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sexybeast
03-10-2011, 03:42
Hello, this is my first post here. Just wanted to get some ideas on my dilemma.

I am from the Philippines and I recently ordered a Metro Arms MAC 1911 in 45 cal. Here is the product page:http://metroarms.net/MAC1911. This gun is meant to compete with the STI Spartan (I think).

The problem is the dealer ordered the .40 caliber instead of .45 cal. What are the disadvantages/advantages for a 40 caliber in a single stack 1911? I have waited for a month and half already and re-ordering would take another 1 1/2 month because of stupid gun control laws and the factory basically only makes them when there is an order for it. I am tempted to go with the .40 just to spare myself another long wait.

This would be my first ever firearm. I am a disappointed that I have to wait a loooong time.:steamed::crying:

sexybeast
03-11-2011, 02:26
anybody?

mrsurfboard
03-11-2011, 02:42
Recoil. I find the .45 much easier to shoot then the .40 Also, IMHO, a 1911 should be .45ACP, period.

jrs93accord
03-11-2011, 02:48
Well, that is a hard decision to make. It is a good looking 1911. I have several 1911s from Armscor, Metro Arms, and SAM. All of which I am very pleased with. The .40S&W round is decent. It does not have the thump that the .45ACP has, but is does have some good results. Personally, I prefer my 1911s in .45ACP, although I do have a couple in 9mm. If I was in the same situation as you, I believe that I would wait for it in .45ACP. It would be a grueling 45 day wait, but it would be worth it, in my opinion.

Gunshine
03-11-2011, 02:52
Hey beast. I own weapons in both calibers. The .40 caliber is a bit less expensive to practice with based on the cost of ammo. The .45 is the classic caliber for a 1911. However there are many fans of the .38sp 1911's as well. Both calibers are more than adequate for self defense.

So what it really comes down to is what you think. If you are sure you will be happy long term with the .40 buy it. If you have always thought of a 1911 as a .45 then it might be worth the wait. It really is a personal choice between two fine calibers.

carguy2244
03-11-2011, 04:07
As a target cartridge, they'll perform equally well.
As a defense cartridge, they'll perform equally well.
If you shoot steel plates or bowling pins, the additional weight of the 45 may provide a slight advantage, but other than that, the 2 calibers will perorm equally well.
Practice.

R0CKETMAN
03-11-2011, 05:04
Suggest you look here. Tons of info..

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31

Jr.
03-11-2011, 05:13
I love my .40's but my 1911's are .45's and 38 super. I'd have to come across a heck of a deal to get a .40 1911, unless it was a EMP.

craig19
03-11-2011, 09:41
I love the .40 not sure I like it more than the 45, but I like it. I don't have a .40 1911, so can't help you there.

20South
03-11-2011, 10:31
Never been a fan of the .40 "Short & Weak". Full 10mm for me please :rofl: I like my 1911s in .45, but Sarge's Inbound .357 has me rethinking that! It's been said already, figure out if you would be happy with it down the road and decide from there. Waiting a few extra weeks to be completely happy is better then settling now and second guessing yourself until you sell it.

Glock30Eric
03-11-2011, 11:00
Get .45 ACP, and trust me on that.

MD357
03-11-2011, 11:03
A few years back I picked up a Wilson CQB in .40 because you couldn't find .45 anywhere here locally. Then again, I look shooting all sorts of rounds out of a 1911.

barstoolguru
03-11-2011, 11:03
talk, talk ,talk... no one said anything. here is a fact the 40 will out peform the 45 hands down. the 40 has more ft pounds of enegry at muzzle and 50 ft. 1150-fps and 45-895fps. to many people have a 45 and will not talk it down but lets face it, its a 100 year old round and there are better out there but brain washed handgun owners are head strong and won't budge. 10mm are good too but the us army is going to a 40 cal for special forces in the next couple of years.

real men don't sweat recoil. if you can't handle the recoil lift weights and learn to manage it

BuckyP
03-11-2011, 11:05
10mm are good too but the us army is going to a 40 cal for special forces in the next couple of years.


