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voyager4520
03-30-2011, 23:58
Ok I know pretty much nothing about 1911s. I have a few random questions.

1. Is a model 1991(1991 not 1911) a series 80 and is a series 80 a 1991? Or are the two separate from each other?
2. I've heard model 1991's are picky about magazines, is that true?
3. Are Springfield Armory pistols, particularly the "GI", "Mil-Spec", and "Loaded" models series 70 or series 80? Are they technically 1911's or 1991's?
4. Are the Colt XSE pistols 1911's or 1991's? Are they series 70 or 80?

LRB2GZ
03-31-2011, 02:05
Ok I know pretty much nothing about 1911s. I have a few random questions.

1. Is a model 1991(1991 not 1911) a series 80 and is a series 80 a 1991? Or are the two separate from each other?
2. I've heard model 1991's are picky about magazines, is that true?
3. Are Springfield Armory pistols, particularly the "GI", "Mil-Spec", and "Loaded" models series 70 or series 80? Are they technically 1911's or 1991's?
4. Are the Colt XSE pistols 1911's or 1991's? Are they series 70 or 80?

I'm not a Colt guy but I'll try to help and someone else can come in and fill in the holes.



1. A 1991 is a series 80 but a series 80 isn't necessarily a 1991.

2. No clue but mag quality might be more of an issue than the gun being picky.

3. They are "series 70" in the sense that they don't have firing pin safeties. A lot of people would probably have a problem with calling a Springfield a series 70 though. Springfield uses a lightweight titanium firing pin in place of a firing pin safety.

4. I'm not 100% but I think the XSE is a different gun than the 1991, but they are Series 80 guns as far as I know.

Spats McGee
03-31-2011, 06:55
I don't have the answers to your questions, but I will say this: there's a reference thread stickied at the top of this forum. It's a very informative read.

HexHead
03-31-2011, 07:07
I'm not a Colt guy but I'll try to help and someone else can come in and fill in the holes.



1. A 1991 is a series 80 but a series 80 isn't necessarily a 1991.

2. No clue but mag quality might be more of an issue than the gun being picky.

3. They are "series 70" in the sense that they don't have firing pin safeties. A lot of people would probably have a problem with calling a Springfield a series 70 though. Springfield uses a lightweight titanium firing pin in place of a firing pin safety.

4. I'm not 100% but I think the XSE is a different gun than the 1991, but they are Series 80 guns as far as I know.

You are correct on all counts.

BuckyP
03-31-2011, 07:17
The 1991A1 is just a name given to a specific Colt model of 1911, whereas the 1911 is now considered a specific type of gun made by various manufacturers. The 1991A1 was a budget model 1911 and was series 80 based on the firing pin stop. I have one that I won at a USPSA match. I never had any issues with it, even when it was stock, and I had a few no name 1911 magazines as well. However, the customization bug bit me and I had EGW do a complete rework of the gun. It's one of, if not the favorite in my collection.

She's seen a low of rounds over the years but still runs top notch.
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/colt.jpg

Nickpisp
03-31-2011, 07:19
I'm not a Colt guy but I'll try to help and someone else can come in and fill in the holes.



1. A 1991 is a series 80 but a series 80 isn't necessarily a 1991.

2. No clue but mag quality might be more of an issue than the gun being picky.

3. They are "series 70" in the sense that they don't have firing pin safeties. A lot of people would probably have a problem with calling a Springfield a series 70 though. Springfield uses a lightweight titanium firing pin in place of a firing pin safety.

4. I'm not 100% but I think the XSE is a different gun than the 1991, but they are Series 80 guns as far as I know.



Correct.

bac1023
03-31-2011, 07:33
Ok I know pretty much nothing about 1911s. I have a few random questions.

1. Is a model 1991(1991 not 1911) a series 80 and is a series 80 a 1991? Or are the two separate from each other?
2. I've heard model 1991's are picky about magazines, is that true?
3. Are Springfield Armory pistols, particularly the "GI", "Mil-Spec", and "Loaded" models series 70 or series 80? Are they technically 1911's or 1991's?
4. Are the Colt XSE pistols 1911's or 1991's? Are they series 70 or 80?

It looks like people already answered.

I'm not sure about question 2, as I never owned one. However, all 1991s are series 80, but not vice-versa. XSE are series 80. Springfields have no firing pin safeties.

MajorD
03-31-2011, 09:11
to expand on the correct answers above:
series 70 does not have a firing pin safety linked to action of the trigger
series 80 has a firing pin safety disengaged at the end of trigger travel by a plunger and bar arrangement.-some will say it adversely affects trigger pull but it doesn't bother me in the least.
the 1991 series was an attempt by Colt to market an inexpensive budget 1911 style pistol I have had several never had any issues with them and no they were not fussy on what mags work in them
honestly I am bit of dinosaur so don't know about the newer model colts but think the most recent "modern" 1911's by colt do have the series 80 system in them.
Just so you are aware Springfields are essentially a foreign made gun- low end models in Brazil with the high end guns assembled here of Brazilian parts. They do not have a series 80 system.
For me I won't have a foreign made 1911.

Spats McGee
03-31-2011, 13:48
. . . .I'm not sure about question 2, as I never owned one. . . . .
Quoted for posterity's sake. :whistling:

20South
03-31-2011, 14:06
Quoted for posterity's sake. :whistling:

and posted for Bac...

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Nickpisp
03-31-2011, 14:38
and posted for Bac...

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voyager4520
03-31-2011, 14:55
Thank you very much guys! I was originally considering an SA Stainless Mil-Spec or Loaded, but the Colt XSE Stainless is really catching my eye.

knedrgr
03-31-2011, 15:24
and posted for Bac...

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Spats McGee
03-31-2011, 16:46
and posted for Bac...

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:rofl::cheers: