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skdmrklcy
03-22-2011, 21:25
It started as a search for a gun to play in USPSA but I decided I wanted 1911, even if it isn't the best idea for competition. I may end up trading a M&P 45 for something for that purpose.

So I went out and looked at a Gold Cup that was really loose and checked out the Colt Rail Gun. It was very tight and has a trigger that feels good to me. I ended up taking it home, even though I had not planned on buying today.

I know the Rail isn't for everyone and a lot seem to have issue with the name, but I like it. I used to want a Springfield Operator or Kimbers Rail Version, so this fits me to a T.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2411.jpg

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2413.jpg

Close up of the 100 Years of Service Roll Mark.
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2416.jpg

Now some questions for the 1911 experts.. I want to add a small Magwell to it. Is something like the Techwell the way to go? Or would a Mainspring with magwell be better? I want to change the grips anyway, I just like black grips on a stainless gun. I have seen some really nice burl grips that would be nice but that would remove the Techwell option, and I am not sure smooth grips are the best idea.

Second Question... are Wilson Combat still the go to mags?

I have missed have a 1911, nothing else has the same feel!

bikewriter
03-22-2011, 21:39
If this Colt is not going to be the uspsa or idpa gun I would put a S&A magwell on. And if you're not going to be shooting L10 or even SSTK with this I'd get some nice 7-rounders with base pads. Or you could get some Wilson 47D or Chip McCormick Power Mag 8 rounders and use them for CDP or SSTK in the other gun; two birds with one stone kind of thing.

FLuXmr2spyder
03-22-2011, 21:40
congrats...i like to use the Kimber factory blued 8rounder....i shoot mine bone stock, just keep it clean :)

20South
03-22-2011, 21:43
Congrats on the Colt. Who cares what others on the internet think about your gun or your rail. I think it looks great btw. As for grips, I am putting black Alumagrips on the stainless I have on order. VZ has a lot of nice options - or you could go with something more custom like Esmeralda or our very own Sarge43 (http://www.thefinergrain.com) I have had no issues with any of my new Wilson 47D or ETM's. I shoot those and the Metalforms that I got from my Springfield Loaded Coupon almost exclusively. Lots of people swear by the CMC Power Mags too. Good luck with the new piece and welcome back to the sickness.

20South
03-22-2011, 21:45
and btw - glad to see another south central ohio-an on the board. The north side of the state is starting to take over this board...

thecableguy
03-22-2011, 21:48
Like 20 said who cates what others think as long as your happy.
The Colt looks great, Congrats.

up1911fan
03-22-2011, 21:48
Congrats, i like the rail gun, i just wish Colt would've either left off the FCS or ended them where the rail starts. If you want a S&A style add on magwell check out the MARS Armament version, it's a machined part, not cast.

38 Super Fan
03-22-2011, 21:52
Congrats on the new Colt. :cool:

Hokie1911
03-22-2011, 22:13
and btw - glad to see another south central ohio-an on the board. The north side of the state is starting to take over this board...

Here's a little Northside love for you 20. :supergrin:

http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Calvin_Peeing_decal.gif Southern Ohio

20South
03-22-2011, 22:15
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Hokie1911
03-22-2011, 22:19
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Nakanokalronin
03-23-2011, 01:27
I put a S&A MSH/Magwell on mine.

http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/143/11cfc3552ced453c8be135b5e9448234/l.jpg

TSAX
03-23-2011, 01:38
Congrats, and if you don't mind telling what was the out the door cost in this. :wavey:

jrs93accord
03-23-2011, 01:52
Congrats on your new Colt.

R0CKETMAN
03-23-2011, 04:08
Nice Colt. An Ed Brown two piece would be another option.

stumpjumper
03-23-2011, 04:41
Very nice looking gun.

skdmrklcy
03-23-2011, 07:22
Hmmm Nakanokalronin that looks good! I am going to have to look at these options some more. Is weight a big change if I wanted to shoot Single Stack? I know some of the magwells are legal and some are not.

The out the door cost was like 1100 total. I could have got it from Buds for a little less but then I would have to wait and the slide to frame fit on some colts is not as tight as I would like so I felt better knowing this one was.

I also just ignore the Amish from up north.

faawrenchbndr
03-23-2011, 07:51
Nice Colt,.......:supergrin:

Nickpisp
03-23-2011, 07:52
Nice!

BuckyP
03-23-2011, 09:34
Hmmm Nakanokalronin that looks good! I am going to have to look at these options some more. Is weight a big change if I wanted to shoot Single Stack? I know some of the magwells are legal and some are not.


I've done a lot of research on single stack mag wells recently, and have tried quite a few. First off, the mag well will be legal for Single Stack provided the gun makes weight and fits the box. Here is what I've found:

S&A: This is my favorite design and have been using them for years. The extra length of the mag well, combined with a proper blended grip provides the best feel in my opinion. Installation is solid and simple. On the down side, there are better options out there for pure competition. I fought it for years, but newer models offer a lot more room for error. Let's face it, the reason for the mag well is to correct error. If you could hit the opening perfect every time, there would be no reason for it. However, this is a great option for a home defense or duty/open carry gun. It's not obtrusive and has the most solid / stable mounting system.

