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kueblerkt
03-28-2011, 17:31
So ive got range in a couple of weeks and Im going to qualify with my personal AR since we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs. Anyway Im interested in seeing what kind of a setup you guys are running.

Heres mine: Ruger SR-556, Planning on adding an Aimpoint Comp M3, light, and vertical grip.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/206710_593681176769_76803570_33355314_4715477_n.jpg

txleapd
03-28-2011, 17:41
"....we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs."

Huh? :faint:

kueblerkt
03-28-2011, 17:52
"....we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs."

Huh? :faint:

yeah, i dunno. I dont make the rules. If we wanna add accessories we have to add them to our own rifles :wow:

Vigilant
03-28-2011, 18:23
yeah, i dunno. I dont make the rules. If we wanna add accessories we have to add them to our own rifles :wow:

At least you have the option of carrying your own weapon.

silverado_mick
03-28-2011, 18:34
No pics right now, but I'm running a run of the mill Bushy 16" Patrolman's Carbine with a Fenix Tk-10 in a Viking Tactics mounts and an EoTech 554. YHM flip up rear sight and Pmags.

I'm selling it this week though to fund my SBR build which will be a Johnson Tactical 11.5 inch barrel on an LMT upper and a Mega lower with Daniel Defense Mk18 rails. Going for light and short for ease of use from in the car and in apartments and whatnot. Basically this is a tag for pics once the paperwork goes through.

Edit: Disregard that. Things change. Will post pics in a few months when the build is done! :cool:

Dragoon44
03-28-2011, 19:58
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z222/Dragoon44_bucket/blckpwdr-1.jpg


:tongueout:

4949shooter
03-28-2011, 20:01
Dragoon is that a Hawken?

rookie1
03-28-2011, 21:32
At least you have the option of carrying your own weapon.

Im with you there. If I was allowed to carry my own I might be justified in buying one. (other half says no).

Dragoon44
03-28-2011, 21:51
Dragoon is that a Hawken?

Yep back when it was new it was the finest rifle of it's kind.

:supergrin:

Gos
03-28-2011, 23:10
Yep back when it was new it was the finest rifle of it's kind.

:supergrin:

In it's day that was quite the assult rifle....

jenrick
03-29-2011, 00:22
Daniel Defense M4 v1. EOTech 512 in a LaRue QD mount with the Po'Boy magnifier behind it. Surefire scout light up front, with a VTAC sling. Magpul BAD lever, and pmags.

I'll snap and post some pics in the morning.

-Jenrick

nitesite10mm
03-29-2011, 11:41
No pic immediately at hand of the rifles. Brand new HK416s. Not fielded yet, but we actually have them and will be qualified to carry soon. For now it's still our shotgun w/ (1) Federal Tactical Low-Recoil TruBall 1-oz slugs or (2) Federal Tactical Low-Recoil FliteControl 00-buckshot, both of which I am very okay with.

I don't even bother with the buck, it's slugs all the way baby......

shootindave
03-30-2011, 00:34
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5639/duty.jpg

Bullman
03-30-2011, 02:35
At least you have the option of carrying your own weapon.


I don't carry any office issued weapons, the Beretta 96D they issued me wouldn't shoot, had a burr on the firing pin or something like that. I had already opted to carry my own personal G22, I loaned my Beretta to another guy whose Beretta had fell apart on the range, that is when we found out it wouldn't fire.

I have trouble trusting things bought on government low bid contracts.

Cochese
03-30-2011, 04:13
Beware, bad lighting and camera phone pictures ahead.





Daniel Defense M4.

DD upper, lower and 14.5 inch LWCHFB with SF FH.
X300
Troy/Viking TRX rail
B.A.D.
AFG
Magpul MOE grip/stock
SKD Tactical P.I.G. sling on an ASAP
EOTech XPS 3-0 + G23FTS
Magpul MBUS F/R

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leflAGmZllI/TZMAhOMMfdI/AAAAAAAACgE/BsoeanfTEbE/s800/IMAG0001.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leflAGmZllI/TZMBdKdTYsI/AAAAAAAACgU/c8PBwybJhVs/s800/IMAG0006.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leflAGmZllI/TZMBmOtp3KI/AAAAAAAACgY/hiW5yV-Nt4k/s800/IMAG0004.jpg

silverado_mick
03-30-2011, 04:39
Cheesy thats a really nice setup. I just ordered an 11.5in SBR with a 9" Troy TRX rail. Care to give me a quick review on yours? I was thinking of switching over from a VFG to the AFG too, so your input would be appreciated on that as well. Thanks man.

Cochese
03-30-2011, 05:02
Cheesy thats a really nice setup. I just ordered an 11.5in SBR with a 9" Troy TRX rail. Care to give me a quick review on yours? I was thinking of switching over from a VFG to the AFG too, so your input would be appreciated on that as well. Thanks man.

Thanks.

It was really a "hey I'm bored" project.

I sold a sergeant at the PD my $3,000+ LMT M4 that I built about 5 years ago and used the funds to build a purpose built patrol rifle.

A lot of thought went into weight and simplicity.

The AFG is ergonomic, for me. I never liked the VFG position. When I ran a VFG on my LMT, I found myself shooting and manuevering with the magwell or hand on rail, rather than using the VFG, which for me, was an unnatural position.

I went with a pencil profile barrel for weight savings. It's cold hamer forged and should survive mild-moderate semi-auto fire without any issues.

The rail ws a decision based on weight and simplicity, in addition to fitting into the various types and styles of weapon racks in our vehicles here. My LMT would never fit in a rack and had to be stored in a case in the trunk.

The TRX is lightweight, strong, and sleek compared to the MI rail I had on my LMT. Doesn't hang up on stuff and I don't run anything unnecessary on the gun like lasers or crazy light mounts or sling points. All I needed was the top rail for the light and sight and I added the AFG rail below.

I run it out real far because it is easier to steer and reduces fatigue (for me) when presented. Much more stabile platorm as well.

Simple stock and grip that don't weigh too much.

