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ILannoyed
03-18-2011, 09:31
*** Updated 3/23/11. I was finally able to take the two out together to do a comparison. After shooting, I think it's accurate to say that the Guardian is a considerable improvement over the CBOB.

What I was really concerned about, especially for my wife's sake, was the felt recoil. Although the frame of the Guardian is much lighter, the recoil with a variety of ammunition was entirely manageable. In fact, I had a hard time telling if the recoil was any worse than that experienced with the CBOB even when hotter ammo was used. I really couldn't tell. Shooting a 200 Gr. LSWC with 5.6 grains of Unique or 4.8 grains of Bullseye was a pleasure. I'm pleased to say that even these mild loads cycled the slide well.

My second concern was reliability. After seeing how tight the fit on this gun was, I really had doubts about how well it would cycle. For the first couple mags, the slide did run slowly despite being well lubed. I had a couple instances where the slide did not go totally back into battery, but I'd chalk that up to tightness. It went away after about 40 rounds. It seemed to loosten up a bit, as can be expected. The ramped barrel was a non issue and with its nice polish did not impede reliability in the slightest.

Lastly, the accuracy was something I was curious to see. There have been reports of 9mm Guardians shooting high and off center. My own CBOB needs a 6 o'clock sight picture. With the Guardian, I did need to aim a little below the target, but it was still somewhat close to POA. Below is my first eight shots from the pistol, two handed from about 10 yards.
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/c00e662b.jpg

Later in the session, I had several targets with tighter groups, especially when shooting the 200 gr LSWC.

In conclusion, I am very impressed with the Guardian. It may very well be my favorite gun, not by virtue of being new, but rather by delivering on my high expectations. It does everything my CBOB does but is lighter, has a more durable finish on the slide, has a slightly better trigger that I expect will get even better with time, and is easier for those with small hands to use well while being equally comfortable for guys with larger hands like myself.
Then again, there should be an improvement in quality for the what these guns are going for now. I'm happy to say that indeed there is.




OLD Post below.
Hey fellow 1911 enthusiasts. I recently decided to purchase a Guardian in .45 to compliment my beloved 2009 CBOB. During my search for information, the CZ website was little help and it was somewhat difficult to find all the information I was after, especially detailed measurements. The pictures below are recent pics I took for the sake of comparison. Please excuse my amateur photography skills.
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/Headtohead.jpg

The first thing I noticed was just how much lighter the new Guardian is. Since I have not shot it yet, I'm interested to see what kind of difference it makes in the recoil. At any rate, I have a bunch of mousefart 200 GR LSWC's loaded up for the wife.

The fit and finish is superb, and the polish on the ramped barrel is first rate. I feel better having the duty treat on this gun, because the polished stainless flats on the CBOB show every single nick and mark.

Measurements were taken with an RCBS caliper and in the case of the circumference, a piece of string. Circumference and trigger reach were measured from the narrowest points on the trigger and grip safety. Thickness was measured from the thickest point on the line drawn between the two like so:
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/linemark.jpg

CBOB:
Thickness: 1.285", Trigger Reach: 2.81", Circumference: 7.1875"

Guardian:
Thickness: 1.14", Trigger Reach 2.71", Circumference: 6.375"

***My measurements aren't perfect, but should give you a pretty good idea of what to expect.*******

These measurements were of particular importance to me because my wife loves to shoot the CBOB, but would prefer something a little easier to grasp with her small hands.

The Guardian's grips are certainly slim!
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/DSC_0105.jpg
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/Guardthick.jpg
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/ThickCBOB.jpg
The Guardian appears to keep just about all the best features from the CBOB and improves upon a few things that I would have liked on my 09 CBOB.

ILannoyed
03-18-2011, 09:31
The checkering is extended very slightly towards the trigger guard on the Guardian. It feels much better because my middle finger now has more of a textured surface to rest on. It doesn't look like much, but it feels much better in the hand:
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/GuardChecker-1.jpg

The front sights are nicer too, though the 2010 CBOBs have a white outline on the front. Dan Wesson kept the yellow rear and green front, which is something I really liked.
Guardian:
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/FSguard.jpg

CBOB:
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/FSCbob.jpg

All in all, I am very impressed with this gun, though for the price it had better be top-notch. I look forward to updating this post with shooting impressions sometime next week. Thanks for reading.

