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BuckyP
03-28-2011, 06:26
Seems many here prefer the traditional 5" 1911, though it seems the "enhanced" version are preferred (beaver tails, better sights, etc). Beyond that, there are aversions that we have. So which is yours?

1. High Capacity 1911s.

2. Non .45 1911s

3. Gamey addons (massive mag wells, dot sights, compensators, etc)

4. Anything but a 5"

5. Anything under 4"

6. Firing Pin Safeties.

7. External Extractors

8. Other

My #1 is the grip activated firing pin safety. I'm getting ready to rip that out of my S&W, which means it will no longer be legal for IDPA, but still OK for USPSA and Steel Challenge. I also don't see me getting anything smaller than a commander size slide, unless it is an EMP which has smaller proportions all around.

On the other hand, I like the high caps and have STI, SV, and Caspian. The mag prices are outrageous though. :steamed:

So what are your "dislikes"?

knedrgr
03-28-2011, 06:32
1, 3 and 7 are on my list.

Others are:
- square trigger guard. If done correctly, I can live with it.
- adjustable rear sight.

BlayGlock
03-28-2011, 07:13
Mainly #6. #8 would be those that want to argue over semantics saying a non .45 1911 is not a "real" 1911 because thier grandpappy didn't use to storm (insert beach or jungle here).

a45sArtwork
03-28-2011, 07:15
#2

Non .45 1911's

TKR Reptiles
03-28-2011, 07:23
#9. SA 1911's :animlol:

craig19
03-28-2011, 07:32
I'm not a fan of compensators. I hate square trigger guards on 1911s. Those are my biggest two.

rsxr22
03-28-2011, 07:35
I dont hate any of those things mentioned besides firing pin safeties and external extractor. but if it was properly done, I could care less. Gamey add-ons are fine as long as its a gaming pistol

Nickpisp
03-28-2011, 07:39
1, 3 and 7 are on my list.




These.

knedrgr
03-28-2011, 07:41
#9. SA 1911's :animlol:

Don't you mean DW 1911's? ::whistling:

20South
03-28-2011, 07:47
I guess 3 and 7. The fact that I would buy an STI Perfect 10 takes out most of whats left.

Agent6-3/8
03-28-2011, 07:52
To each his own, but 1, 3 and 5 are on my list. I wouldn't say I hate them, but I most certainly have no use for them.

TKR Reptiles
03-28-2011, 07:54
Don't you mean DW 1911's? ::whistling:

OH YEAH! Those too!!! :rofl:

The SA was mainly for Quack and his Kool Aid cup... :animlol:

GJ1981
03-28-2011, 08:10
#9. SA 1911's

:agree:

I've had more problems with SUCS then ANY pistol I've ever owned. Guess I should have bought a Hi-Point 1911...I would have expected issues from them.

I'll add #11 now, 1911's that are not ready to go out of the box or have durability issues...see #9.

TSAX
03-28-2011, 08:11
What annoys me the most is not on your list so I will add #10 not enough ranges have 1911's to rent so that we can test fire. I have seen ranges with as little as 6 and as much as 15. With so many 1911 options it would be nice to get a feel for them especially for those that can't afford to buy and test several $1000 guns before they find the right one for them.




:50cal:

Cerebrus
03-28-2011, 08:45
I can pretty much live with that list.. I guess the things that do bother me are purely cosmetic.. namely the FCS and EE.. neither of which looks "right" on a 1911 imo...

BuckyP
03-28-2011, 08:58
I can pretty much live with that list.. I guess the things that do bother me are purely cosmetic.. namely the FCS and EE.. neither of which looks "right" on a 1911 imo...

Ah, the FCS. I should have included that one. I know many do not prefer them.