The optic and magnifier were half off because I am a department firearms instructor and got them through the trainer program at L3.

I like the EOT reticle much more than the Aimpoint, but that is personal preference. The magnifier is a great addition. I can actually see my groups at 100 yards with it at the range. At 50 yards with this gun, I have 1.5 inch 10 shot groups standing.

That is what I desire for a working gun.

I love it.

DD makes good quality stuff.

Hack
03-30-2011, 05:11
I just have the basic M16A2 at work, with a switch block to keep the three round burst from going off, (one of the people hollering liability issue thought that one up). Straight basic rifle, complete with iron sights.

silverado_mick
03-30-2011, 05:53
Thanks.

It was really a "hey I'm bored" project.

I sold a sergeant at the PD my $3,000+ LMT M4 that I built about 5 years ago and used the funds to build a purpose built patrol rifle.

A lot of thought went into weight and simplicity.

The AFG is ergonomic, for me. I never liked the VFG position. When I ran a VFG on my LMT, I found myself shooting and manuevering with the magwell or hand on rail, rather than using the VFG, which for me, was an unnatural position.

I went with a pencil profile barrel for weight savings. It's cold hamer forged and should survive mild-moderate semi-auto fire without any issues.

The rail ws a decision based on weight and simplicity, in addition to fitting into the various types and styles of weapon racks in our vehicles here. My LMT would never fit in a rack and had to be stored in a case in the trunk.

The TRX is lightweight, strong, and sleek compared to the MI rail I had on my LMT. Doesn't hang up on stuff and I don't run anything unnecessary on the gun like lasers or crazy light mounts or sling points. All I needed was the top rail for the light and sight and I added the AFG rail below.

I run it out real far because it is easier to steer and reduces fatigue (for me) when presented. Much more stabile platorm as well.

Simple stock and grip that don't weigh too much.

The optic and magnifier were half off because I am a department firearms instructor and got them through the trainer program at L3.

I like the EOT reticle much more than the Aimpoint, but that is personal preference. The magnifier is a great addition. I can actually see my groups at 100 yards with it at the range. At 50 yards with this gun, I have 1.5 inch 10 shot groups standing.

That is what I desire for a working gun.

I love it.

DD makes good quality stuff.

Thanks for the writeup man! I've been talking with the guy who's building my new patrol rifle and I'm in the same boat you were. I want a rifle that is simple, short, and handy for patrol use, that's all.

I've pretty much settled on a Johnson Tactical (local shop) upper with 11.5" govt profile barrel, 9" TRX rail for the same reason you stated, gunfighter charging handle, and a Tactical Innovations lower with a regular 6 position stock (might go with an MOE stock) and ASAP sling plate. I have an EoTech 554 that I've run for years and I love, but eventually for weight and battery life purposes I'm probably going to throw an Aimpoint T1 on it.

I'm really excited because this is my first fully custom AR that's built to my specs, and the quality of stuff coming out of this shop is on par with Noveske or DD. I pretty much can't wait for this thing to get done so I can see how it runs!

FiremanMike
03-30-2011, 06:07
Cochese I hear what you're saying about the eotech reticle, but I'm fqscinated with the idea of an always on reticle as with the aimpoint. I keep thinking that extra step of turning on the eotech during a rapid deployment from my patrol car might be time prohibited..

Thoughts?

Mayhem like Me
03-30-2011, 07:16
Cochese I hear what you're saying about the eotech reticle, but I'm fqscinated with the idea of an always on reticle as with the aimpoint. I keep thinking that extra step of turning on the eotech during a rapid deployment from my patrol car might be time prohibited..

Thoughts?

Worst case is you forget and have to use the iron sights for a few till the fog clears..

I like the Aimpoint dot I find the Eotech to busy...YMMV

silverado_mick
03-30-2011, 08:53
I just have the basic M16A2 at work, with a switch block to keep the three round burst from going off, (one of the people hollering liability issue thought that one up). Straight basic rifle, complete with iron sights.

The M-16A2 is a fine impliment of battle. I carried one with an M203 my first three years in the Corps, and through the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Not once did I find myself with the selctor lever on burst, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

CJStudent
03-30-2011, 09:42
The M-16A2 is a fine impliment of battle. I carried one with an M203 my first three years in the Corps, and through the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Not once did I find myself with the selctor lever on burst, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

I still carry one with a 203 on it in the Guard; I like it. And rarely do we ever use burst on it.

Now at work, we use plain-jane Ruger Mini-14s.

CJStudent
03-30-2011, 09:43
Thanks.

It was really a "hey I'm bored" project.

I sold a sergeant at the PD my $3,000+ LMT M4 that I built about 5 years ago and used the funds to build a purpose built patrol rifle.

A lot of thought went into weight and simplicity.

The AFG is ergonomic, for me. I never liked the VFG position. When I ran a VFG on my LMT, I found myself shooting and manuevering with the magwell or hand on rail, rather than using the VFG, which for me, was an unnatural position.

I went with a pencil profile barrel for weight savings. It's cold hamer forged and should survive mild-moderate semi-auto fire without any issues.

The rail ws a decision based on weight and simplicity, in addition to fitting into the various types and styles of weapon racks in our vehicles here. My LMT would never fit in a rack and had to be stored in a case in the trunk.

The TRX is lightweight, strong, and sleek compared to the MI rail I had on my LMT. Doesn't hang up on stuff and I don't run anything unnecessary on the gun like lasers or crazy light mounts or sling points. All I needed was the top rail for the light and sight and I added the AFG rail below.

I run it out real far because it is easier to steer and reduces fatigue (for me) when presented. Much more stabile platorm as well.

Simple stock and grip that don't weigh too much.

The optic and magnifier were half off because I am a department firearms instructor and got them through the trainer program at L3.

I like the EOT reticle much more than the Aimpoint, but that is personal preference. The magnifier is a great addition. I can actually see my groups at 100 yards with it at the range. At 50 yards with this gun, I have 1.5 inch 10 shot groups standing.

That is what I desire for a working gun.

