55
I have never bought from stonewall either. I can't wait for fin feather and fur to open in Middleburgh