MajorD
03-28-2011, 09:16
I like a very traditional looking 1911- other than putting higher profile sights on it, I like the looks of a USGI 1911A1- short trigger arched housing things I hate on 1911's:
front cocking serrations
long triggers, especially with holes in them
full length guide rods
I don't get hammer bite so get rid of all those commander hammers and beavertails too.
basically I'm happy with what a colt 1991 looked like when they came out- except swap out the long trigger anf flat mainspring housing and I'd be happy.
another HUGE thing I hate is 1911's marketed by companies that do not freely reveal the gun is not made in America- like "the oldest name in american firearms" or the American classic

MajorD
03-28-2011, 09:17
regarding my last point many companies hide the fact a product is not made here to the point I've seen guys amazed to find out a 1911 they bought was made in the phillipines or brazil-"I had not idea" they say.

HAIL CAESAR
03-28-2011, 09:39
I might be able to live with most of the list depending on mission and the individual gun.

But strictly for looks....I can't STAND the big square trigger guards. Arrggg, IMO and eyes they are hideous. (No insult to folks that have them.)

HAIL CAESAR
03-28-2011, 09:42
Oh, and huge billboards and the entire safety manual on the slide. For a working gun it wouldn't matter I guess, but for a strictly pleasure/collector gun I wouldn't consider it.

FM12
03-28-2011, 09:51
Billboards.

Nickpisp
03-28-2011, 09:53
regarding my last point many companies hide the fact a product is not made here to the point I've seen guys amazed to find out a 1911 they bought was made in the phillipines or brazil-"I had not idea" they say.


They should probably read the side of their guns before they buy.

Nakanokalronin
03-28-2011, 09:58
Square trigger guards because it doesn't look right.

Anything plastic or polymer, however one views it.

Firing pin safeties because it is an add-on jerry-rig system after the gun was made. Current made guns have them, but are originally designed with it from the get go. I don't pass up a 1911 with a swartz or 80 series safety, however I make sure to deactivate them a.s.a.p after bringing the new addition home.

Giant billboard logos.

External extractors.

Race guns that look like something out of Star Wars.


I'm not "offended" by these things, I just don't care for them.

spookshack
03-28-2011, 10:01
Damn, MIM sould have been #1 on the list. :whistling:

Detonics forward mounted rear sight. :puking:

Giant billboards, squared trigger guards, and flat triggers. :ack:

TKR Reptiles
03-28-2011, 10:18
Oh, and huge billboards and the entire safety manual on the slide. For a working gun it wouldn't matter I guess, but for a strictly pleasure/collector gun I wouldn't consider it.

:agree::lv702:

coryd
03-28-2011, 11:11
My dislikes include:
billboards, external extractors, fps, fcs, short triggers, and arched MSH.

My likes include:
Long walks on the beach, golden retrievers, candle lit dinners, and ..... Oh wait, you guys probably don't wanna hear about that stuff.

BuckyP
03-28-2011, 11:21
My likes include:
Long walks on the beach, golden retrievers, candle lit dinners, and ..... Oh wait, you guys probably don't wanna hear about that stuff.


Hey, what you do with your 1911s..... :whistling:

Hokie1911
03-28-2011, 11:52
Not enough ammo. That pisses me off. :supergrin:

Nickpisp
03-28-2011, 13:02
Pic's of Don's colon and dropped deuce's.

TKR Reptiles
03-28-2011, 13:05
Pic's of Don's colon and dropped deuce's.

:wow: :animlol: :rofl:

Hokie1911
03-28-2011, 13:16
Pic's of Don's colon and dropped deuce's.

http://www.badideatshirts.com/Assets/ProductImages/PS_0469_CHARLIE_WINNING_t.jpg

JoshuaC
03-28-2011, 13:51
Rails.

Why would you ruin a 1911 like that.

BuckyP
03-28-2011, 13:55
Rails.

Why would you ruin a 1911 like that.

Ah, another one I overlooked. I have no railed 1911s. :innocent:

Gunshine
03-28-2011, 14:49
Rails. Gold dodads. And Blue waffle grips.

Wade-19
03-28-2011, 14:50
Billboards and FCS .

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
03-28-2011, 14:54
Ah, another one I overlooked. I have no railed 1911s. :innocent:


There we go. As I read thru the thread, I was waiting to see someone throw that out :rofl:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
03-28-2011, 14:55
Rails.

Why would you ruin a 1911 like that.

I personally think SOME railed 1911s look pretty cool. The S&W ones and the Colt railed guns don't do anything for me. But the Springers look pretty cool. And while I don't personally care for Kimber - their railed frame does look pretty cool IMHO...

DLL9mm
03-28-2011, 14:59
I personally don't care for 1911s under 4in. Not a fan of external extractors either.

GJ1981
03-28-2011, 15:10
Why would you ruin a 1911 like that.

Maybe those who use their pistol and want a weapon mount light? But maybe they should forgo what works for them in order to not tarnish the classic lines of a working? pistol :rofl:

Not all 1911's are safe queens, or so I once thought.

FLIPPER 348
03-28-2011, 15:16
So what are your "dislikes"?




1911 snobs


....other than them the more 1911-clones on the market and in shooter's hands the better!

Nakanokalronin
03-28-2011, 15:29
Maybe those who use their pistol and want a weapon mount light? But maybe they should forgo what works for them in order to not tarnish the classic lines of a working? pistol :rofl:

Not all 1911's are safe queens, or so I once thought.

Exactly why my Colt Rail Gun does HD duty with a TLR-1 attached. Its the only railed 1911 I own and was bought with HD in mind.

kirgi08
03-28-2011, 15:51
FCS/rail/EE.'08.

quantico
03-28-2011, 16:06
I dislike external extractors , added safety parts , huge square triggerguards , too much tactical cuts and rails etc , lazer sights , billboard graphics and any style of ruger or s&w warnings to get a free owners manual before operating. My number one hate in any gun is a magazine disconnector. Double action 1911s are another idea from hell.

Don-wayne
03-28-2011, 17:18
Two things offend me. Guys with high dollar customs that can't shoot and High dollar safe queens. OH AND QUACKS STRANGE OBSESSIONS.:tongueout:

Cobra64
03-28-2011, 18:52
What annoys me the most is not on your list so I will add #10 not enough ranges have 1911's to rent so that we can test fire. I have seen ranges with as little as 6 and as much as 15. With so many 1911 options it would be nice to get a feel for them especially for those that can't afford to buy and test several $1000 guns before they find the right one for them.


Just drop by Bac's place. That's what my wife and I did and decided on a Les Baer as my next 1911. :supergrin:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/BRIANs1911.jpg

bac1023
03-28-2011, 21:00
Seems many here prefer the traditional 5" 1911, though it seems the "enhanced" version are preferred (beaver tails, better sights, etc). Beyond that, there are aversions that we have. So which is yours?

1. High Capacity 1911s.

2. Non .45 1911s

3. Gamey addons (massive mag wells, dot sights, compensators, etc)

4. Anything but a 5"

5. Anything under 4"

6. Firing Pin Safeties.

7. External Extractors

8. Other

My #1 is the grip activated firing pin safety. I'm getting ready to rip that out of my S&W, which means it will no longer be legal for IDPA, but still OK for USPSA and Steel Challenge. I also don't see me getting anything smaller than a commander size slide, unless it is an EMP which has smaller proportions all around.

On the other hand, I like the high caps and have STI, SV, and Caspian. The mag prices are outrageous though. :steamed:

So what are your "dislikes"?


1,2, and 5 for me. ;)

bac1023
03-28-2011, 21:02
I dislike external extractors , added safety parts , huge square triggerguards , too much tactical cuts and rails etc , lazer sights , billboard graphics and any style of ruger or s&w warnings to get a free owners manual before operating. My number one hate in any gun is a magazine disconnector. Double action 1911s are another idea from hell.

I don't mind external extractors at all, but I dislike square trigger guards, rails, and lasers.

quantico
03-28-2011, 22:58
I don't mind external extractors at all, but I dislike square trigger guards, rails, and lasers.

Please purchase up the external extractor 1911s because they make me angry.

kirgi08
03-28-2011, 23:17
He's got a 5k 1911 with one installed.'08.

Cobra64
03-28-2011, 23:36
I don't mind external extractors at all, but I dislike square trigger guards, rails, and lasers.

:agree:

I can't stand rails, especially on a 1911. If someone gave me a railed 1911, I'd sell it immediately. As for the dopey square trigger guards, that fad died out a few years after it came into vogue; but someone forgot to tell the pistol manufacturers. At least they can be ground off.