I love it.

DD makes good quality stuff.

I like it! If you don't mind me asking, what did that end up running you?

silverado_mick
03-30-2011, 13:47
I like it! If you don't mind me asking, what did that end up running you?

In B4 $2k-ish.

BULLRUNN
03-30-2011, 15:57
A little info for you guys here.. You guys do know about the TRAINER Program that EOTec offers for LEO TRAINERS basicaly HALF price... contact go to the web sight and click the LEO tabs and contact Mrs Snyder she will send you the forms... got my rig in the mail the other day... 600 for the EO and the MAGNIFIER..

The-Fly
03-30-2011, 17:06
Not a copper here, so this isn't a work rifle per se, but it DID inspire the Cheesy rifle. So here's my social work rifle :supergrin:

(click the picture for the full size version)

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/porn/cmmg-2.jpg

(and me with it a year ago, doing my Russian terrorist impersonation with it )

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/porn/make-my-day.jpg

Its a CMMG mid length lightweight upper, 1/7 twist, 16". Lower is a stripped RRA with a JP single stage trigger. Rails are DD 9.0 Omega's. TLR-1 for night time stuff. Optic is an Aimpoint T-1. BUIS are magpul's, which are both cheap and durable. Stock is a LMT sopmod.

I haven't weighed this sucker, but its VERY light weight, reliable, accurate, etc. I leave the red dot on 24/7. I used it for a tactical rifle side match a few months ago and destroyed everyone else. :tongueout:

If I had to do it all over again, I'd go with a BCM or DD lightweight upper (CMMG stop making them for god knows what reason), but otherwise not change a thing.

DaBigBR
03-30-2011, 21:01
A little info for you guys here.. You guys do know about the TRAINER Program that EOTec offers for LEO TRAINERS basicaly HALF price... contact go to the web sight and click the LEO tabs and contact Mrs Snyder she will send you the forms... got my rig in the mail the other day... 600 for the EO and the MAGNIFIER..

Is that off the 2011 program? I bought one on last year's program and prices increased dramatically after July. I think that the optic I bought (EXPS 3-0) went from $369 to $428. Still a good deal, but a 15% increase is a 15% increase.

Might have to place my order for this year if the prices are better.

EDIT...

Found a current copy. My optic actually went from $328 to $469, so it was a 42% increase. Same price for 2011 and they are listing two kits with magnifiers at $749 and $799.

ar-steve
03-31-2011, 00:09
My better half shooting my duty rifle.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af227/5robert25/shooting023.jpg

jenrick
03-31-2011, 02:17
If you work eights, just turn your EOTech on with the "up" arrow, that'll give you 8 hours. Longer shifts, just hit the up arrow once a shift about six hours in, that'll give you another 8 hours.

-Jenrick

Cochese I hear what you're saying about the eotech reticle, but I'm fqscinated with the idea of an always on reticle as with the aimpoint. I keep thinking that extra step of turning on the eotech during a rapid deployment from my patrol car might be time prohibited..

Thoughts?

FiremanMike
03-31-2011, 06:44
If you work eights, just turn your EOTech on with the "up" arrow, that'll give you 8 hours. Longer shifts, just hit the up arrow once a shift about six hours in, that'll give you another 8 hours.

-Jenrick

An excellent idea, I will do that thanks!

Mayhem like Me
03-31-2011, 07:24
My better half shooting my duty rifle.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af227/5robert25/shooting023.jpg

Good technique she's either a good student or you are a ,,,,nevermind she's a good student...:supergrin:

sapper1911
03-31-2011, 10:56
We ain't allowed personal rifles (yet we can carry personal 1911s instead of issued G22). But we have either Colt LE carbines or neutered M16A1s if we want to grab one. I actually like the A1s (there tackdrivers and I have no use for full auto) except for the triangle handgaurds, the forward assist sticking out, and somehow its not in the budget for a simple $8 sling. So I typically just grab a Colt le.

Quick question, for those of you that use a company rifle without light and have to turn in said rifle after each shift, what is the best way to temporary mount a light to a rifle? I've tried the Safariland screw on rail and didn't like it, I've since went to using two velcro straps from Menards to put a surefire g2 on the forearm.

DaBigBR
03-31-2011, 12:14
We ain't allowed personal rifles (yet we can carry personal 1911s instead of issued G22). But we have either Colt LE carbines or neutered M16A1s if we want to grab one. I actually like the A1s (there tackdrivers and I have no use for full auto) except for the triangle handgaurds, the forward assist sticking out, and somehow its not in the budget for a simple $8 sling. So I typically just grab a Colt le.

Quick question, for those of you that use a company rifle without light and have to turn in said rifle after each shift, what is the best way to temporary mount a light to a rifle? I've tried the Safariland screw on rail and didn't like it, I've since went to using two velcro straps from Menards to put a surefire g2 on the forearm.

You might look at the Elzetta ZFH-1500 with the optional thumbscrew mount...

http://www.elzetta.com/zfh1500FAQ.htm

Would accept most standard compact flashlights.

If you don't mind using a small allen wrench everyday, the Midwest Industries FSB mount is compact and allows attachment of a standard pistol-type weapon light.

sapper1911
03-31-2011, 13:09
You might look at the Elzetta ZFH-1500 with the optional thumbscrew mount...

http://www.elzetta.com/zfh1500FAQ.htm

Would accept most standard compact flashlights.

If you don't mind using a small allen wrench everyday, the Midwest Industries FSB mount is compact and allows attachment of a standard pistol-type weapon light.


Thanks, I'm gonna check them out.

Straight Pipe
03-31-2011, 19:02
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5639/duty.jpg

Only ONE set of handcuffs? What do you do if you have more than one prisoner, shoot 'em? :rofl:

Dragoon44
03-31-2011, 19:38
Please, please, no one post pics of you drunk with half naked hooters chicks holding your rifles and sitting on the hood of your cruiser!

