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Swatieson
03-17-2011, 10:18
Hello,

I want to buy the Colt 1911 70 series but I am worried about what I could be missing if I pass on 2000-3000ish custom versions like STI, Infinity, etc.

Are custom builds a noticeable improvement over the classic 1911?

Kind regards.

R0CKETMAN
03-17-2011, 10:21
a few
-lowered and flared
-beavertail
-polished feed ramp
-decent sights
-hit or miss trigger

Goldendog Redux
03-17-2011, 10:24
I carry a Wilson Combat rail gun at work. When I am not at work I carry a 1970's Colt Lightweight commander. I swapped the grip safety but otherwise it is stock. I like it just fine. Would I like to carry a Baer stinger? Yup. A Brown bobtail? Yup. Is it important enough for me to drop that much coin on a different gun that does effectively the same thing? Nope.

MF

faawrenchbndr
03-17-2011, 10:27
Think of it this way........would you rather drive a Buick or a Mercedes? :dunno:

If ya got the money & can justify it, the Mercedes is 10x better!

Hokie1911
03-17-2011, 10:32
...or have the best of both worlds without breaking the bank...well, sort of.

http://www.harrisoncustom.com/Media/Packages/CustomCarry/customcarry1.jpg

polizei1
03-17-2011, 10:38
Or send it to someone who can do this....


Here are some pics of a Colt Commander that was the recent recipient of a little Harrison Design love! It probably has some stories to tell if it could talk. It has an alloy Colt receiver with the CLW prefix. It appears to be a '69 vintage. The odd thing it that it's wearing a Combat Commander slide. I've never noticed this before and was wondering if any of you have seen it. Maybe the slide is a replacement part, or maybe it slipped out of Colt this way. It had been mildly customized with a few King's parts at some point. It had a horrendous checkering job on the trigger guard which was welded up and restored by my buddy Ted, but was otherwise unmolested. Thankfully the checkerer gave it up after the trigger guard and left the front strap alone! Hope you enjoy the pics.

http://www.louderthanwords.us/mediumfoto/picts/ulfls/12032011/13369469071.jpg
http://www.louderthanwords.us/mediumfoto/picts/ulfls/12032011/13369469072.jpg
http://www.louderthanwords.us/mediumfoto/picts/ulfls/12032011/13369469073.jpg
http://www.louderthanwords.us/mediumfoto/picts/ulfls/12032011/13369469074.jpg

Swatieson
03-17-2011, 10:44
a few
-lowered and flared
-beavertail
-polished feed ramp
-decent sights
-hit or miss trigger

What do you mean by lowered and flared?

I guess you can upgrade afterwards, can't you?

R0CKETMAN
03-17-2011, 10:48
What do you mean by lowered and flared?

I guess you can upgrade afterwards, can't you?

ejection port

MD357
03-17-2011, 10:50
What do you mean by lowered and flared?

I guess you can upgrade afterwards, can't you?

He means the ejection port is lowered and flared.

Honestly, just go out and get a basic 1911. Spending $2-3K on a 1911 isn't smart untill you know for sure what you want exactly. Only YOU can make that decision after you get some experience shooting them.

akapennypincher
03-17-2011, 10:52
You can spend CRAZY Amount of Money Tweeking a Colt Series 70, or maybe think about a Model with a Few Tweeks from Colt (http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols/ColtXSESeries.aspx), that I like the Model # O1980XSE best as it is Blue, and a lot of Bang for YEE BUCK!

akapennypincher
03-17-2011, 10:53
Or send it to someone who can do this....

Would you like to share what you have in that BABY. Dollar & Cents.:wow:

Hokie1911
03-17-2011, 10:54
Honestly, just go out and get a basic 1911. Spending $2-3K on a 1911 isn't smart untill you know for sure what you want exactly. Only YOU can make that decision after you get some experience shooting them.

This is a wise man. He speaks the truth. :wavey:

HexHead
03-17-2011, 11:02
1" guarantee at 25 yards.

thecableguy
03-17-2011, 12:42
He means the ejection port is lowered and flared.

Honestly, just go out and get a basic 1911. Spending $2-3K on a 1911 isn't smart untill you know for sure what you want exactly. Only YOU can make that decision after you get some experience shooting them.

:agree:

Swatieson
03-17-2011, 13:01
1" guarantee at 25 yards.

Show off. :tongueout:

polizei1
03-17-2011, 14:49
Would you like to share what you have in that BABY. Dollar & Cents.:wow:

That's not mine, but John does have my EMP right now. :tongueout:

John's builds start at $1,250 and go to $3,810, not including the base gun. www.harrisoncustom.com

Considering what he had to do, I'm assuming that gun in particular is somewhere in the $2,000-3,000 range, not including the gun itself.

PlasticGuy
03-17-2011, 17:56
Like anything else in the world, you get what you pay for, but there is a point of diminishing returns. I want all forged/machined parts. Good hand fitting is necessary. More is better. I consider my hard chrome Baer TRS to be that point. I have a Yost Signature that is "better", but I paid a lot more for the increase in quality. Likewise, I have a Series 1 Kimber that would be infinitely better with $400 worth of small parts and hand fitting. Find the balance, and learn to live with it.

MannyA
03-17-2011, 18:04
Hello,

I want to buy the Colt 1911 70 series but I am worried about what I could be missing if I pass on 2000-3000ish custom versions like STI, Infinity, etc.

Are custom builds a noticeable improvement over the classic 1911?

Kind regards.

You will be saving $$$$$$

bac1023
03-17-2011, 18:54
Hello,

I want to buy the Colt 1911 70 series but I am worried about what I could be missing if I pass on 2000-3000ish custom versions like STI, Infinity, etc.