:popcorn:

MD357
03-11-2011, 11:05
talk, talk ,talk... no one said anything. here is a fact the 40 will out peform the 45 hands down. the 40 has more ft pounds of enegry at muzzle and 50 ft. 1150-fps and 45-895fps. to many people have a 45 and will not talk it down but lets face it, its a 100 year old round and there are better out there but brain washed handgun owners are head strong and won't budge. 10mm are good too but the us army is going to a 40 cal for special forces in the next couple of years.

40ftlbs?!!! at the muzzle?? What a significant difference!! I'd bet that'd blow a man clean out of his shoes.

Hokie1911
03-11-2011, 11:17
:popcorn:

Bucky, you bring the :popcorn: and I will bring the :cheers:

This is getting good.

craig19
03-11-2011, 11:26
10mm are good too but the us army is going to a 40 cal for special forces in the next couple of years.


That is news to me.

Hokie1911
03-11-2011, 12:52
I'd love to shoot .40 out of a 5" steel 1911 just to see how it compared to my G23 or P229. All I know is, both are effective SD rounds (hell, I carry a 9mm) and I wouldn't want to get shot by either. :thumbsup:

BuckyP
03-11-2011, 13:01
I'd love to shoot .40 out of a 5" steel 1911 just to see how it compared to my G23 or P229. All I know is, both are effective SD rounds (hell, I carry a 9mm) and I wouldn't want to get shot by either. :thumbsup:

No comparison.

If you're ever in the SE PA area... :wavey:
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ssstinp3a.jpg

dreis454
03-11-2011, 13:03
If it were me,I'd wait another 6 weeks for the .45.

Hokie1911
03-11-2011, 13:08
No comparison.

If you're ever in the SE PA area... :wavey:
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ssstinp3a.jpg

I bet that is smoooooooooooooooooooooth. Why can't you be in NW PA? :crying:

mrsurfboard
03-11-2011, 13:40
talk, talk ,talk... no one said anything. here is a fact the 40 will out peform the 45 hands down. the 40 has more ft pounds of enegry at muzzle and 50 ft. 1150-fps and 45-895fps. to many people have a 45 and will not talk it down but lets face it, its a 100 year old round and there are better out there but brain washed handgun owners are head strong and won't budge. 10mm are good too but the us army is going to a 40 cal for special forces in the next couple of years.

real men don't sweat recoil. if you can't handle the recoil lift weights and learn to manage it

Cite or is this made up?

barstoolguru
03-11-2011, 14:12
quote: 40ftlbs?!!! at the muzzle?? What a significant difference!! I'd bet that'd blow a man clean out of his shoes. (where that hell did I say this)

beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life forms here.......lol and like I said the .40 cal will out perform the .45. sorry if this hurts your feelings
and if you are a wimp and cant handle the recoil life some weights and man up

Gunshine
03-11-2011, 14:22
quote: 40ftlbs?!!! at the muzzle?? What a significant difference!! I'd bet that'd blow a man clean out of his shoes. (where that hell did I say this)

beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life forms here.......lol and like I said the .40 cal will out perform the .45. sorry if this hurts your feelings
and if you are a wimp and cant handle the recoil life some weights and man up

We are still waiting for you to verify that the army and special forces are going to the .40.

Oh and speaking of intelligent life perhaps you should take another look at MD's post. He wasn't quoting, It was sarcasm.

mrsurfboard
03-11-2011, 14:27
We are still waiting for you to verify that the army and special forces are going to the .40.

We'll be waiting a long time. Just another person looking to stir the pot.

Jr.
03-11-2011, 14:27
quote: 40ftlbs?!!! at the muzzle?? What a significant difference!! I'd bet that'd blow a man clean out of his shoes. (where that hell did I say this)

beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life forms here.......lol and like I said the .40 cal will out perform the .45. sorry if this hurts your feelings
and if you are a wimp and cant handle the recoil life some weights and man up

Show me a .40S&W that shoots 255gr hardcast. The best it will get is 230gr .40cal in a 10mm case:tongueout: The .40 and .45 both have their place.

Zombie Steve
03-11-2011, 14:52
Those that live by the rule of foot-pounds of energy are due for some real world disappointment.

Sometimes gun chat is best confined to the barstool.