:cool::wavey:

silverado_mick
04-27-2012, 10:28
It's finally done, properly registered and put together. Just took it out on it's maiden voyage to the qualification course yesterday. Shoot like a dream, and is by far the most accurate AR platform I've ever shot. I am extremely pleased, despite the year plus wait...

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww155/spd1719/rifle1.jpg

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww155/spd1719/rifle2.jpg

Cochese
04-27-2012, 12:17
All it needs is a TLR or X series at 12. :supergrin:

silverado_mick
04-27-2012, 16:06
All it needs is a TLR or X series at 12. :supergrin:

Sure. You got any spare x200's laying around that I can have there Cheesy? :D I'd also trade you the Eotech 554 that's on there for an Aimpoint T-1 if you've got one laying around that you aren't using...

Those are actually the only two improvements I plan to eventually make when the money makes itself available to do so, but for now the Fenix TK10 and 554 will work.

Hunca Munca
04-27-2012, 18:03
It's finally done, properly registered and put together. Just took it out on it's maiden voyage to the qualification course yesterday. Shoot like a dream, and is by far the most accurate AR platform I've ever shot. I am extremely pleased, despite the year plus wait...

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww155/spd1719/rifle1.jpg

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww155/spd1719/rifle2.jpg

OOh!

The barrel shroud has some type of evil german look to it! :cool:

Is it registered through the dept or did you do the $200 stamp route???

series1811
04-27-2012, 18:43
Yep back when it was new it was the finest rifle of it's kind.

:supergrin:

I see you customized it with the super ninja powder horn with tactical string sling. :supergrin:

CJStudent
04-27-2012, 19:20
My work rifle with my new agency:

http://www.autoweapons.com/photos05/mar/933m16e.jpg

series1811
04-27-2012, 19:49
My work rifle with my new agency:

http://www.autoweapons.com/photos05/mar/933m16e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Group9/303890_222342457826588_100001525077953_627661_1246434372_n.jpg

I bet I know where you guys got those from. :supergrin:

That's me on the left with mine in 2003, I think. There is another one on the right (and a CAR-15 in the middle).

I hated giving that gun up for the .223's they gave out to replace it. They are great guns.

silverado_mick
04-27-2012, 19:51
OOh!

The barrel shroud has some type of evil german look to it! :cool:

Is it registered through the dept or did you do the $200 stamp route???

I'm also missing a "shoulder thing that goes up" :tongueout:

It's all mine, engraved with my name and town of residence, registered to me through the BATFE. I don't like the Dept owning things that I may want to use elsewhere.

FM12
04-28-2012, 22:53
Generic Colt here, iron sights and all.

Cochese
04-29-2012, 03:14
Sure. You got any spare x200's laying around that I can have there Cheesy? :D I'd also trade you the Eotech 554 that's on there for an Aimpoint T-1 if you've got one laying around that you aren't using...

Those are actually the only two improvements I plan to eventually make when the money makes itself available to do so, but for now the Fenix TK10 and 554 will work.

I dont like Aimpoints. :supergrin:

Sent from my Motorola StarTac

txleapd
04-29-2012, 14:05
I don't like Aimpoints. :supergrin:


I'm not a really a big Aimpoint fan. I much prefer the Eotech. It's not just the reticle, but I feel like it gives me a wider field of vision.

I was talking with a guy at work one day, and he made a comment about using an Eotech on my work gun. He regurgitated the common Aimpoint mantra, and kind of inferred I was being cheap due to my choice of optic.

I took it as an opportunity to mentor, so the next day I came in with my three other sights (CompM2, ACOG, and Reflex II). I explained to him my pros and cons, and reasoning for choosing the EOtech. I asked him why he preferred his CompM2 over the other sights. I got a blank stare, and then a stumbled response about internet and magazine reviews. Apparently, reading the opinions of internet commandos and magazine writers is now sufficient to make an informed decision...

That's one of the problems today. There are so many 'experts' who have no actual experience.



On a side note, I got rid of my Reflex II a little while ago. It was a 1X24... I would really like to pick up a 1X42, but they don't have one with a triangle reticle.

CJStudent
04-29-2012, 20:26
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Group9/303890_222342457826588_100001525077953_627661_1246434372_n.jpg

I bet I know where you guys got those from. :supergrin:

That's me on the left with mine in 2003, I think. There is another one on the right (and a CAR-15 in the middle).

I hated giving that gun up for the .223's they gave out to replace it. They are great guns.

Yeah, I love it. I'm thinking of getting a personal one, actually, though it's hard to find an SBR-length barrel, which is what I want to do with it.

DaBigBR
04-29-2012, 20:54
Yeah, I love it. I'm thinking of getting a personal one, actually, though it's hard to find an SBR-length barrel, which is what I want to do with it.

Just have somebody like ADCO shorten it for you...problem solved.

CJStudent
04-29-2012, 21:08
Just have somebody like ADCO shorten it for you...problem solved.

Hmmm........now you're giving me ideas!

series1811
04-30-2012, 04:06
Yeah, I love it. I'm thinking of getting a personal one, actually, though it's hard to find an SBR-length barrel, which is what I want to do with it.

I had a Colt 9mm AR-15 with a 16 inch barrel, that was essential identical to it except for the barrel and the guts inside the receiver (apparently the select fire ones are designed with a different insides to keep people from switching the semi autos to select fire (I used to have a picture, looking into the two receivers that showed it).

I had thought about registering it as a SBR and having it cut down. ( It is amazing how much easier the 10.5 inch barrel is to handle than the 14 or 16 inch ones, when you are trying to get in and out of cars, clear rooms, or slinging the thing out of the way when you go hands on or do something else.)

I don't have it any more. I was trying to talk my brother-in-law out of selling me his boat and asked what I had to do to make it happen, and he said, "Sell me you 9mm Colt AR." Mine was barely pre-ban and this was back in the gun ban days, when they were really hard to get, and I got offered $2000 for that AR one time.

I regret I sold it.