Lasers are useful for dry fire practice.

Cobra64
03-28-2011, 23:42
He's got a 5k 1911 with one installed.'08.

The next time I travel through PA, I'm going to swing by Brian's house again and check it out. :)

S&W got 'em right. Their Performance Center has a slightly bigger extractor.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCRIGHT02-PICASSA.jpg

brisk21
03-29-2011, 08:24
Seems many here prefer the traditional 5" 1911, though it seems the "enhanced" version are preferred (beaver tails, better sights, etc). Beyond that, there are aversions that we have. So which is yours?

1. High Capacity 1911s.

2. Non .45 1911s

3. Gamey addons (massive mag wells, dot sights, compensators, etc)

4. Anything but a 5"

5. Anything under 4"

6. Firing Pin Safeties.

7. External Extractors

8. Other

My #1 is the grip activated firing pin safety. I'm getting ready to rip that out of my S&W, which means it will no longer be legal for IDPA, but still OK for USPSA and Steel Challenge. I also don't see me getting anything smaller than a commander size slide, unless it is an EMP which has smaller proportions all around.

On the other hand, I like the high caps and have STI, SV, and Caspian. The mag prices are outrageous though. :steamed:

So what are your "dislikes"?


1,3, 6, & 7. Square trigger guards don't look right. I dont mind rails on a "home defense" 1911, since a prefer a weapon mounted light. I dont really like the looks of them but it does serve a purpose. If an external extractor scientifically proved to be a superior design, Id accept it. Hi-caps should be strictly for competition in my opinion. Even if I competed, Id stay in the single stack class personally.

bikewriter
03-29-2011, 08:43
Friends who ask my opinion on which 1911 to purchase based on me asking them "what do you intend to use it for" and then they go to a damn sportsman benefit dinner auction circle jerk and pay retail + 20% for some Kimber with tacky grips, plain 3-dot sights and engraving straight out of some zombie movie.

TKR Reptiles
03-29-2011, 08:58
Seems many here prefer the traditional 5" 1911, though it seems the "enhanced" version are preferred (beaver tails, better sights, etc). Beyond that, there are aversions that we have. So which is yours?

1. High Capacity 1911s.

2. Non .45 1911s

3. Gamey addons (massive mag wells, dot sights, compensators, etc)

4. Anything but a 5"

5. Anything under 4"

6. Firing Pin Safeties.

7. External Extractors

8. Other

My #1 is the grip activated firing pin safety. I'm getting ready to rip that out of my S&W, which means it will no longer be legal for IDPA, but still OK for USPSA and Steel Challenge. I also don't see me getting anything smaller than a commander size slide, unless it is an EMP which has smaller proportions all around.

On the other hand, I like the high caps and have STI, SV, and Caspian. The mag prices are outrageous though. :steamed:

So what are your "dislikes"?

1, 3 (mainly the huge magwells, and compensators, sights are fine), 5 ( an EMP would be the ONLY exception), 8 tacky grips...

Jason D
03-29-2011, 17:40
Nowadays it's mostly anything that is not standard on a 1911A1.
I mean pretty much anything that came after 1926.

I also hate three hole triggers.

bac1023
03-29-2011, 21:00
Ah, another one I overlooked. I have no railed 1911s. :innocent:

Me neither. :)

WellArmedSheep
03-29-2011, 21:13
I don't like the look or feel of an arched mainspring housing.

My only 1911 is a 9mm with a big ol' magwell (DP ICE) so 2 and 3 aren't on my list.

lawdog734
03-29-2011, 21:17
People who wear socks with sandals....

Hokie1911
03-29-2011, 21:26
Fat chics trying to dress hot.

brisk21
03-29-2011, 21:30
People driving under the speed limit. People driving significantly over the speed limit.

20South
03-29-2011, 21:30
Fat chics trying to dress hot.