Are custom builds a noticeable improvement over the classic 1911?

Kind regards.

Its all about parts quality and fitting.

By the way, I wouldn't put STI even remotely close to Infinity.

bac1023
03-17-2011, 18:55
You will be saving $$$$$$

Yeah, but you get what you pay for.

If you just want to save dollars, buy a RIA or Metro.

FLIPPER 348
03-17-2011, 19:06
Hello,

I want to buy the Colt 1911 70 series but I am worried about what I could be missing if I pass on 2000-3000ish custom versions like STI, Infinity, etc.



nothing that matters

MD357
03-17-2011, 22:27
nothing that matters

Depends on the shooter. :cool:

bac1023
03-18-2011, 02:08
nothing that matters

:upeyes:

Nickpisp
03-18-2011, 03:29
Hello,

I want to buy the Colt 1911 70 series but I am worried about what I could be missing if I pass on 2000-3000ish custom versions like STI, Infinity, etc.

Are custom builds a noticeable improvement over the classic 1911?

Kind regards.



Get the 70 Series now. You'll learn what you like and don't like about a 1911 then you'll know what you want in a higher end gun. I really like my newer 70 Series.

Hokie1911
03-18-2011, 06:51
Get the Series 70. It's a great basegun for a build down the road if you decide you want more out of it.

faawrenchbndr
03-18-2011, 07:08
Get the Series 70. It's a great basegun for a build down the road if you decide you want more out of it.

Yet another very smart man with great advice!

Hokie1911
03-18-2011, 07:18
Yet another very smart man with great advice!

Not really, but I did stay here last night...

http://www.goodlogo.com/images/logos/holiday_inn_logo_2793.gif

Swatieson
03-21-2011, 05:03
I am about to pull the trigger on the model O1070A1CS. Any last advice?

What about the sights? It doesn't look as you can replace them without impacting the slide...

bac1023
03-21-2011, 05:45
Get the Series 70. It's a great basegun for a build down the road if you decide you want more out of it.

:agree:

They certainly are that. :)


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/060-1.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/062-1.jpg

MajorD
03-21-2011, 07:58
it does depend on you how you shoot and other factors.
some people complain about hammer bite with plain hammers and grip safes, I don't have that problem no matter how I grab the pistol so I like the classic look of the spur hammer and regular grip safe but others can't have a gun set up like that.
If it will be a range toy and maybe sometimes carry gun, then a 70 series may be just fine. If you are into any sort of competition, like bullseye idpa ipsc, it may not deliver the accuracy or handling needed in these sports.
Lowered ejection port was developed during the early bullseye days NOT to increase reliability but to keep case mouths from being dinged up- making them last longer for repeated reloadings.
I may be in the minority but I really like stock unmolested Colt pistols. If I am to spend under 1K on a 1911 it will be a Colt. Over that can start thinking about things like les baer wilson etc.
Custom gunsmiths do great work on 1911's but they can be so costly you might just as well get a les baer or something.

MajorD
03-21-2011, 07:59
sights most Colt factory sights have the front sight staked in- if you replace sights getting a dovetail cut in the front of the slide would be required. With EVERY potential mod, shoot the gun as is first as you may find the way the gun came is just fine.

k45
03-21-2011, 09:15
1" guarantee at 25 yards.

I suspect that most 1911s are more accurate than their handlers :embarassed:

From everything I hear, it's better (dollarwise) to buy the gun you want rather than to buy a base gun and spend $$$ to upgrade it. You don't get your money back from the upgrades, which a buyer may not want or trust.

From what I read, the Dan Wessons and the mid range Springfields (Loaded and TRP, RO, etc.) are probably the best combination of out of the box quality for $$$ spent. Above that, most people get diminishing returns for their money.

svtpwnz
03-21-2011, 11:16
Get the Series 70. It's a great basegun for a build down the road if you decide you want more out of it.
:agree:

HAIL CAESAR
03-21-2011, 11:40
He means the ejection port is lowered and flared.

Honestly, just go out and get a basic 1911. Spending $2-3K on a 1911 isn't smart untill you know for sure what you want exactly. Only YOU can make that decision after you get some experience shooting them.

:wavey:

HAIL CAESAR
03-21-2011, 11:41
nothing that matters

That might not be true. Depending on the user.

JK-linux
03-21-2011, 11:51
.....

Eagle22
03-22-2011, 12:00
I suspect that most 1911s are more accurate than their handlers :embarassed:

Until you can out shoot the gun you have.

Jason D
03-22-2011, 16:55
a few
-lowered and flared
-beavertail
-polished feed ramp
-decent sights
-hit or miss trigger

That only matters if you care about that stuff.
I have guns that have all the bells and whistles on them, yet I find myself despising most of that. You need a gun to be polished and throated, but the rest of the stuff you can live without.

Matter of fact I have went from beavertail this, and commander that, to a plain old Springfield GI. That gun pushes my buttons more than anything else I have.

Jason D
03-22-2011, 16:57
....Except for my S70 Gold Cup.

JimM_PA
03-22-2011, 17:56
....Except for my S70 Gold Cup.

What he said...

brisk21
03-22-2011, 20:50
The biggest thing I don't like on GI style guns is the grip safety. You just can't beat an upswept beavertail grip safety. Very hard to go back to a GI style after that. Everything else is nice to have but I prefer the grip safety upgrade one of the best.

mr00jimbo
03-23-2011, 10:08
I have a stock series 70 repro. It's damn accurate and looks good doing it. Only problem is the hammer bites the web of my hand and draws blood the way i hold it lol.

BlayGlock
03-23-2011, 10:32
You are missing out on that sweet Taurus loaded with $2K in custom features for only $600 be getting the Colt.