But, I wanted that boat so he's got it now. :supergrin:

CJStudent
04-30-2012, 06:04
I had a Colt 9mm AR-15 with a 16 inch barrel, that was essential identical to it except for the barrel and the guts inside the receiver (apparently the select fire ones are designed with a different insides to keep people from switching the semi autos to select fire (I used to have a picture, looking into the two receivers that showed it).

I had thought about registering it as a SBR and having it cut down. ( It is amazing how much easier the 10.5 inch barrel is to handle than the 14 or 16 inch ones, when you are trying to get in and out of cars, clear rooms, or slinging the thing out of the way when you go hands on or do something else.)

I don't have it any more. I was trying to talk my brother-in-law out of selling me his boat and asked what I had to do to make it happen, and he said, "Sell me you 9mm Colt AR." Mine was barely pre-ban and this was back in the gun ban days, when they were really hard to get, and I got offered $2000 for that AR one time.

I regret I sold it.

But, I wanted that boat so he's got it now. :supergrin:

Lol, I understand that. I'm thinking that, after AT with my guard unit, or maybe later on if I can work some serious OT, I may get one of the Colt 6450s and SBR it. The only thing I don't like is how, when you try to unload a magazine, sometimes it'll basically "explode" out, and eject 5-10 rounds at a time on you, so they go everywhere.

GumbyDammit
04-30-2012, 08:36
Our reserves & part-timers and a couple full time guys get to use some old school M16A1's that have A2 round handguards and have supposedly been updated with A2 rear sight aperatures (I haven't seen an A1 aperature for 20 years so can't confirm that).

Pretty much everyone else is carrying 416's in various configs. Very sweet guns.

My personal rifle is a Rock River sporting a 14.5 inch CMMG M4 SOCOM barrel w/ perm Phantom FH. I used to have a VLTOR rail and a bunch of crap hanging off of it. It was just too freakin heavy (especially with that barrell) and awkward. I went KISS and now it sports a crabine handguard, standard collapsible stock, EoTech and a Surefire G2 light in an Elzetta mount. That one with my M&P15 below...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/GumbyDammit/IMG_1278.jpg

Glockdude1
04-30-2012, 09:02
I just have the basic M16A2 at work, with a switch block to keep the three round burst from going off, (one of the people hollering liability issue thought that one up). Straight basic rifle, complete with iron sights.

Ours are the Vietnam vintage A1's with full auto. For ART we got to shoot the 9mm SMG's for BPT. The selectors were NOT blocked.

Mine some how kept going to burst....... :whistling:

:supergrin:

CJStudent
04-30-2012, 10:44
Ours are the Vietnam vintage A1's with full auto. For ART we got to shoot the 9mm SMG's for BPT. The selectors were NOT blocked.

Mine some how kept going to burst....... :whistling:

:supergrin:

We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though :crying:

lpo
04-30-2012, 10:52
We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though :crying:

Is there a valid reason to buy a full-auto/burst rifle and then block it? Seems like they could just get a semi- auto and save some money.

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CJStudent
04-30-2012, 11:14
Is there a valid reason to buy a full-auto/burst rifle and then block it? Seems like they could just get a semi- auto and save some money.

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Our M16A1s are military surplus weapons that were transferred to the DOJ, so pretty much free to us. I don't know how the SMGs came about, but I'm pretty sure another agency had them, then we had them transferred to us.

series1811
04-30-2012, 11:25
We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though :crying:

We had those for a while. We were allowed by regulation to break them off (and you can do it easy with the sling) if we thought we needed full auto fire in a deadly force situation.

But, we all just left them in the carry bags instead of putting them on the guns. The FTU guys and the inspectors finally figured out no one was going to put them on in the field and got rid of them (our theory before that was you only have few seconds to decide if you need full auto, but you get several weeks notice when the inspectors are coming). :supergrin:

And, they made us qualify with full auto every time anyway.

series1811
04-30-2012, 11:28
Lol, I understand that. I'm thinking that, after AT with my guard unit, or maybe later on if I can work some serious OT, I may get one of the Colt 6450s and SBR it. The only thing I don't like is how, when you try to unload a magazine, sometimes it'll basically "explode" out, and eject 5-10 rounds at a time on you, so they go everywhere.

Yeah, I remember the "golden shower" when it would puke all the rounds out of the mag. They are good guns though. If you ever have one jam (and it's usually a double feed) it's always the mag being worn out. If I ever had a jam, I scratched an X on the mag. If it jammed again, and it was the same mag (and it always was) I trashed it.

Also, if oil is not dripping out of the action, it needs more oil. :supergrin:

cowboywannabe
04-30-2012, 11:30
here is ours....











































































oh, thats right. we dont have any because we're still begging for tasers.

lpo
04-30-2012, 11:30
Our M16A1s are military surplus weapons that were transferred to the DOJ, so pretty much free to us. I don't know how the SMGs came about, but I'm pretty sure another agency had them, then we had them transferred to us.

Ah. That makes sense if they were free. Thanks for the clarification.

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CJStudent
04-30-2012, 11:35
We had those for a while. We were allowed by regulation to break them off (and you can do it easy with the sling) if we thought we needed full auto fire in a deadly force situation.

But, we all just left them in the carry bags instead of putting them on the guns. The FTU guys and the inspectors finally figured out no one was going to put them on in the field and got rid of them (our theory before that was you only have few seconds to decide if you need full auto, but you get several weeks notice when the inspectors are coming). :supergrin:

And, they made us qualify with full auto every time anyway.

I wish we could qual with full auto! I may just have to look at changing agencies now, lol.

Yeah, I remember the "golden shower" when it would puke all the rounds out of the mag. They are good guns though. If you ever have one jam (and it's usually a double feed) it's always the mag being worn out. If I ever had a jam, I scratched an X on the mag. If it jammed again, and it was the same mag (and it always was) I trashed it.

Also, if oil is not dripping out of the action, it needs more oil. :supergrin:

Yeah, that's how most AR-pattern weapons are as far as oil.

We're supposed to count all of our rounds in the trucks when we start the shift, and account for every round. Well, I figured out really quickly how to use to count holes after I had the mag **** them out all over the truck, and I was digging under the seats for rounds for 10-15 minutes my first shift in the trucks.