SV/Infinity: From a performance standpoint, nothing is better in my opinion. The angles offer the smoothest correction of magazine insert. Also, you get a complete wrap around effect without the need for special base pads (within reason). I also like the push up effect it gives. Another advantage is weight, as you can get an aluminum MSH to go with it if you are close to the weight restriction. On the other hand, the cons to follow have moved me away from this design (though I do currently have 3). First and foremost is cost. These units will run you $175. The second issue is that, since it wraps around the front strap of the gun, there is some custom fitting that is involved. Once you custom fit it, it may not fit on another gun (unless that grip is "bigger"). Before using these, I never realized how much different in size one 1911 could be from another. The other thing is the hookie way that it mounts to the gun (not to be confuse with the hookie poster here). The MSH is machined in a way that the mag well "shares" one side of the MSH pin. This makes for some tricky installation, and even once everything is fitted, the on and off can be a pain. When putting the pin in, I've found you need to work the mainspring up from the other side of the pin hole.

Dawson: Dawson makes two models. One has an opening in the front (though it does wrap all the way around) and is compatible with "all" magazines. The other is enclosed in the front and requires base pads that he sells. I have the "all magazine" model. The reload is much more forgiving than the S&A, but not quite as nice as the SV. Installation is pretty simple. The mag well bolts to the MSH (also included) with a single allen bolt. So far, this has held up well for me. After which, a plastic insert goes in place. The insert is replaceable. If you use an aluminum mag well, you know it will get nicked up over time, so a replaceable insert does make sense. Another good thing about the Dawson is price. He has a sale on them now for $99. On the down side, they really pushed the limit on the width. It is exactly the size of the box. There were some IDPA boxes that were sold that were not to spec. If you do IDPA, you may need to keep that in mind if you face such a box.

Techwell: I don't own any of these (yet?), but my buddy uses them exclusively. I'd say they are on part with the Dawson from a performance perspective. The installation seems easy, but you are required to use their grips. If you like the grips, that is a plus.

I don't have a pic of the Dawson yet, but here is an S&A that has been opened up and blended by EGW, the stock SV magwell and an STI with EGW magwell for comparison. I'll try to get a pick with the Dawson later this week.

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/magwell.jpg

As you can see, there are pros and cons to each. I wish S&A would make a mag well that matched the SV in opening size and angles. That would be the perfect solution IMO, as it's the best mounting system.

Anyway, Hope some of this is helpful. :wavey:

skdmrklcy
03-23-2011, 10:45
Wow thanks a lot!

I think for this I am looking for something like the S&A so I have the option to carry it. If I really got into it I could see going to a larger one if I added another gun just for that.

I must say some wonderful and helpful people hear in this little corner of GlockTalk.

skdmrklcy
03-23-2011, 11:29
http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80000A48-1248106764

Is the other one you spoke of? That seems like a good compromise in size.

Worst case I end up in Limited 10 right? If I don't really care about winning, and want to shoot I could still do that correct?

BuckyP
03-23-2011, 11:56
http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80000A48-1248106764

Is the other one you spoke of? That seems like a good compromise in size.

Worst case I end up in Limited 10 right? If I don't really care about winning, and want to shoot I could still do that correct?

That is the one that I have and it is Single Stack legal. It IS IDPA legal as well, just some of the IDPA boxes were sized incorrectly.

skdmrklcy
03-23-2011, 12:42
I am fairly handy with computers and electronics, how difficult is it to change a mainspring housing on a 1911?

I assume it is a good idea to change from plastic anyway?

skdmrklcy
03-24-2011, 09:35
I think I am going to try out the Dawson Precision ICE, now for a dumb question will that work with Magwell Grips? They picture it on the site with Normal Grips which looks off to me. I can't seem to find other photos of them.

bac1023
03-24-2011, 12:00
Congrats! :cool:

Looks nice.

skdmrklcy
03-24-2011, 12:10
I thought you hated railed 1911s?

bac1023
03-24-2011, 12:13
I thought you hated railed 1911s?

I don't hate them. I just prefer them without rails.

If I used a 1911 for HD, I'd probably pick one up with a rail.

BuckyP
03-24-2011, 15:16
I think I am going to try out the Dawson Precision ICE, now for a dumb question will that work with Magwell Grips? They picture it on the site with Normal Grips which looks off to me. I can't seem to find other photos of them.

Here is my Smith with VZ Grips:
(Unfortunately I didn't notice the shadow when I too the pic)
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/sw1911a.jpg

While I was at it, I updated the mag well picture.
The Dawson is the second one in. It is actually wider than the SV, but I still feel the SV works better, which must be the angles. Still like I said, cost and frustration factor, I'll not likely get another.
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/magwells.jpg

glock2740
03-24-2011, 19:13
It started as a search for a gun to play in USPSA but I decided I wanted 1911, even if it isn't the best idea for competition. I may end up trading a M&P 45 for something for that purpose.

So I went out and looked at a Gold Cup that was really loose and checked out the Colt Rail Gun. It was very tight and has a trigger that feels good to me. I ended up taking it home, even though I had not planned on buying today.

I know the Rail isn't for everyone and a lot seem to have issue with the name, but I like it. I used to want a Springfield Operator or Kimbers Rail Version, so this fits me to a T.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2411.jpg

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2413.jpg

Close up of the 100 Years of Service Roll Mark.
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/skdmrklcy/IMGP2416.jpg

Now some questions for the 1911 experts.. I want to add a small Magwell to it. Is something like the Techwell the way to go? Or would a Mainspring with magwell be better? I want to change the grips anyway, I just like black grips on a stainless gun. I have seen some really nice burl grips that would be nice but that would remove the Techwell option, and I am not sure smooth grips are the best idea.

Second Question... are Wilson Combat still the go to mags?

I have missed have a 1911, nothing else has the same feel!
Congrats! Good looking gun.