:thumbsup:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0IW1msxj1-P_y7VLOghmKY4g3HYR1wmOHXrKHgoq26bFSR2hefA

Hokie1911
03-29-2011, 21:37
:thumbsup:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0IW1msxj1-P_y7VLOghmKY4g3HYR1wmOHXrKHgoq26bFSR2hefA

It's well known that they are pack hunters. Beware my friend. Never venture out alone.

thecableguy
03-29-2011, 21:54
People who wear socks with sandals....

I thought I was the only one that hates seeing that.

bac1023
03-29-2011, 21:55
Please purchase up the external extractor 1911s because they make me angry.

:animlol:

Cobra64
03-29-2011, 22:37
People who wear socks with sandals....

This guy?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Glock/GLOCKMAN-1.jpg


:rofl:

bac1023
03-29-2011, 23:10
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Ermac
03-29-2011, 23:42
gamey addons. I can't stand these 2,000$ 1911's. It's not that I can't afford them, it's just I see no point in them. A WW2 GI is reliable and will hit what it's shooting at. What else do you need?

Cobra64
03-30-2011, 00:10
gamey addons. I can't stand these 2,000$ 1911's. It's not that I can't afford them, it's just I see no point in them. A WW2 GI is reliable and will hit what it's shooting at. What else do you need?

No addons here (http://www.heirloomprecision.com/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/).



http://www.heirloomprecision.com/mediumfoto/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/15.jpg

SHG21
03-30-2011, 00:13
FCS, rails, non vertical rear slide serrations. Oh and 1,2,3 and 5.

Maybe im to picky?

Streetking
03-30-2011, 02:04
rails. they make me want to puke

bac1023
03-30-2011, 05:38
gamey addons. I can't stand these 2,000$ 1911's. It's not that I can't afford them, it's just I see no point in them. A WW2 GI is reliable and will hit what it's shooting at. What else do you need?

Its all about quality of materials and fitting.

You get what you pay for.






.

bac1023
03-30-2011, 05:38
rails. they make me want to puke

:agree:

I'll never own one.

bac1023
03-30-2011, 05:39
No addons here (http://www.heirloomprecision.com/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/).



http://www.heirloomprecision.com/mediumfoto/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/15.jpg

Yeah, that's a beautiful 1911. :)

nevnut
03-30-2011, 06:12
People who are easily offended.

bac1023
03-30-2011, 06:41
People who are easily offended.

None of this stuff offends me at all, actually.

I only pointed out what I don't personally buy.

BuckyP
03-30-2011, 06:50
None of this stuff offends me at all, actually.

Nothing?

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ugly1911.jpg

:tongueout:

TKR Reptiles
03-30-2011, 08:16
This guy?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Glock/GLOCKMAN-1.jpg


:rofl:

:animlol:

TKR Reptiles
03-30-2011, 08:17
Nothing?

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ugly1911.jpg

:tongueout:


DUDE!!! That is BADASS!!!

Agent6-3/8
03-30-2011, 08:28
While I'm not opposed to railed guns and even like them for duty use, I absolutely hate full railed 1911's. No one needs to hang anything that far out and all they do is add unneeded weight.

bac1023
03-30-2011, 09:10
Nothing?

http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/ugly1911.jpg

:tongueout:

:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
03-30-2011, 12:52
No addons here (http://www.heirloomprecision.com/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/).



http://www.heirloomprecision.com/mediumfoto/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/15.jpg




......put a wide-spurr hammer on it & standard GI sights and it would frigin' perfect!

Jason D
03-30-2011, 15:59
I don't like the external extractor either, but most don't realize John Browning had them in his 1911 precursor, the 1905 pistol.

Hawker Man
03-31-2011, 18:57
Ambidextrous safety.
Anything under 5 inch barrel length
Gold parts
Grips that are smooth

thecableguy
03-31-2011, 19:00
This thread going on for so long!!:supergrin:

Cobra64
03-31-2011, 19:17
I don't like the external extractor either, but most don't realize John Browning had them in his 1911 precursor, the 1905 pistol.

I did not know that. Thanks Jason!

Cobra64
03-31-2011, 19:22
......put a wide-spurr hammer on it & standard GI sights and it would frigin' perfect!

:agree:


I'm having action work done on this one, and I'm leaving the trigger, sights, and hammer as is.