Ah. That makes sense if they were free. Thanks for the clarification.

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No problem! :wavey:

verdugo60
04-30-2012, 11:48
There was a cool thread somebody had months ago on some forum about Philipono police or troops had Vietnam-era hand-me-down M14's. Those were the in 7.62 (308) and would become anti-aircraft guns from what I understood after about 3 rounds on full auto. I would love to try one of those with a PWS muzzle brake now a days and see how controllable they would be. I think lots of US PD's got them too in the70's and 80's when the M16 completely replaced them as the US battle rifle.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as15/m14_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://world.guns.ru/assault/usa/m14-e.html&h=142&w=650&sz=11&tbnid=eo2EZSVVP1Tl6M:&tbnh=26&tbnw=120&zoom=1&docid=lUTAbOvme5TEWM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KNCeT-OkBaTC2wWryeiYDw&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAw&dur=100

series1811
04-30-2012, 11:50
I wish we could qual with full auto! I may just have to look at changing agencies now, lol.



They replaced them with semi-auto .223's and even took up all the select fire .223's that were out (they still use them overseas). So they finally outsmarted us on that one. :supergrin:

But, really, the fun thing was just being able to go out and shoot full auto on weekends and stuff. Shooting beer cans, snakes, etc. :supergrin:

I do miss that (and the unlimited free ammo, my new agency is a little stingier). :supergrin:

CJStudent
04-30-2012, 13:50
They replaced them with semi-auto .223's and even took up all the select fire .223's that were out (they still use them overseas). So they finally outsmarted us on that one. :supergrin:

But, really, the fun thing was just being able to go out and shoot full auto on weekends and stuff. Shooting beer cans, snakes, etc. :supergrin:

I do miss that (and the unlimited free ammo, my new agency is a little stingier). :supergrin:

Well that's no fun! Spoilsports.........

In all seriousness, at least you get practice ammo! If it's not a class or annual qual, we don't get to shoot.

scottydl
04-30-2012, 23:20
While we're on the topic, anyone have a good resource for effective cleaning/lubing a rifle after being out on the range? If you have military experience, then this is a no-brainer because you spent countless hours on rifle maintenance. But for someone without that background, cleaning and oiling a rifle is a lot more complex than your average pistol. I'd like to know how everyone else does it.

GumbyDammit
04-30-2012, 23:24
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z222/Dragoon44_bucket/blckpwdr-1.jpg

:tongueout:

C'mon Dragoon, isn't it more like this? You old guys, always exaggerating, trying to fit in with the young hip crowd!

http://associations.missouristate.edu/mas/macquest/Desk/useatlatl.jpg

golls17
04-30-2012, 23:33
In it's day that was quite the assult rifle....

Back when fully automatic meant muscle memory and semi-auto meant they caught you on an off-day...

Bullman
05-01-2012, 05:36
C'mon Dragoon, isn't it more like this? You old guys, always exaggerating, trying to fit in with the young hip crowd!

http://associations.missouristate.edu/mas/macquest/Desk/useatlatl.jpg

I saw them use one of those on top shot here about a month ago, might have been a re run.

LAWDOGKMS
05-01-2012, 07:39
Can't figure out how to post pics from my ipad..duh

Got it figured out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/d903c4a2.jpg

SCSU74
05-01-2012, 09:14
If you work eights, just turn your EOTech on with the "up" arrow, that'll give you 8 hours. Longer shifts, just hit the up arrow once a shift about six hours in, that'll give you another 8 hours.

-Jenrick

Or get an aimpoint and always leave it on :)


Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong

SCSU74
05-01-2012, 09:21
I'm not a really a big Aimpoint fan. I much prefer the Eotech. It's not just the reticle, but I feel like it gives me a wider field of vision.

I was talking with a guy at work one day, and he made a comment about using an Eotech on my work gun. He regurgitated the common Aimpoint mantra, and kind of inferred I was being cheap due to my choice of optic.

I took it as an opportunity to mentor, so the next day I came in with my three other sights (CompM2, ACOG, and Reflex II). I explained to him my pros and cons, and reasoning for choosing the EOtech. I asked him why he preferred his CompM2 over the other sights. I got a blank stare, and then a stumbled response about internet and magazine reviews. Apparently, reading the opinions of internet commandos and magazine writers is now sufficient to make an informed decision...

That's one of the problems today. There are so many 'experts' who have no actual experience.



On a side note, I got rid of my Reflex II a little while ago. It was a 1X24... I would really like to pick up a 1X42, but they don't have one with a triangle reticle.

When choosing myself I asked the guys that are the full time range staff. Pretty much every one recommended aimpoint over eotech. They get a lot of eotechs in that are damaged or have stopped working. That and the fact most run on AA's, needing to be physically turned on for deployments, and being more expensive than the pro I got the choice was pretty simple.


Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong

Napalm561
05-01-2012, 17:13
Rock River Arms Elite Operator 2
Chrome bolt carrier group
16" chrome molly 1:9 twist barrel
RRA tactical muzzle brake
flip front sight / gas block assembly
Ergo Sure-grip
Savvy Sniper single point sling
FVG
Sure-Fire 6P light
MI rear folding sight
Trijicon ACOG x3 .223F chevron optics on a
Larue Tactical mount
and several PMAGs loaded with 55gr HP or TAP per department policy.
This is my first rifle, and I love it, but I am already planning a second rifle....built from scratch.

SAR
05-01-2012, 20:25
We're issued M-16A1s, but we can purchase our own rifle if we wish. I bought a Colt 6920, and turned in the M-16. The old school rifle was pretty cool though.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/bobmwr/FIREARMS/65a0013c.jpg

collim1
05-01-2012, 20:31
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02489.jpg

This is the best I got. Policy dictates the mag tube loaded with 00buck and slugs are "optional" on the saddle.

Patrol cannot carry rifles at my agency. I keep three slugs on my saddle, its the best I got.