ETA: as to the original post, I'd wait for the .45 auto. .40 S&W is a good round and comparable in many ways, but it is certainly not head and shoulders above a .45 or even a 9mm. The .40 is a little more snappy compared to the .45 auto. No, I'm not recoil sensitive. The truth is there just isn't much difference in the abilities of .45, 9mm or .40 S&W. .45 auto just does the job at significantly lower pressures.

sexybeast
03-11-2011, 18:53
What about reliability issues? Would I have issues with the 1911 if a higher pressure round is used compared to a .45?

To say that my first gun buying experience is a disappointment is understating it. I should have gone armscor or shooter's arms in the first place.

Hokie1911
03-11-2011, 18:59
What about reliability issues? Would I have issues with the 1911 if a higher pressure round is used compared to a .45?

To say that my first gun buying experience is a disappointment is understating it. I should have gone armscor or shooter's arms in the first place.

The EMP .40 is a very nice gun. Never shot one...only 9mm, but never heard of any issues. STI also makes a bunch of .40 1911s and their stuff is excellent.

Wil Ufgood
03-11-2011, 19:05
What about reliability issues? Would I have issues with the 1911 if a higher pressure round is used compared to a .45?

To say that my first gun buying experience is a disappointment is understating it. I should have gone armscor or shooter's arms in the first place.

I've put about 5000 rds through my Dan Wesson SSC without any issues. I would simply shoot the .40 and get the .45 as well.:wavey:

MD357
03-11-2011, 23:21
(where that hell did I say this)



You didn't, the sarcasm regarding it's significance of the difference between the two obviously escapes you.

beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life forms here.......lol and like I said the .40 cal will out perform the .45. sorry if this hurts your feelings
and if you are a wimp and cant handle the recoil life some weights and man up

I guess you missed the part where I said I owned a CQB in .40? I also have a EMP in .40 aswell. If you don't understand what this means, it means I own two 1911s in .40. However, I'm not retarded enough to believe that there's a huge difference in the performance, or rather.... have a life and don't take myself that seriously over a minute caliber difference. :whistling:

RH45
03-16-2011, 18:22
Even though I've owned a Colt Gold Cup, an Ed Brown, a Kimber, a Les Baer, and a Wilson in .45 ACP, a couple of years ago, I picked up an STI Trojan in .40, and liked it so much that I bought another one!:supergrin:

sexybeast
03-16-2011, 21:28
I decided to go ahead with the .40cal. Can't wait for the .45. If don't like the .40 cal I can sell it and buy a .45. On the plus side I get to try a .40 cal 1911 which seems to be gaining popularity here in the Philippines

Cobra64
03-17-2011, 00:52
Recoil. I find the .45 much easier to shoot then the .40 Also, IMHO, a 1911 should be .45ACP, period.

Yup, the .40 recoil is pretty nasty (for me) and I can shoot .45 all day long. However .38 Super (chambered for the 1911 in 1924) is a great caliber for the 1911 platform too. :)

a45sArtwork
03-17-2011, 00:56
Recoil. I find the .45 much easier to shoot then the .40 Also, IMHO, a 1911 should be .45ACP, period.

Amen!

The Bogie
03-20-2011, 21:14
Why choose one? Use both!! :)

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youngbuck
03-20-2011, 21:37
Never been a fan of the .40 "Short & Weak". Full 10mm for me please :rofl: I like my 1911s in .45, but Sarge's Inbound .357 has me rethinking that! It's been said already, figure out if you would be happy with it down the road and decide from there. Waiting a few extra weeks to be completely happy is better then settling now and second guessing yourself until you sell it.

I havent been around for a little while but can I ask what project this is about?

Hokie1911
03-20-2011, 21:46
I havent been around for a little while but can I ask what project this is about?

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1296587&highlight=Coonan

clancy
03-25-2011, 15:54
If the opportunity is available, shoot both the .40 and .45 and see which one works better for you. Neither is a "magic bullet", but both will do the job if you can hit what you are aiming at.

"Fast is fine, accurate is final." Wyatt Earp

Navitimer
03-25-2011, 23:09
My EDC G27 is .40 cal, but i'm also a big 1911 fan. I'm lucky to have both a Colt and a Kimber in my collection. MHO, 1911s should be in .45 ACP.