Hokie1911
03-18-2011, 10:05
Nice! Congrats. I am back and forth on a 9mm Guardian vs EMP purchase later this summer. Luckily I happen to know a certain someone that has both so I can shoot them together. :whistling:

ILannoyed
03-18-2011, 11:04
I was thinking of a Guardian in 9 or an EMP for a while too. I figured I would want the Guardian in .45 too bad though, so I decided to wait. I think I'll pick up an EMP later this year.

G27RR
03-18-2011, 11:40
if I ever get a DW, that would be the one. Nice.

Sarge43
03-18-2011, 11:42
Good write up! Love to hear your shooting impressions after the range. I'm one that thinks the CBOB pricing was just too cheap for the product when they were out (lucky us), and that the prices now are more "realistic" for the product they're putting out. I never had a case of the *ss chap over it. Still a small pile of money cheaper than the EB's at street prices.
Thanks for the pics and comparisons!
Sarge

sirgarreth
03-18-2011, 11:59
Sorry for not knowing, but what trigger is that on your CBOB?? Very nice guns by the way!

ILannoyed
03-18-2011, 12:31
Good write up! Love to hear your shooting impressions after the range. I'm one that thinks the CBOB pricing was just too cheap for the product when they were out (lucky us), and that the prices now are more "realistic" for the product they're putting out. I never had a case of the *ss chap over it. Still a small pile of money cheaper than the EB's at street prices.
Thanks for the pics and comparisons!
Sarge

My feelings on the CBOB and Dan Wesson price increases are mixed. They are improved but are no longer the value they used to be. I was a little late to the party with the CBOB, but still able to purchase it at a price point where I considered it a solid value. The Guardian was really on the upper end of what I would pay for anything not marked Brown, Baer, Wilson, etc. That said, I am very impressed with the tight fit and immaculate finish.

Sorry for not knowing, but what trigger is that on your CBOB?? Very nice guns by the way!

That's just the standard CBOB trigger. The Guardian does have a slightly shorter solid trigger.

holesinpaper
03-18-2011, 15:16
I was thinking of a Guardian in 9 or an EMP for a while too. I figured I would want the Guardian in .45 too bad though, so I decided to wait. I think I'll pick up an EMP later this year.

Personally I like the Guardian 9mm better than the EMP 9mm.

awpk03s
03-18-2011, 15:22
Those are both beautiful weapons - congrats! Officially jealous...

knedrgr
03-18-2011, 20:45
Nice man. Looking to see how they compare.

rsxr22
03-18-2011, 20:51
Awesome comparison Bro. Beautiful guns!

20South
03-18-2011, 21:09
Thanks for taking the time for the pics and the contrast IL! Two fine pieces!

ILannoyed
03-21-2011, 17:42
Pic of the feed ramp.
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo267/jonrem/02cfbeff.jpg

Can't wait to shoot it.

Mayhem like Me
03-21-2011, 19:17
the Guardian reminds me of my favorite 9mm the S&W 439-639.. awesome feel very accurate.

Quack
03-21-2011, 19:25
Nice!!! i like my Guardian.

The Guardian does have a slightly shorter solid trigger.

yep, the Guardian uses a medium trigger, while the Cbob uses a long curve.

ILannoyed
03-23-2011, 22:00
Updated with a range report. Thanks for reading.

Hokie1911
03-23-2011, 22:19
Updated with a range report. Thanks for reading.

Great writeup. Sounds like a keeper :thumbsup:

HAIL CAESAR
03-23-2011, 22:32
Good gun and write up. I am trying to find an excuse to buy one myself.

ILannoyed
03-24-2011, 13:21
Good gun and write up. I am trying to find an excuse to buy one myself.

You absolutely should. I'm very pleased so far.