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 01:04
Circa 2008. Other person no longer in AO.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/clint13bravo/001-2.jpg
Circa now.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/clint13bravo/001-11.jpg

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 01:18
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck....

Cochese
05-02-2012, 01:31
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck....

:dunno:

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 01:34
:dunno:
Locals think it's a duck quacking.:noevil:
CONUS use 5.56 for the same effect.

Cochese
05-02-2012, 02:12
I'm not a really a big Aimpoint fan. I much prefer the Eotech. It's not just the reticle, but I feel like it gives me a wider field of vision.

I was talking with a guy at work one day, and he made a comment about using an Eotech on my work gun. He regurgitated the common Aimpoint mantra, and kind of inferred I was being cheap due to my choice of optic.

I took it as an opportunity to mentor, so the next day I came in with my three other sights (CompM2, ACOG, and Reflex II). I explained to him my pros and cons, and reasoning for choosing the EOtech. I asked him why he preferred his CompM2 over the other sights. I got a blank stare, and then a stumbled response about internet and magazine reviews. Apparently, reading the opinions of internet commandos and magazine writers is now sufficient to make an informed decision...

That's one of the problems today. There are so many 'experts' who have no actual experience.



On a side note, I got rid of my Reflex II a little while ago. It was a 1X24... I would really like to pick up a 1X42, but they don't have one with a triangle reticle.

And that's how you handle that. :rofl:

I made my decision based on trying all this **** out on other peoples guns.

Well, that and not wanting to pay for an ACOG. Then, deciding I didn't need one.

I really only run the EOTech because I'm used to it now. And I have to shoot with a gas mask on and its easier.

NEOH212
05-02-2012, 03:16
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z222/Dragoon44_bucket/blckpwdr-1.jpg


:tongueout:

WOW! So they did issue you enhanced model after all!

:tongueout:

I couldn't resist! :rofl:

Cochese
05-02-2012, 03:18
Locals think it's a duck quacking.:noevil:
CONUS use 5.56 for the same effect.

I'm still lost.

Probably because it is 3:17 A.M.

:yawn:

NEOH212
05-02-2012, 03:18
My better half shooting my duty rifle.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af227/5robert25/shooting023.jpg

WOW! Your wife and I look a lot alike! If I didn't know any better, I would have said I have a twin sister! We even dress alike!

That's neat!

:wavey:

series1811
05-02-2012, 04:18
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Group9/november20040070yn.jpg


Here is a picture of my last one with my daughter several years ago. And, yes, I know her little booger hook looks like it's on the trigger. I have trained that out of her at this point, although she is a teenager now and I wouldn't want to give her a gun some days. :supergrin:

Her school she goes to is so high, tuition wise, I keep thinking about giving her a copy of this picture to take in with her and get kicked out to a cheaper one. :supergrin:

SGT_Calle
05-02-2012, 05:47
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Group9/november20040070yn.jpg


Here is a picture of my last one with my daughter several years ago. And, yes, I know her little booger hook looks like it's on the trigger. I have trained that out of her at this point, although she is a teenager now and I wouldn't want to give her a gun some days. :supergrin:

Her school she goes to is so high, tuition wise, I keep thinking about giving her a copy of this picture to take in with her and get kicked out to a cheaper one. :supergrin:

HA!
Too cute.

Bullman
05-02-2012, 12:08
Here is mine, just the basic rifle more or less. I have not be able to afford any gadgetry to go on it, but would like to get one of the new insight weaponlights that runs on AA batteries. For my next rifle project I would like to build a flat top, maybe a piston upper. About the only sighting mod I am considering right now is a fiber optic front post to aid my old eyes.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/dabullmanp9/104_0599.jpg

Rex G
05-02-2012, 13:30
"....we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs."

Huh? :faint:

Don't be surprised! Until quite recently, we at my PD were not allowed to use optics or weapon-mounted lights, even though we buy our own firearms. Carbines, overall, were prohibited from 1983 to 2002, and the rumor was that it the feds spanking our command staff for us having NO rifles on the streets, in the aftermath of 09-11-2001, that prompted patrol rifles to finally be authorized again. We are a VERY large agency, in terms of both thousands of personnel, and hundreds of square miles of jurisdiction, with plenty of critical infrastructure. As of 09-11-2011, the only long guns on the street were our shotguns, with buckshot only.

I carried a Colt AR15A2 Govt Carbine, with the thin pencil barrel, from 2002 to 2005-ish. When I could not see the iron sight worth crap anymore, thanks to age-related vision changes, I sold it to a younger colleague. I don't think I ever took any photos of it. I could have started using both an optic (Aimpoint or Eotech) and a weapon-mounted light, finally, last year. I will have to repeat the patrol carbine cert course, however, to start carrying a rifle on the street again. I am on a waiting list for that.

My present patrol long gun is a good ol' parkerized Remington 870P, with a Vang-Comp barrel for tighter buckshot patterns. I can now carry slugs, in addition to 00 or 4 buck. The front bead is far enough out there I can still see it more-or-less OK.

Rex G
05-02-2012, 13:42
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02489.jpg

This is the best I got. Policy dictates the mag tube loaded with 00buck and slugs are "optional" on the saddle.

Patrol cannot carry rifles at my agency. I keep three slugs on my saddle, its the best I got.

Don't feel bad; a well-trained shotgunner can still dominate most situations quite well, especially with the slug option. On September 12, 2001, I was posted outside the local Israeli consulate, due to the obvious concerns, without the option to use slugs. My 4" .357 GP100 "back-up" gun was going to have to serve as my longer-range weapon; the magnum revolver having a bit flatter trajectory than the .45 ACP in my then-duty 1911.

Due to a policy change, I once again have the slug option, as the "select-slug" cert course I attended in the 1990's was deemed to have been good enough so I am "grandfathered" to again use slugs.

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 14:27
I'm still lost.

Probably because it is 3:17 A.M.

:yawn:
Me to. Some people use the platform of the opposing force. Makes it harder to tell who is shooting at you.