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Colt%201911%20WWI%201918/P1030491-PICASSA.jpg





http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Colt%201911%20WWI%201918/P1030527.jpg

Jason D
04-01-2011, 15:22
I did not know that. Thanks Jason!

If you are interested...
Patrick Sweeney has a new book out called 1911 The First 100 Years.
It is pretty much the history of the 1911. How we got to it, and how it was made over in to other things after the wars.

There are tons of great shots of JMB early work in it.

Retails for less than 20

Cobra64
04-01-2011, 15:31
If you are interested...
Patrick Sweeney has a new book out called 1911 The First 100 Years.
It is pretty much the history of the 1911. How we got to it, and how it was made over in to other things after the wars.

There are tons of great shots of JMB early work in it.

Retails for less than 20

Thanks Jason, I'll pick it up.

Quack
04-02-2011, 07:55
curved triggers

Don-wayne
04-02-2011, 10:39
"poeple who are intolerant of other peoples cultures and the Dutch"

Officer's Match
04-02-2011, 16:35
Bill boards and warnings, external extractors, plastic frames, odd cocking serrations (I strongly favor fine sharp ones, ala Baer) are all disqualifiers for me. Also not crazy about "painted" finishes. Not the biggest stainless steel fan, even though I own some.

Jason D
04-02-2011, 16:42
Thanks Jason, I'll pick it up.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
One neat little blurb (with pic) in it was a .45 caliber gas gun JMB designed.
It was a prototype design made before the M1911 was finalized.

I believe it is on display at the Browning museum in Utah.

Hokie1911
04-02-2011, 18:13
People that drive convertibles with the top down.....and the windows up.

Shortimer
04-02-2011, 18:50
People driving on a bridge with their turn signal on.

Nickpisp
04-02-2011, 20:21
Guys that PM you pics of their dookie.

Mr. Gekko
04-02-2011, 20:23
People who don't replace the empty bottle on the water cooler....

Dandapani
04-02-2011, 20:32
Beaver tails. I hate beaver tails.

okie
04-02-2011, 20:38
Firing Pin Safeties:supergrin:

Hokie1911
04-02-2011, 20:38
I HATE sweaty d-bag that never wipes off the equipment at the gym after he soaks it down like a male lion marking his territory.

knedrgr
04-02-2011, 23:07
Guys that takes their hi-power rifle to an indoor range.

20South
04-02-2011, 23:10
Guys that takes their hi-power rifle to an indoor range.

What better way to sight in my new .338 Lapua then in the comforts of a heated 75' stall? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

knedrgr
04-03-2011, 00:01
Saw an IDIOT trying to sight in his 308 out to 25 yards. And then proceeded to shot his line down!!! That one goes to the top of my list.

custom2
04-03-2011, 01:18
Nothing bothers me. All versions of the 1911 are good. I don't need half of the features that some of the variants offer but respect the reasoning behind it.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

FN in MT
04-03-2011, 14:32
I'm late to this game but let me add my two cents... front cocking serrations...can't see any need for them. Though have bought 1911's WITH them...can live with them...simply don't care for them.

RAILS...An absolute deal breaker. Just passed up a like new Wilson, with a few options I really wanted and VERY reasonably priced too.

Indulge me on another pet peeve...Shooting reports with the shot of the one hole target...shot at SIX or SEVEN yards! Sometimes even closer! What the heck does THAT prove?

FN in MT

Quack
04-03-2011, 18:20
I

Indulge me on another pet peeve...Shooting reports with the shot of the one hole target...shot at SIX or SEVEN yards! Sometimes even closer! What the heck does THAT prove?

FN in MT

it proves that they are a good shot at 7yards.

Quack
04-03-2011, 18:20
Saw an IDIOT trying to sight in his 308 out to 25 yards. And then proceeded to shot his line down!!! That one goes to the top of my list.

you forgot to add that we out shot him with the Wilson Longslide :supergrin:

Quack
04-03-2011, 18:31
how about Browning cuts on a 1911? :whistling:

gunsmoke92
04-04-2011, 22:48
Rails and plastic parts.