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mixflip
03-22-2011, 22:53
My friend showed me his old 1911 that he bought back in 1986 when he was in the Army for $275. The slide says Remington Rand and the frame says Essex Arms Corp. What are we dealing with here? Is it a WWII era 1911? Is it worth alot of money? It is in very worn and faded condition but still a cool looking old 1911 none the less.

I am thinking its a newer made gun since it has a full length guide rod and adjustable target sights. The old G.I.'s didnt have those, that I do know. Or maybe its a Frankenstien gun?

MD357
03-22-2011, 23:23
Your friend is FOS. It's a franken gun.

SGT HATRED
03-22-2011, 23:26
Remington rand's sell for lots of $ on gunbroker... That's about all I know

HAIL CAESAR
03-22-2011, 23:34
It's a Rem Rand slide and a POS Essex frame. It is worth what the slide is worth....probably 400 bills in the condition you described.

mpmax
03-23-2011, 00:28
Essex was an low end after market frame and parts maker, if the slide has been cut on (dovetailed front sight cut, ejection port lowered, or millet double drilled), then the slide is no longer a collectable piece. The guns is worth the value of the parts.

MD357
03-23-2011, 00:35
POS Essex frame. .

Now you did it.... our resident Essex apologist will be along shortly. :cool:

HAIL CAESAR
03-23-2011, 00:39
Essex was an low end after market frame and parts maker, if the slide has been cut on (dovetailed front sight cut, ejection port lowered, or millet double drilled), then the slide is no longer a collectable piece. The guns is worth the value of the parts.

I read over were the slides probably been chopped for sights. I take the $400 dollars back and say probably under $300...if it actually works.

Now you did it.... our resident Essex apologist will be along shortly. :cool:

Oh, well. I guess I will make another friend.

jrs93accord
03-23-2011, 01:55
It is worth about what he paid for it. That is it. There is no real value in that particular gun.

MajorD
03-23-2011, 08:52
back in the 60's and 70's the only replacement frame maker was essex so back in the day your choices were to find a new colt used colt old gi gun or build a frankengun with an essex frame. Many people did the latter. At the time surplus GI parts abounded and USGI 1911's were still common and cheap which is why you see so many today that have been chopped on. Essex frames were not known for quality but that does not mean some guns made on essex frames run fine.

md2lgyk
03-23-2011, 09:35
My bullseye .45 is a "franken" gun built on an Essex frame. A gunsmith friend built it back in 1985 - Kart match barrel, Gold Cup slide, lots of Wilson goodies. With my best match load it will shoot 1.5" groups at 25 yards. Not National Championship accuracy but good enough for me to carry an NRA Expert classification. The frame is kinda ugly but the gun certainly "runs."

FLIPPER 348
03-23-2011, 09:56
I've built a dozen or so 1911s on Eseex frames with no function or spec issues.