Cochese
05-02-2012, 14:30
Me to. Some people use the platform of the opposing force. Makes it harder to tell who is shooting at you.

Makes more sense at 2:30 P.M.

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 19:38
I didn't realize this was the Cop shop, no disrespect intended. I will work on my investigative skills. In 2008, I was attached to MPs.

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 19:39
Makes more sense at 2:30 P.M.
Ditto. :embarassed:

Hack
05-02-2012, 21:40
For close in crowd situations I actually like shotgun better OO. Although, I usually don't have to worry about being involved in that kind of thing, for the most part. Most of the inmates we have are whiners. And, we don't have the protests like we used to. But, yeah shot guns are the best thing as far as I am concerned. I can shoot with a rifle just fine, but I like those mainly for longer distance situations. I just wish they would allow something like EOTECH for our rifles.

collim1
05-02-2012, 22:20
Don't feel bad; a well-trained shotgunner can still dominate most situations quite well, especially with the slug option. On September 12, 2001, I was posted outside the local Israeli consulate, due to the obvious concerns, without the option to use slugs. My 4" .357 GP100 "back-up" gun was going to have to serve as my longer-range weapon; the magnum revolver having a bit flatter trajectory than the .45 ACP in my then-duty 1911.

Due to a policy change, I once again have the slug option, as the "select-slug" cert course I attended in the 1990's was deemed to have been good enough so I am "grandfathered" to again use slugs.

I am a shotgun guy and think they are still a good option for most patrol work, however I think the .223 can do more.

Capacity, speed of reload, and range of use from 0-100yds+ which the 12g just cant do.

I carry a 870P with Surefire fore end. Rifles are not allowed for patrol at my agency.

series1811
05-03-2012, 06:35
For all the fancy ARs I've owned and been issued, I actually like a shotgun better, too.

Up to fifty or so yards, anyway. :supergrin:

CJStudent
05-03-2012, 08:23
For all the fancy ARs I've owned and been issued, I actually like a shotgun better, too.

Up to fifty or so yards, anyway. :supergrin:

I'm with you on that, too. We qual'd on them at 40 yards with my last agency, and that was with light birdshot loads. As long as it's not a "precision shot" situation, I have no problems with a shotgun. Especially since we use #4 buck, lol.

DaBigBR
05-03-2012, 11:41
Federal's Flite Control buckshot patterns on a Q target out of every shotgun I've shot it through out to about thirty yards. After that, you start losing a pellet or two. The stuff we used before (Winchester Ranger) was only good to 15-20 yards.

GumbyDammit
05-03-2012, 12:13
I'm with you on that, too. We qual'd on them at 40 yards with my last agency, and that was with light birdshot loads. As long as it's not a "precision shot" situation, I have no problems with a shotgun. Especially since we use #4 buck, lol.

I miss those quals too. We got rid of shotguns from all but supervisors (they have SG's & 416's)a few years ago. We used to do all our quals with 00 buck and slugs. At the end of 2 hrs & 200 rounds my shoulders both looked like I had been mule kicked. But it was fun :supergrin:

Bullman
05-03-2012, 13:02
If I had to choose any long gun out of the safe to defend things close it would be my Vang Comp Mossberg 500, I love that shotgun. Shotguns definetly catch my fancy. What I really want is one of those Keltec bullpups, I hope they are not a giant piece of crap, but you can't bet on it coming from Keltec.

GumbyDammit
05-03-2012, 22:03
I love my 870. No fancy optic, no high speed stock, no gadgets, gizmos or BS hanging off it. Just a reliable lead throwing machine.

Mine goes in my Jeep when we camp or go wheeling. I can load it with buck, slugs or birdshot and it always works. Nothing wrong with that!!

series1811
05-05-2012, 06:14
I love my 870. No fancy optic, no high speed stock, no gadgets, gizmos or BS hanging off it. Just a reliable lead throwing machine.

Mine goes in my Jeep when we camp or go wheeling. I can load it with buck, slugs or birdshot and it always works. Nothing wrong with that!!

I have a Winchester 1300 with an extended tube, 18.5 barrel that is weekend throw around gun. It is already scratched up so it doesn't hurt when it gets another one. :supergrin:

DoogieHowser
05-05-2012, 06:32
Federal's Flite Control buckshot patterns on a Q target out of every shotgun I've shot it through out to about thirty yards. After that, you start losing a pellet or two. The stuff we used before (Winchester Ranger) was only good to 15-20 yards.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/rio/250rd-12-gauge-rio-low-recoil-00-buck-shot-9-pellet

This RIO stuff actually patterned out to 35 on a Q from my 870 20" low cost and I've run about 250rnds of it without any issues.

pgg00
06-06-2012, 17:38
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/yigottabcleatus/3482b6a8.jpg

CLoft239
06-06-2012, 17:44
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6f9c3ad-eb57-48d1.jpg

Sent from my Droid Razr using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2

knoxvegasdaddy
06-06-2012, 22:31
"....we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs."

Huh? :faint:


This


What asshat came up with that???

Sounds like a great idea: Let's have officers use rifles with iron sights in the dark!!!!

series1811
06-07-2012, 05:08
Originally Posted by txleapd
"....we are not allowed to add optics or lights to our issued ARs."

Huh?


This


What asshat came up with that???

Sounds like a great idea: Let's have officers use rifles with iron sights in the dark!!!!

Yeah, that's pretty backwards. Even back in 1991, my issued AR had a light mounted on it. It was called a Sage Light, and was a rechargable flashlight about the size of a three cell Mag Lite that slid into a metal tube that attached to the bayonet lug. It even had a on/off switch you could velcro where ever you wanted it.

It looked like a M203 Grenade launcher it was so big (and lot of crooks, for some reason, thought that was what it was :dunno:) (and added about three pounds to the gun). But, it was a bright mother!

And, we had Aimpoints back then, too, but you had to sweet talk the FTU guys into letting you have one because they cost so much back then, they liked having them on the shelves better.

I wish I had a picture of my old AR with the Sage Light on it, but I lost them all in Katrina. A bit of history gone.